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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:17 Thieving Magpie wrote: The only person who knows if the gun was holstered at the time is the defendant and the victim. Some believe it was visible, possibly held. Others don't think so. But we are talking about someone who was trying to become a cop, who took MMA classes, and does his neighborhood watch duty armed. So use your judgement on whether you think a person like that would walk up to his suspect with his gun out or not. The only people who know is Zimmerman and a dead kid--and Zimmerman can't afford to say "yes he had his gun out." If his gun was out before the confrontation took place, it is highly improbable that the gunshot would would have been where it was. A struggle would not have taken place so close to the holster and the gun wouldn't have been fired at such an angle. Not to mention if the gun was drawn before hand, it is highly possible that the gun would have gone off when he first got hit plus Martin would have likely gotten the gun once gaining the upper hand instead of continuing to pound on GZ. This is all of course ignoring the fact that no one with half a brain would assault someone who has them at gunpoint. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:19 Thieving Magpie wrote: Question for you then--if you're personally approaching someone you believed was a criminal; would you reveal your concealed gun in order to keep them honest or hide it in case they.... Why would you keep it hidden actually? Assuming facts as I believe them to be in this case, I would not have put myself in a position where I was able to be approached without appropriate time to react. I would arrange my clothes in such a way that my weapon was still concealed, yet I could easily and quickly access it, in other words, I would unzip my jacket for example. If Zimmerman went down that T a little bit, where it was extremely dark, making him vulnerable, that is where I would diverge from this scenario. I simply, being armed (or otherwise, I supposed) wouldn't have been close enough to any areas where I could be ambushed. If I were approached in a threatening way, I would command the person to 'Stop', identifying myself and if that failed, I would draw. Revealing the weapon without drawing is real life gangsta thug, or TV bullshit. If you display your weapon, you might as well draw it. It's the same usage of force. Having said that, if I had some reason to believe the person was dangerous, which in this case I didn't, I may have the weapon already drawn. However, it's also likely that I would have simply remained in a safe place, if I thought the person was so dangerous to justify pre-emptively drawing a weapon. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:22 Kaitlin wrote: Might we add anyone on the face of the Earth with a modicum of common sense. It's absolutely unreasonable to think that upon having a weapon drawn on you, that it's a good idea to being punching the person who is holding you at gunpoint, for an extended period of time without any effort being made to get that weapon. Common sense should tell even you that it's a ridiculous scenario that the gun was not holstered at the time of the attack. I said holstered, not pointed. Although we also don't know if it was pointed. The only testimonies we have. -Rachael says that Trayvon said "get off" right before the altercation -Good sees Trayvon winning the fight after the start of the altercation Medical evidence only has proof for 1 punch and no proof disproving hypothetical following punches. What evidence suggests is Zimmerman provoked Martin, causing Martin to hit him. This leads to a brawl witnessed by Good--Trayvon is perceived as winning the fight and he is asked to stop; he refuses and continues. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Judge: "Okay, the guy listened to the tape after his deposition. So what?" Prosecutor: "I don't know, I'm making shit up about being prejudiced." Judge: "Shut the fuck up and sit down." | ||
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Microchaton
France342 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:37 xDaunt wrote: Here's a summary of this Richardson hearing about Donnolly: Judge: "Okay, the guy listened to the tape after his deposition. So what?" Prosecutor: "I don't know, I'm making shit up about being prejudiced." Judge: "Shut the fuck up and sit down." haha good summary. Defense making a good point about them not playing it for him back at deposition. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:37 Microchaton wrote: What's happening exactly ? debating whether defense violated discovery rules by not telling prosecutor that witness had heard the tape when he previously stated he did not hear the tape. prosecutor crying over spilt milk. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Haha, O'Mara is trolling the prosecution. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Do we know why Zim followed Martin btw ? Did Martin had a legitimate reason to be here or was he really planning something suspicious ? Did Zim followed him just because he was black ? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote: This is Appollo Justice-esque =) Do we know why Zim followed Martin btw ? Did Martin had a legitimate reason to be here or was he really planning something suspicious ? whether zimmerman followed trayvon is up to debate. zimmerman denies it. trayvon told jeantel he was being followed. trayvon had a legitimate reason to be there. his father's fiancee/girlfriend lives there and trayvon was a guest. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:43 MrCon wrote: This is Appollo Justice-esque =) Do we know why Zim followed Martin btw ? Did Martin had a legitimate reason to be here or was he really planning something suspicious ? Zimmerman's neighbourhood had a lot of robberies lately and he didn't recognize Martin. Martin was visiting his father gf's house as I recall and was getting candy and an arizona. He was walking in the rain and looking at houses according to Zimmerman. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:43 BigFan wrote: Prosecution digging themselves a bigger hole. I can understand where they are coming from but from my perspective, it feels like it's their fault that they didn't ask him if he watched it earlier. They asked him, but at the time of the deposition (two months ago), he had not yet seen the video. They also completely missed asking him about his military history. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:46 woody60707 wrote: Will getting it enter in to court that Martin was high have a big impact? for defense? they could say that he was high in line with what Zimmerman thought and that could've lead him to attack Zimmerman(contributed to the attack). On July 09 2013 05:47 FatChicksUnited wrote: They asked him, but at the time of the deposition (two months ago), he had not yet seen the video. They also completely missed asking him about his military history. yes, sorry, I meant they didn't ask him recently. | ||
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