EPTShooting of Trayvon Martin - Page 302
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xDaunt
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
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BigFan
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sc2superfan101
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On July 09 2013 04:44 Kaitlin wrote: Not specifically from bottom, but from being mounted is the real problem. Submissions are very common from bottom, but from bottom position being mounted, the only thing you do is change position or get pummeled. thats what I meant. the idea that zimmerman would have been able to do that is mindbogglingly uninformed. | ||
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farvacola
United States18865 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:49 Plansix wrote: That doesn't mean anything for the case. Following someone is no a crime, even if the police told him not to. It is also not a good reason for Trayvon to assault Zimmerman. The fact that he followed him does not factor into the case at all. You have to remember that there is an inherent distance between jury instruction and the actual objectivity of the jury. Juries render decisions that seem to balk at what the judge and proceedings have told them fairly frequently, and the implications of following someone can be incredibly subjective. Say, for instance, one of the jurors has experience with a stalker or someone who followed them for a prolonged period. This individual is likely going to be perceive Zimmerman's pursuit as a threat no matter what the judge tells them. Granted, the prosecution needs all 6 jurors, and the contours of the proceedings definitely favor the defense, but that won't stop a competent prosecution from attempting to fudge the lines. | ||
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sc2superfan101
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dAPhREAk
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QQKachoo
United States192 Posts
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:54 sc2superfan101 wrote: This is sad. I feel really bad for this guy, regardless of what happens, he's lost his boy. I can't even imagine. Perhaps if he taught his son to use words instead of fists, he would still be alive today. The parents are as much to blame as the children, if not more so. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:59 Dosey wrote: Perhaps if he taught his son to use words instead of fists, he would still be alive today. The parents are as much to blame as the children, if not more so. What convinced you that TM attacked GZ? | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On July 09 2013 04:59 Dosey wrote: Perhaps if he taught his son to use words instead of fists, he would still be alive today. The parents are as much to blame as the children, if not more so. and sadly, it seems, the takeaway from this trial will be more violence instead of the more favorable result that people should learn to not physically attack people like this. | ||
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BigFan
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
How about Zimmerman's face, combined with Trayvon having gotten out of Zimmerman's sight before Zimmerman even got out of his car. Trayvon had no impediment to getting home, instead the altercation occurred at the T, which is basically where Trayvon went out of Zimmerman's sight. Trayvon decided there was to be an altercation as demonstrated by their relative locations as of the time GZ got out of his car, to when Trayvon died. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
EDIT: Yes, I know this is cross. But still. This is basically his witness. | ||
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sc2superfan101
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On July 09 2013 04:59 Dosey wrote: Perhaps if he taught his son to use words instead of fists, he would still be alive today. The parents are as much to blame as the children, if not more so. Well there is that. Still, losing a kid. Fuck man. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:04 Kaitlin wrote: How about Zimmerman's face, combined with Trayvon having gotten out of Zimmerman's sight before Zimmerman even got out of his car. Trayvon had no impediment to getting home, instead the altercation occurred at the T, which is basically where Trayvon went out of Zimmerman's sight. Trayvon decided there was to be an altercation as demonstrated by their relative locations as of the time GZ got out of his car, to when Trayvon died. Trayvon's gf said that he got tried and stop running. It's possible he started walking to regain his breath and Zimmerman was wandering after the call to see if he can spot him to tell the police what direction he went then they meet so I won't necessarily say that Trayvon's purposely tried to meet him and vice-versa. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
Who is more likely to initiate a confrontation? A short fat man who is physically incompetent tracking someone who he thinks may be dangerous. Or a black youth with a history of violence that believes he is being followed by a creepy ass cracker for no apparent reason. ????? On July 09 2013 05:06 BigFan wrote: Trayvon's gf said that he got tried and stop running. It's possible he started walking to regain his breath and Zimmerman was wandering after the call to see if he can spot him to tell the police what direction he went then they meet so I won't necessarily say that Trayvon's purposely tried to meet him and vice-versa. Yeah, a 5' 11'' 160lb young athletic adult ran out of breath and was chased down and caught by a fat white dude. L O fucking L | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:07 Dosey wrote: Who is more likely to initiate a confrontation? A short fat man who is physically incompetent tracking someone who he thinks may be dangerous. Or a black youth with a history of violence that believes he is being followed by a creepy ass cracker for no apparent reason. ????? that | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On July 09 2013 05:07 Dosey wrote: Who is more likely to initiate a confrontation? A short fat man who is physically incompetent tracking someone who he thinks may be dangerous. Or a black youth with a history of violence that believes he is being followed by a creepy ass cracker for no apparent reason. ????? I'd put my money on the guy who has the gun and thus feels powerful enough to follow what he thinks is right to hold up the law. But in this specific case it is not clear to me, so I was curious what convinced you. Thanks. | ||
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