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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:42 m4inbrain wrote:But they're not consistent with "getting his head smashed into the cement" over and over. I'm not sure that that's the point they're trying to make, but well. I think that's the point the prosecution is trying to make. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:35 m4inbrain wrote: It could be. Also, she's not lying. She's basically doing what all people in this courtroom do. Try to "hide" some facts, or point out others. Again, you oversimplifying the courtroom process. It is not an expert witness' job to hide facts or point out others (I have no law degree or experience but being an expert witness is an important part of my job description). It is their job to answer the questions put to them to the best of their ability, as long as those questions fall within their area of expertise. An expert witness should never have an agenda or bias towards one side or the other, they are there to report facts and their interpretation of what those facts mean, and that's it. If she is trying to steer the testimony in a particular direction, she is being a bad expert witness. If her testimony has any strength to it at all, she shouldn't have to do that. It may be the lawyer's job to try to belittle the importance of certain facts and focus on others, but it's not up to the expert. Just like passing down a verdict on the defendant is not the job of the lawyer. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:41 crms wrote: what's the point though? his injuries are consistent with 1 blow, 2 blows, 3 blows, 10 blows. i imagine the two points the prosecutor wants the jury to take away from this are: 1. the injuries are insignificant (which he will later argue shows no fear of serious bodily harm or death); and 2. the injuries are not consistent with the idea that his head was repeatedly bashed against the concrete as zimmerman alleges. a lot of the things O'Mara is going through appear to be issues that the prosecutor is not trying to use her for (i think). | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:44 ZasZ. wrote: Again, you oversimplifying the courtroom process. It is not an expert witness' job to hide facts or point out others (I have no law degree or experience but being an expert witness is an important part of my job description). It is their job to answer the questions put to them to the best of their ability, as long as those questions fall within their area of expertise. An expert witness should never have an agenda or bias towards one side or the other, they are there to report facts and their interpretation of what those facts mean, and that's it. If she is trying to steer the testimony in a particular direction, she is being a bad expert witness. If her testimony has any strength to it at all, she shouldn't have to do that. It may be the lawyer's job to try to belittle the importance of certain facts and focus on others, but it's not up to the expert. Just like passing down a verdict on the defendant is not the job of the lawyer. No idea what you're trying to argue with me, since you basically said exactly what i did with more words. I never commented on the matter if it's her job. I said she did that, and she clearly still does. And it's not illegal. I never said she's a good or bad witness either. I said she DOES it, like the lawyers, so no idea what your gripe is. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Zenocide
United States92 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:53 plgElwood wrote: This is a minor battle also. It is not about "how much injury is neccessary for murder". Zimmerman statet that he grabbed his gun as treyvon martin saw it and said "you are going to die". Well, that assumes that the jury believes that Treyvon said that. If the DA convinces that jury that the struggle was not a violent as Zimmerman claims, the jury may not believe that part as well. To be clear, I don't think that is a very good plan. But when you only have a bad plan, I guess you go with a bad plan. | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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Budmandude
United States123 Posts
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
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czylu
477 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:59 mastergriggy wrote: Wait...so the data suggests 4 impacts...but only count if an eyewitness sees it? -_- She's saying that the it COULD be 4 impact, but in her professional OPINION it COULD be 1. Essentially she's saying she doesn't know, other then the fact there was at least 1. | ||
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Zenocide
United States92 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
On July 03 2013 04:04 czylu wrote: She's saying that the it COULD be 4 impact, but in her professional OPINION it COULD be 1. Essentially she's saying she doesn't know, other then the fact there was at least 1. Oh okay. I wasn't sure what she meant by that but that makes more sense. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:54 xDaunt wrote: I think it is obvious to everyone that a dead horse is being beaten. I can't imagine that the jury hasn't made up their minds yet on the extent of Zimmerman's injuries and the significance thereof. If he gets convicted, I'm proclaiming you the Fionn of general. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 03 2013 03:59 Budmandude wrote: I need to stop watching this on CNN. They've shown maybe a combined total of 6 minutes of this cross examination with a multi-minute commercial break every couple minutes. Thanks for the play-by-play guys .http://www.wtsp.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2384667563001 no commercials | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
From what I can gather from you guys, an expert testified that based on the information they have, you can't determine whether the injuries where the product of a single blow or a sustained, prolonged attack. Is that correct. | ||
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