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On June 27 2013 06:15 m4inbrain wrote: Argh, how long, what? When does it resume (timeframe, since i'm not used to the US timezone)?
Should resume in around 16 hours.
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On June 27 2013 06:15 m4inbrain wrote: Argh, how long, what? When does it resume (timeframe, since i'm not used to the US timezone)?
edit: do they know that we can hear them, whoever that is? Oo 9 am EDT tomorrow.
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On June 27 2013 06:15 m4inbrain wrote: Argh, how long, what? When does it resume (timeframe, since i'm not used to the US timezone)?
edit: do they know that we can hear them, whoever that is? Oo tomorrow at 9 or 9:30 am EDT
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Can you guys hear the talking in the background of the live stream ? It's off the court, but something like a podium with a blue background.
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On June 27 2013 06:16 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:15 m4inbrain wrote: Argh, how long, what? When does it resume (timeframe, since i'm not used to the US timezone)? Should resume in around 16 hours.
Oh, okay, thought it's just a longer break. Well, guess i can go to sleep then, sadface. Was getting funny.
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to be fair, she lives in miami and forcing her to stay overnight or drive three hours is kind of bullshit.
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On June 27 2013 06:16 Kaitlin wrote: Can you guys hear the talking in the background of the live stream ? It's off the court, but something like a podium with a blue background.
Yeah, they made fun of her ^^
Edit: wait, is/was that the defense talking there on stream?
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On June 27 2013 06:17 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:16 Kaitlin wrote: Can you guys hear the talking in the background of the live stream ? It's off the court, but something like a podium with a blue background. Yeah, they made fun of her ^^ Edit: wait, is that the defense talking there on stream?
Could you make out what they were saying about her? I'm curious.
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This is kinda halrious..... mums the word? wtf?
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Not really, they were making fun of her, something about the lines that she's "quite unusual" if i heard that correctly. Nothing really insulting.
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Miss Utah's got the right idea about creating education better. It's hard to stop and feel sorry for people who grow up into this sort of life, when they are a bit rude and unlovely like this witness, yet I wonder, if I was raised under similar circumstances, how I would fare.
On June 27 2013 06:20 m4inbrain wrote: Not really, they were making fun of her, something about the lines that she's "quite unusual" if i heard that correctly. Nothing really insulting.
I thought I heard a female voice say "delightful," which I guessed was referring to the humor that witness provided.
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On June 27 2013 06:20 Ansinjunger wrote: Miss Utah's got the right idea about creating education better. It's hard to stop and feel sorry for people who grow up into this sort of life, when they are a bit rude and unlovely like this witness, yet I wonder, if I was raised under similar circumstances, how I would fare.
I don't think poor education is an excuse for being rude and abrasive. There's plenty of uneducated people who are very polite. I think this woman is just... rude and abrasive. And she's not even that uneducated. She's a senior in high school, far beyond the education level where you're expected to know basic manners.
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On June 27 2013 06:23 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:20 Ansinjunger wrote: Miss Utah's got the right idea about creating education better. It's hard to stop and feel sorry for people who grow up into this sort of life, when they are a bit rude and unlovely like this witness, yet I wonder, if I was raised under similar circumstances, how I would fare. I don't think poor education is an excuse for being rude and abrasive. There's plenty of uneducated people who are very polite. I think this woman is just... rude and abrasive. And she's not even that uneducated. She's a senior in high school, far beyond the education level where you're expected to know basic manners.
Technically, she'll be beginning her senior year this fall. She's already 19. Yeah, not surprised she can't put the timeline together about why it took Trayvon almost an hour to walk a mile, actually to understand the question in the first place.
I feel for poor and uneducated, but the attitude is just such a turn off, you no longer care to help because, well, they can't be helped with that attitude.
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On June 27 2013 06:23 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:20 Ansinjunger wrote: Miss Utah's got the right idea about creating education better. It's hard to stop and feel sorry for people who grow up into this sort of life, when they are a bit rude and unlovely like this witness, yet I wonder, if I was raised under similar circumstances, how I would fare. I don't think poor education is an excuse for being rude and abrasive. There's plenty of uneducated people who are very polite. I think this woman is just... rude and abrasive. And she's not even that uneducated. She's a senior in high school, far beyond the education level where you're expected to know basic manners.
Yep. And this isn't some sort of situation which suddenly came up to her. The State has probably ran over these scenarios with her already.
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As others are saying on Twitter she just set the prosecution back significantly it seems.
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On June 27 2013 06:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As others are saying on Twitter she just set the prosecution back significantly it seems. I think her testimony is enough for the State to avoid a directed verdict. It doesn't look like she will be of much help when the jury gets the case, though.
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On June 27 2013 06:23 Tewks44 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:20 Ansinjunger wrote: Miss Utah's got the right idea about creating education better. It's hard to stop and feel sorry for people who grow up into this sort of life, when they are a bit rude and unlovely like this witness, yet I wonder, if I was raised under similar circumstances, how I would fare. I don't think poor education is an excuse for being rude and abrasive. There's plenty of uneducated people who are very polite. I think this woman is just... rude and abrasive. And she's not even that uneducated. She's a senior in high school, far beyond the education level where you're expected to know basic manners. she is from Miami too. not exactly a third world country....
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On June 27 2013 06:35 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2013 06:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: As others are saying on Twitter she just set the prosecution back significantly it seems. I think her testimony is enough for the State to avoid a directed verdict. It doesn't look like she will be of much help when the jury gets the case, though.
Does the judge assess credibility or simply if sufficient evidence was presented to sustain the elements ?
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media jumping all over the "creep ass cracker."
Trayvon Martin Described George Zimmerman Following Him in Final Moments
The last person to speak by phone to Trayvon Martin said the teen told her a "creepy-ass cracker" was "watching me," Rachel Jeantel testified today in the Florida trial of George Zimmerman, who's accused of murdering Martin.
Jeantel, who is one of the most crucial witnesses for the prosecution, said Martin was walking back to his father's fiancée's home when he noticed Zimmerman following him. In testimony that was raw, emotional and, at times, incomprehensible, she said the teen was walking home during half-time of the NBA All-Star Game Feb. 26, 2012, when he became unnerved by Zimmerman.
Jeantel, 19, said she told Martin to run but that he responded that he was almost home.
"I say, 'Trayvon,' and then he said, 'Why are you following me for?'" Jeantel testified today. "And then I heard a hard-breathing man come say, 'What you doing around here … and then I was calling, 'Trayvon, Trayvon.' And then I started to hear a little bit of Trayvon saying, 'Get off, get off.'"
After Martin's death, Jeantel said she found out about the incident from a friend's text message and decided not to go to his wake because she didn't want to see his body.
At times during her testimony she dabbed away tears, as did the father of Trayvon Martin.
Jeantel's testimony followed testimony from the first witness in the second-degree murder trial of Zimmerman to say she thought she knew who was screaming for help in the fatal altercation.
Jane Surdyka was in her home on the night Trayvon Martin was shot and killed and said she could hear a "loud, dominant" voice 20 to 30 feet from where she was. She said she opened her window and could "see two people on top of the ground and one on top of the other."
She said she could hear a "boy's voice" crying for help.
Prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda then played Surdyka's emotional 911 call as Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon's mother, and Surdyka dabbed tears from their eyes.
During cross-examination Surdyka described the altercation and cries for help as a life-or-death struggle.
"It was as if nothing else a plea for mercy?" defense attorney Don West asked.
"A plea for someone to save them," Surdyka replied.
Zimmerman, who says he was defending himself, contends he was screaming that night and shot and killed the unarmed teenager after Martin repeatedly banged his head on a concrete sidewalk. Prosecutors say Martin was screaming.
A second neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified that she also heard screams but did not know who was crying for help. But she was the first witness to testify that she saw a man swinging his arms.
"The one on top was moving," Manalo described for the court as she made a punch-like gesture.
But Manalo said she did not know who was punching whom.
The testimony followed a key ruling in the trial by Circuit Judge Debra Nelson to allow jurors to hear several non-emergency calls the former neighborhood watch captain made to police well before the encounter with Martin.
Zimmerman is heard asking during the calls for police to come to his subdivision and check on suspicious strangers, often black. The prosecution argued they should be submitted into evidence because they show his mind-set in the days and months leading up to the shooting.
"The defendant made the calls, he created these tapes, he created these situations. He shouldn't complain," prosecutor Richard Mantei said.
Zimmerman's lead defense attorney said the calls were irrelevant and would confuse jurors, but Nelson overruled his objection today. http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-creepy-ass-cracker-final-moments/story?id=19490796#.UctkC9iDmSo
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