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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP.

If you make an uninformed post, or one that isn't relevant to the discussion, you will be moderated. If in doubt, don't post.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2013 20:57 GMT
#3121
The cross examination is resuming.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 26 2013 20:57 GMT
#3122
On June 27 2013 05:55 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?


Yea the point was that she isn't credible. And frankly the defense has established this already (with her age issues and "not taking it seriously").

Well, you can never crush a witness hard enough, specially not the main witness, unless you in some way makes the jury sympathize with her because of your ownage.
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
June 26 2013 21:00 GMT
#3123
On June 27 2013 05:44 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:42 Emnjay808 wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:39 SKC wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:38 crms wrote:
So now that this lady admitted she didn't take her original interview seriously (the one I'm assuming the prosecution wanted to use) originally wanted Zimmerman to be arrested because she thought it was a "race thing" and only originally agreed to help because of the mother's request is it safe to say this witness completely exploded in the prosecutions face?

How big of a disaster was this witness on a 1-10 scale for the state?

Prosecution didnt prep her.

If they did, they get a big fat F.

I'm sure some people are unprepable.

I would be shocked if the State didn't prep her. Believe me, some witnesses are simply impossible to work with.

Then whose fault is it.

They present her as a witness. And of course they prepped her. Could they not realize that she would crumble like she did today.

Its their fault for going with it anyways.

As I mentioned earlier, they have to put her on because she has their best evidence. She's probably the only one that can rebut Zimmerman's claim of self defense, despite her liabilities. There's no getting around it. So yes, if they are going to try the case, then they have to put her on. The real issue is whether they should have tried this case to begin with as opposed to dropping the charges.


In all seriousness do you honestly think they CAN drop the case without setting loose a huge shitstorm? Obviously I'm European, so I might be mistaken, but so far it seems to me, that no matter how weak their case might be they need this to at least appear in front of judge and jury to make up for the horrendous way the case was handled by the police a year ago.

If the police had investigated properly immediately they might have been able to drop it back then, but the way they refused to investigate anything until the media went berserk if they simply dropped it now (or some months ago, when it was clear this case was/is weak) many people would have screamed about coverups and other stupid stuff.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 21:02:14
June 26 2013 21:00 GMT
#3124
.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 26 2013 21:00 GMT
#3125
On June 27 2013 05:57 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:55 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?


Yea the point was that she isn't credible. And frankly the defense has established this already (with her age issues and "not taking it seriously").

Well, you can never crush a witness hard enough, specially not the main witness, unless you in some way makes the jury sympathize with her because of your ownage.

Yeah, this is exactly right. The Defense still needs to show that she has been changing her story about what happened when she was talking with Trayvon on the phone.
Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
June 26 2013 21:01 GMT
#3126
Wow, what is this?
There are live streams of trials in the US?

This feels like watching Gyakuten Saiban (Phoenix Wright) in real life, without the fancy quirks of course.

Are there dedicated websites / streams for these things or is this an exception?

+ Show Spoiler +
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 26 2013 21:02 GMT
#3127
On June 27 2013 06:00 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:44 xDaunt wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:42 Emnjay808 wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:40 xDaunt wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:39 SKC wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:38 crms wrote:
So now that this lady admitted she didn't take her original interview seriously (the one I'm assuming the prosecution wanted to use) originally wanted Zimmerman to be arrested because she thought it was a "race thing" and only originally agreed to help because of the mother's request is it safe to say this witness completely exploded in the prosecutions face?

How big of a disaster was this witness on a 1-10 scale for the state?

Prosecution didnt prep her.

If they did, they get a big fat F.

I'm sure some people are unprepable.

I would be shocked if the State didn't prep her. Believe me, some witnesses are simply impossible to work with.

Then whose fault is it.

They present her as a witness. And of course they prepped her. Could they not realize that she would crumble like she did today.

Its their fault for going with it anyways.

As I mentioned earlier, they have to put her on because she has their best evidence. She's probably the only one that can rebut Zimmerman's claim of self defense, despite her liabilities. There's no getting around it. So yes, if they are going to try the case, then they have to put her on. The real issue is whether they should have tried this case to begin with as opposed to dropping the charges.


In all seriousness do you honestly think they CAN drop the case without setting loose a huge shitstorm? Obviously I'm European, so I might be mistaken, but so far it seems to me, that no matter how weak their case might be they need this to at least appear in front of judge and jury to make up for the horrendous way the case was handled by the police a year ago.

If the police had investigated properly immediately they might have been able to drop it back then, but the way they refused to investigate anything until the media went berserk if they simply dropped it now (or some months ago, when it was clear this case was/is weak) many people would have screamed about coverups and other stupid stuff.

I have no doubt that political considerations are at play here.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
June 26 2013 21:02 GMT
#3128
Does the link also work on my smartphone? (Samsung)
And if it doesn't, does anyone know another way to watch it from it?
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
June 26 2013 21:03 GMT
#3129
On June 27 2013 06:02 Fildun wrote:
Does the link also work on my smartphone? (Samsung)
And if it doesn't, does anyone know another way to watch it from it?


Depends on the samsung, if you can play flash on it, sure.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#3130
So... she doesn't really know what she said under oath.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
June 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#3131
On June 27 2013 06:03 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 06:02 Fildun wrote:
Does the link also work on my smartphone? (Samsung)
And if it doesn't, does anyone know another way to watch it from it?


Depends on the samsung, if you can play flash on it, sure.

I'm a smartphone n00b, how do I see whether it has flash on it?
I believe it's a galaxy ace, the newest.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
June 26 2013 21:04 GMT
#3132
So this is the witness that was speaking before? I can see why she was being trash-talked so much.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#3133
This impeachment isn't as easy to do as it looks. When you have a witness who is actually stupid it is difficult to move logically from point a to b even if it is obvious to everyone else. He has to get this on the record somehow.
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 21:06:23
June 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#3134
On June 27 2013 06:04 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 06:03 m4inbrain wrote:
On June 27 2013 06:02 Fildun wrote:
Does the link also work on my smartphone? (Samsung)
And if it doesn't, does anyone know another way to watch it from it?


Depends on the samsung, if you can play flash on it, sure.

I'm a smartphone n00b, how do I see whether it has flash on it?
I believe it's a galaxy ace, the newest.


I don't think an ace can play flash without rooting etc.

This impeachment isn't as easy to do as it looks. When you have a witness who is actually stupid it is difficult to move logically from point a to b even if it is obvious to everyone else. He has to get this on the record somehow.


Yeah. It's hard to distinguish between stupidity and lies.
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2520 Posts
June 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#3135
So this trial is on air for about 983 hours?
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
June 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#3136
for the TL lawyers we have in this thread: Have you ever seen a witnesses that is this big of a disaster, and if so how frequent is it?
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#3137
When she gets mad and drops her head, she looks like Jabba the Hutt.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 21:08:23
June 26 2013 21:07 GMT
#3138
Ouch.

So basically, she admitted that the Crumps interview wasn't done "seriously", then she said under oath that what she said during the interview was the facts.

GGWP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Kojak21
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1104 Posts
June 26 2013 21:08 GMT
#3139
damnit i gotta take a dump but i dont wanna miss something!
¯\_(☺)_/¯
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 21:09:23
June 26 2013 21:08 GMT
#3140
On June 27 2013 06:08 Kojak21 wrote:
damnit i gotta take a dump but i dont wanna miss something!

Notebooks man, notebooks are the future.

I seriously doubt I could talk to such a witness with a straight face.
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