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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 20:45 GMT
#3101
Now I think about it, she knows she is messing up.... which is why she appears to be so nervous. The State must have preped her pretty hard.
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m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:46:26
June 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#3102
On June 27 2013 05:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Now I think about it, she knows she is messing up.... which is why she appears to be so nervous. The State must have preped her pretty hard.


To me she appears annoyed actually. From the beginning. Edit: more or less only at the defense though.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 20:46 GMT
#3103
On June 27 2013 05:46 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:45 Sufficiency wrote:
Now I think about it, she knows she is messing up.... which is why she appears to be so nervous. The State must have preped her pretty hard.


To me she appears annoyed actually. From the beginning. Edit: more or less only at the defense though.


I am annoyed just watching her speak.
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
June 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#3104
What's happening now on stream? All I'm getting is a state of California seal.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#3105
On June 27 2013 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:43 jeremycafe wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:41 m4inbrain wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:38 jeremycafe wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:37 m4inbrain wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:36 jeremycafe wrote:
If the judge keeps this up it will be grounds for a mistrial soon. She sustains EVERYTHING the state objects to. But overrules everything from the defense. If they don't let the interview be played to prove lack of credibility this shit is fucked.


Calm down. And try to be a bit more objective, what you describe is not the case.


How is it not the case? They can use prior history for Zimmerman to show character, but they can't with Trayvon. They keep denying all sorts of things for the defense. Even the news organizations are citing the biased actions so far.


It's still no reason to A go sensationalist like a dramawhore over B something that isn't the case. Actually the only time i heard the word "overruled" was by an objection from the prosecution. And that's what you said. And that's what i mean if i say "that what you describe right there is bs".


Then you are simply not watching. They defense is being overruled over and over again. Especially when the state was coaching this witness on her story. He tried 3 times to object to it.


You see, sometimes an objection might get overruled because it's worth overruling it. But feel free to put your tinfoil hat back on, sorry to have bothered you, let's stop.


Tinfoil hat? rofl. You are a dick. Bro.

You are telling me it is ok for an attorney to tell a story and just let the witness say yes yes yes yes yes? No, they have to ask questions. Which he wasn't doing, he was telling a story and letting her go along with it. It would be different if it was stating facts, but he wasn't. He was telling a story of what MIGHT have happened.

But you are right, lets stop. That is twice now you decided to go the internet fuckbag route of talking shit.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
June 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#3106
On June 27 2013 05:41 jeremycafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:39 On_Slaught wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:36 jeremycafe wrote:
If the judge keeps this up it will be grounds for a mistrial soon. She sustains EVERYTHING the state objects to. But overrules everything from the defense. If they don't let the interview be played to prove lack of credibility this shit is fucked.


The defense attorneys simply aren't as good imo. They are a lot sloppier in their routine which results in a lot of objections. They might still win but that's only because they have the facts in their favor.

Also, don't remember there were some HUGE rulings in the pre-trial motions in favor of the defense.


There was one huge ruling, which was throwing out the voice experts. Which is a damn good thing because that faulty tech would have destroyed this case.

The state does the same crap the defense does and gets away with it when the defense objects. She talks to the defense like they are children.


Maybe they rubbed her the wrong way with that horrendous knock-knock joke? All it takes is one major fuck up and the judge becomes an antagonist the rest of trial.
m4inbrain
Profile Joined November 2011
1505 Posts
June 26 2013 20:47 GMT
#3107
On June 27 2013 05:47 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
What's happening now on stream? All I'm getting is a state of California seal.


15 Minute break.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 20:48 GMT
#3108
On June 27 2013 05:47 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
What's happening now on stream? All I'm getting is a state of California seal.


As far as I know, there was an objection by the prosecution and they are speaking off mic about something the defense asked/was going to ask.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
June 26 2013 20:48 GMT
#3109
I'm sorry, I missed the knock-knock joke, what was it?
jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 20:49 GMT
#3110
On June 27 2013 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:47 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
What's happening now on stream? All I'm getting is a state of California seal.


As far as I know, there was an objection by the prosecution and they are speaking off mic about something the defense asked/was going to ask.


They were about to read the interview quotes to prove she changed her story, the state objected and won. So they approached the bench to argue about it. Went on break after.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:55:38
June 26 2013 20:49 GMT
#3111
She did feel annoyed with the defense, personally, but I don't have the knowledge to say if her actions were also biased, I haven't even watched most of the trial. It could just be because the defense does feel a bit amateurish at some points.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 20:50 GMT
#3112
On June 27 2013 05:49 jeremycafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:48 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 27 2013 05:47 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
What's happening now on stream? All I'm getting is a state of California seal.


As far as I know, there was an objection by the prosecution and they are speaking off mic about something the defense asked/was going to ask.


They were about to read the interview quotes to prove she changed her story, the state objected and won. So they approached the bench to argue about it. Went on break after.


thank you
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jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 20:51 GMT
#3113
On June 27 2013 05:49 SKC wrote:
She did feel to be annoyed with the defense, but I don't have the knowledge to say if her actions were also biased, I haven't even watched most of the trial. It could just be because the defense does feel a bit amateurish at some points.


I will agree with that. All of her conversations with the defense she changes her tone compared to talking with the state. It's like they are just a thorn in her side when they speak. Which __in my opinion__ will impact her rulings on objections they make. And __in my opinion__ it has.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
June 26 2013 20:52 GMT
#3114
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-26 20:55:12
June 26 2013 20:53 GMT
#3115
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?

She doesn't have to be under oath. The credibility of someone that tells fake facts about a murder case in national television is seriously lacking.
jeremycafe
Profile Joined March 2009
United States354 Posts
June 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#3116
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?


Because she told a different story then. And she originally stated she only wanted to help because of race. It shows she is willing to lie for the simple purpose of helping martins win.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#3117
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?


Yea the point was that she isn't credible. And frankly the defense has established this already (with her age issues and "not taking it seriously").
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Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
June 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#3118
On June 27 2013 05:52 Kaitlin wrote:
What was the significance of the "Crump interview" ? Was it under oath ? Why was it so important that she now has said she didn't take it seriously ?


for the same reason the defense can bring up the fact she lied about her age even though she wasn't under oath. To have definitive proof of a prosecution witness who has changed stories multiple times is pretty damning
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czylu
Profile Joined June 2012
477 Posts
June 26 2013 20:56 GMT
#3119
On June 27 2013 05:51 jeremycafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2013 05:49 SKC wrote:
She did feel to be annoyed with the defense, but I don't have the knowledge to say if her actions were also biased, I haven't even watched most of the trial. It could just be because the defense does feel a bit amateurish at some points.


I will agree with that. All of her conversations with the defense she changes her tone compared to talking with the state. It's like they are just a thorn in her side when they speak. Which __in my opinion__ will impact her rulings on objections they make. And __in my opinion__ it has.


i don't think any judge wants to be in this situation. This whole murder case has gotten racial and political. If he gets off scott free the prosecutor will need to find a new job, while the judge will never ever get a promotion. Look at that flashy necklace she's wearing. Probably bought by some politician ;D.
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
June 26 2013 20:57 GMT
#3120
Nice I think I just saw Zaqwe sitting behind the defense
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