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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:04 supernovamaniac wrote: Blizzard fucks up Korean SC2 release, foreigners still expect Korea = SC2 after all these screw-ups. In Korea, LoL >= BW >>>>>>>>> SC2. Period. | ||
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Gondlem
Australia642 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:02 tbrown47 wrote: You are dancing around the point. Starcraft is one of the greatest competitive games that has ever existed... but something as simple as droning isn't intuitive... and neither is denying. That is what I am getting at. Something doesn't have to be immediately obvious to be viable. Besides, denying isn't something you HAVE to do in DotA/HoN. It is sort of like the next step up once you have figured out how to not die in your lane. Kinda like 'Okay, I know that now I need to get farm to get items... the next step is to stop the enemy from doing what I am doing!'. It isn't like if you don't deny the "YOU LOSE" screen pops up and you get disconnected. It is another step you can take to becoming a better player. In LoL they take away denying and don't give you any other way of stopping enemy players farming. It just takes something away. It is like me going into SC2 and removing Zergling's Adrenal Glands upgrade. That doesn't give you anything.. all it does is take away from the possibilities. I was not commenting on what is viable. I was saying denying isn't intuitive, which it isn't. Go back and read what I originally quoted. You can control lane in LoL without denying, but it means you gotta man up and know the matchup / have warding. You can zone people out if you know you can take the trades for the better and not get ganked in the process. If we talk purely about lane control, then that's gotta be harder then simply killing your own creep before the enemy has time to. You actually fight the enemy to stop him from killing your creep. Would think it's more viewer friendly too, see the champs duke it out instead of play "who can tag this mob faster". | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
This shouldn't come as a surprise though. Riot is making really good decisions while Blizzard had been too arrogant thinking that they could ride on the success of bw to drive SC2's sales. In the end, they are both casual games that requires less than 1/10th of the skills of BW. Riot is simply better. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I actually always find laning in LoL to be a rather relaxing and easy thing in contrast to when I play HoN/DotA where it is a much more intense and focused effort from me. I definitely would say if they just happened to add denying to LoL, it would make the laning phase more difficult. Regardless of the argument of whether laning in LoL is easier than laning in DotA or not, if it is in fact harder, it isn't because they took out denying. Denying literally doubles the amount of things you have to focus on and opens up a lot more considerations of opportunity cost of each individual action. laning in league of legends is boring since you are almost never under threat from anything other than the jungler. With flash and heal that isnt really an issue unless you are caught out of position. The top tier league of legends players make tons of mistakes and its pretty silly if you compare their decision making to people like GoD or LightofHeaven. +10 kills in 20 minutes is such a joke as a spectator sport | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:01 Wildmoon wrote: This is wrong. Only developer at Blizzard Irvine are the only group who develop Blizzard's games. Blizzard offices all over the world have nothing to do with development. So, Riot can't hire Blizzard's development team from Blizzard Korea. yes, i didnt say they were all working for game development. but other roles are also as important as game developer. On January 11 2012 03:03 Milkis wrote: moba games are ridiculous in korea i also know a few people in riot games in KR and they're pretty big esports people. remember blizzard korea lost a ton of people over the last few years and they all went to riot. Also Milkis is agree with me. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:06 Gondlem wrote: I will never understand how anyone can argue that a competitive game where you play against other players of varying skill levels can be "easy". The difficulty obviously depends 100% on the skill level of the person you're playing against. I've been playing LoL for 6 months or so and I'm way better than people I know who picked it up recently and way worse than people I know who have been playing for a year or more. It's a learning experience just like any other competitive game. I don't play LoL and I don't get it either. If it's so easy just go get the free money. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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tbrown47
United States1235 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:07 daemir wrote: I was not commenting on what is viable. I was saying denying isn't intuitive, which it isn't. Go back and read what I originally quoted. You can control lane in LoL without denying, but it means you gotta man up and know the matchup / have warding. You can zone people out if you know you can take the trades for the better and not get ganked in the process. If we talk purely about lane control, then that's gotta be harder then simply killing your own creep before the enemy has time to. You actually fight the enemy to stop him from killing your creep. Would think it's more viewer friendly too, see the champs duke it out instead of play "who can tag this mob faster". You can do, and do do the same thing in DotA/HoN though. Strong laners can completely zone out heroes and keep complete lane control that way as well. However there is ALSO denying. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:07 rezoacken wrote: Hmmm not criticizing the game per say but I find LoL sooooooo bad on spectator view. D: I play the game too and I have to agree...however, the highlight videos are really badass. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:04 NotSorry wrote: It's unique in the sense that the lack of being able to last hit your own minions while zoning/freezing makes the act of zoning/freeze much different than in other AOS clones. dota: opps I fucked up my freeze and my lane is starting to push, oh I'll just last hit my own minions lol: opps I fucked up my freeze and my lane is starting to push, do I shove the tower? dive? do I have vision wards so I can attempt a freeze further up lane? Again, you're describing considerations that are not unique to LoL - pushing towers, diving, (freeze further up the lane...?) Back to your original point, basically it comes down to DotA being more forgiving to the side with lane control (ability to deny/creep pull to maintain a lead once established - or in fact be used even if not in the lead) while LoL is more forgiving to the side without lane control because if the other team derps and pushes the lane, they can just call back to the tower and most likely last hit perfectly fine under the safety of the tower god without losing anything for having lost lane control. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
Edit: 'No merit as a competitive game' is unfair, but there's nothing entertaining about watching it. | ||
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KimJongIlJr
Korea (North)61 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:06 Gondlem wrote: I will never understand how anyone can argue that a competitive game where you play against other players of varying skill levels can be "easy". The difficulty obviously depends 100% on the skill level of the person you're playing against. I've been playing LoL for 6 months or so and I'm way better than people I know who picked it up recently and way worse than people I know who have been playing for a year or more. It's a learning experience just like any other competitive game. Pretty sure there's an implied "relatively" before the "easy". | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:15 KimJongIlJr wrote: Actiblizzard deserves every bit of this. Actually, This doesn't hurt Blizzard at all. | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
You can do, and do do the same thing in DotA/HoN though. Strong laners can completely zone out heroes and keep complete lane control that way as well. However there is ALSO denying. There is more mechanic to worry about for sure. But you're still competing against another human on the other side. WIth or without denying, some people are better than others. If you're playing the game competitively then nothing comes as "too easy". If it's the lack of mechanic you're complaining about then the same can be said of SC2 when compared to BW. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:14 sevia wrote: I don't understand how League gets so many viewers. I've played hundreds of games of it, but it's just not fun to watch, at all. It's more likely that the huge numbers come from the sheer volume of players rather than having any merit as a competitive game. 1. LoL has more fanbase 2. Tournament often creates new META, new OP heros... 3. Riot is promoting their tournament in their website and even in their client. the viewership would be HUGE even 1% of the ppl clicks on it. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 15 2012 00:16 AsianEcksDragon wrote: There is more mechanic to worry about for sure. But you're still competing against another human on the other side. WIth or without denying, some people are better than others. If you're playing the game competitively then nothing comes as "too easy". If it's the lack of mechanic you're complaining about then the same can be said of SC2 when compared to BW. Regardless of where you stand on BW vs SC2, denying is not comparable to MBS/automining/255 unit select. | ||
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