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On May 24 2018 05:24 Plansix wrote:
It is like the perfect gun law for these personal responsibility folks. The potential gun owner has to do all their own legwork, obtain their documents and then apply for a license. They can draft up their own contract for sale and are required to keep their own records, while also reporting them to the government within a reasonable period of time. I fully support these exact laws in the US. We should be just like Switzerland.

On May 24 2018 05:36 WolfintheSheep wrote:
And Canadian gun laws are like exactly the kind of restrictions that gun nuts in the US are fighting right now. We have bans on model and make, magazine sizes, modifications...

On May 24 2018 07:58 superstartran wrote:




I hope you realize that Switzerland also allows the sale of fully automatic weapons, something that most of you would be heavily staunchly against.


There's a few loopholes you'd have to jump through as for 'ordinary' use you can't, but it's not impossible. Exemptions are found under article 28b, where if you roughly translate it states that if you meet special criteria for a permit you can own one.

On May 24 2018 08:09 Plansix wrote:

I would appreciate it if you refrained from telling me what my opinions are. Thanks in advance.

And again, bring on Switzerland’s gun laws. They are what the US needs.

Generally prohibited arms are:

Automatic firearms such as machine guns, etc.
Automatic knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Butterfly knives when the blade more than 5 cm and total length of more than 12 cm
Throwing knives; regardless of the shape and size
Symmetrical daggers where blade length is less than 30 cm
Brass knuckles
Shock rods or stun guns
Throwing Stars
Buttstock-equipped slingshots German: Schleudern mit Armstütze
Tasers
Hidden firearms that imitate an object of utility, such as shooting phones

Verboten sind die Übertragung, der Erwerb, das Vermitteln an Empfänger und Empfängerinnen im Inland sowie das Verbringen in das schweizerische Staatsgebiet von:

a.
Seriefeuerwaffen und zu halbautomatischen Feuerwaffen umgebauten Seriefeuerwaffen sowie ihren wesentlichen und besonders konstruierten Bestandteilen;

On May 24 2018 08:13 Simberto wrote:
From the Wiki i just linked:



So no automatic firearms, sorry.

I am not that good at legalese, but 28b seems to talk about exceptions which are in some point in the law more exactly defined, and seem to mostly talk about sports shooting as a reason for some exceptions. I am not a swiss lawyer, so i can't exactly say what those exceptions are exceptions from, but they are very clearly not exceptions from the whole of the law.

On May 24 2018 08:12 superstartran wrote:



So you are ok with the sale of fully automatic machine guns to the general public if they qualified to get one?


I hope you realize that the vast majority of mass shooters

1) Have no criminal history
2) Have no mental health issue history
3) Predominantly male


Under Switzerland law they'd easily pass to get what they want if they wanted to commit a mass murder regardless of what laws you put into place.

On May 24 2018 08:21 Simberto wrote:
I am reading the german version.

Apparently there may be exceptions for specific types of people, who need the guns for their job, for industrial reasons, to compensate for disability or as collectors. The 2nd and third obviously don't apply, but maybe someone who proves that they are a collector can collect automatic rifles. I am uncertain there. He would not be allowed to carry these guns though. It might also be the case that you saw "automatic rifles used in the swiss military converted to semiautomatic fire", which seem to hold some special status in the law.

On May 24 2018 08:19 Plansix wrote:

Bring on the Swiss gun laws. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. Mass shooters represent a fraction of gun related injuries or deaths. Other laws, police action and empowering the courts to temporally seize fire arms from a risk individuals can handle that issue. Bring on the Swiss gun laws nation wide. Fully automatic weapons for those who qualify.

On May 24 2018 08:28 Simberto wrote:
Well, i assume that it is not very easy to get that permit. Afaik you can also technically get a collectors permitto buy an automatical weapon in Germany. But it is really hard, and the process basically disqualifies any potential shooters, because you need a shitload of permissions from a shitload of institutions, and you need to prove to each of them that you need that weapon for your specific collection. If the swiss situation is similar (I don't know), then yes, you can technically under very specific circumstances buy such a gun, but in practice you can't.

On May 24 2018 08:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
As this thread goes on and on, it becomes more and more apparent that despite his confisdence supertranstan does not know what are in Switzerland's gun laws.

On May 24 2018 07:58 superstartran wrote:

Which most states already have regulations on, only in the most laxed states do you just get a free for all get to buy whatever you want.

On May 24 2018 08:59 WolfintheSheep wrote:

I'd love to see you try comparing the two countries on a factual basis.

For example, magazine sizes are are limited on a federal level in Canada. In the US, it's barely a handful of states and/or counties.

Concealed carry is illegal in Canada, and open carry of almost every gun (except non-restricted rifles and shotguns) requires either occupational or life-endangering need. Several US states have concealed carry permits, and the majority license open carry without explicit need.