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On February 22 2012 14:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


And... we... have... liftoff Godwin!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

The Holocaust analogy needs elaboration if it's to be taken seriously in this thread on owning guns, carrying guns, using guns safely, and other gunny gunny gun things.

Unless, of course, you'd like to ban all people from having brown hair or being German or having moustaches, because those things are remotely related to Hitler as well.

On February 22 2012 15:09 Poffel wrote:

Well, what's to elaborate? He just stated that, due to their history, Germans should be cautious when it comes to trusting their (or any) government. I don't see why that is so far off, as it's pretty much something that every German I know would agree to.

The bullshit argument is that he thinks that the only viable precautionary measure is to arm everyone so that citizens would be able to fight back the army. For example, Germany handled it a bit differently and instead introduced obligatory military service for everybody so that the army would consist of citizens to prevent it turning on them.

On February 22 2012 15:50 dogabutila wrote:
How exactly would they do it without guns? Well okay, that's not a good question. The real question is what are the odds of success without guns? All of those revolutions that just happened recently? Guns in all of them.

On February 22 2012 15:18 peppilepew wrote:
the fact that u can shoot someone in self defence wen they break into your home and yet your the one that gets prosecuted makes me ask why even bother have 1?

On February 22 2012 15:48 ControlMonkey wrote:


So Germans mistrust their government, which is why government expenditure as a % of GDP is approx 43%.

Anyway, I guess i'm annoyed at the simple assertion that an armed population prevents tyranny. Seems kinda illogical to me. If people want to rise against their government, they are going to do it with or without guns.

On February 22 2012 13:20 Millitron wrote:
Prescription drugs can indeed kill, but they have actual, scientifically-supported health benefits when used properly. Alcohol may have some, but there are just a few studies that say this. No real mechanistic explanation yet.

On February 22 2012 13:20 Millitron wrote:
Changing people's behavior/inhibitions is just a different way to say that alcohol is entertaining. It's effectiveness is subjective, just like all entertainment.
... it doesn't seem right to me to use alcohol for fun, considering the dangerous effects it can have on the human mind.

On February 22 2012 13:20 Millitron wrote:
Like I said, this is a cultural difference. You do not see the value in guns because you did not grow up in a community in which they were valued. You do see the value in alcohol because you did grow up in a community that valued it.

Well, we do see the value in guns because we grew up in communities which valued them.

If you don't want guns, fine. If you and your countrymen don't want guns, fine. But don't act like that's what's best for everyone.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:
While we are banning dangerous things, lets also ban cars. They are clearly designed to kill people. Lets ban skyscrapers(so people don't jump offf), busses(so depressed people don't step in front of them), motorcycles, alcohol, ciggarettes, McDonalds, bungee jumping, helicopters, knives, and swimming.

I am a law obiding citizen and I carry a gun everywhere I go. The ignorance in this thread amazes me.

What will YOU do when you see a child is being kidnapped at the mall? Take action? Or wait 15 minutes for the police, then watch him on the news (face down in a pond and sodomized.)

What will YOU do when a criminal breaks into your home, ready to kill your and your wife and children.

What will YOU do when you are out driving your family, a criminal sticks and gun in your face to kill all of you and take your car.

What will YOU do when you are a sitting duck in a college classroom, and a criminal walks in and starts murdering your classmates one at a time.

These are the realities that Americans deal with daily. Your Starcraft will not matter when you are placed in this situation. You DO NOT have to become a victim. You have a human right to protect yourself.

In my state I can legally(and yes morally) use deadly force to prevent murder, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping, and a burglary in my home at night(for the Aussie above yes the correct response is to protect your family from being killed).

There are "Free Fire Zones" all over the US showing us why GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. The law obiding citizen such as myself, is DISARMED by a ignorant politician in these zones. The criminals don't care what the law says, and they are ARMED. Keep reading and see how that works.

Here is a list of a few free fire zones.
September 11, 2001, thousands of innocent American citizens were brutally murdered by terrorists because pilots were not permitted to carry firearms in the cockpit.

Fort Hood Massacre, 13 murdered and 29 wounded because soldiers were not armed on base.

Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 people murdered and 16 others wounded because students and faculty with concealed carry permits were disarmed on university property by the state of Virginia. Virginia Tech students to this day cannot legally protect themselves.

Columbine High School Massacre, 12 students and 1 teacher murdered, 21 other students wounded, because faculty with concealed carry permits were not allowed to carry their concealed handguns on campus.

Killeen Texas Luby's Massacre, a woman watched her parents get murdered by a gunman. She was legally required to keep her gun in her car. She has testified across the country that her parents and 23 others were murdered in that Luby's because the government disarmed her.

When your gun rights are taken away, so many other freedoms will be lost with them. We have seen this countless times throughout history. I suggest each of you join the NRA. The are the foremost organization fighting for your freedom. They have had great success fighting ignorant gun control laws in the US. Gun control has never worked, and it never will.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:
While we are banning dangerous things, lets also ban cars. They are clearly designed to kill people. Lets ban skyscrapers(so people don't jump offf), busses(so depressed people don't step in front of them), motorcycles, alcohol, ciggarettes, McDonalds, bungee jumping, helicopters, knives, and swimming.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:
I am a law obiding citizen and I carry a gun everywhere I go. The ignorance in this thread amazes me.

What will YOU do when you see a child is being kidnapped at the mall? Take action? Or wait 15 minutes for the police, then watch him on the news (face down in a pond and sodomized.)

What will YOU do when a criminal breaks into your home, ready to kill your and your wife and children.

What will YOU do when you are out driving your family, a criminal sticks and gun in your face to kill all of you and take your car.

What will YOU do when you are a sitting duck in a college classroom, and a criminal walks in and starts murdering your classmates one at a time.

These are the realities that Americans deal with daily. Your Starcraft will not matter when you are placed in this situation. You DO NOT have to become a victim. You have a human right to protect yourself.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:
In my state I can legally(and yes morally) use deadly force to prevent murder, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping, and a burglary in my home at night(for the Aussie above yes the correct response is to protect your family from being killed).

There are "Free Fire Zones" all over the US showing us why GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. The law obiding citizen such as myself, is DISARMED by a ignorant politician in these zones. The criminals don't care what the law says, and they are ARMED. Keep reading and see how that works.

Here is a list of a few free fire zones.
September 11, 2001, thousands of innocent American citizens were brutally murdered by terrorists because pilots were not permitted to carry firearms in the cockpit.

Fort Hood Massacre, 13 murdered and 29 wounded because soldiers were not armed on base.

Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 people murdered and 16 others wounded because students and faculty with concealed carry permits were disarmed on university property by the state of Virginia. Virginia Tech students to this day cannot legally protect themselves.

Columbine High School Massacre, 12 students and 1 teacher murdered, 21 other students wounded, because faculty with concealed carry permits were not allowed to carry their concealed handguns on campus.

Killeen Texas Luby's Massacre, a woman watched her parents get murdered by a gunman. She was legally required to keep her gun in her car. She has testified across the country that her parents and 23 others were murdered in that Luby's because the government disarmed her.

When your gun rights are taken away, so many other freedoms will be lost with them. We have seen this countless times throughout history. I suggest each of you join the NRA. The are the foremost organization fighting for your freedom. They have had great success fighting ignorant gun control laws in the US. Gun control has never worked, and it never will.

On February 22 2012 17:41 MilesTeg wrote:



It's not as simple as that. You let guns proliferate everywhere and it's not just the occasional nutter anymore. Any conflict, however minor, is now much more likely to become deadly.

I'm not saying that they should be banned. Just that IMO scared jumpy people like you are wrong and are a danger to society.

On February 22 2012 17:45 taitanik wrote:
if 3 teenagers jump on you with baseball bats ofcourse you want to have a gun and a lot of teenagers have nothing better to do these days than beating people up

On February 22 2012 17:49 Poffel wrote:

Not really. A car that kills people is a badly designed car. A gun that kills people is a well designed gun. Applies to everything else in your list as well.

I completely agree with you. If I lived in an urban combat zone, I'd want a gun, too. However, as far as my daily life is concerned, that's luckily not the case, and I'd argue that anybody who really lives in constant fear of getting raped, killed, and raped again by their neighbours might not actually be representative for a large body of the people owning a gun. So as far as I'm concerned, those aren't examples but freak cases.

Even if I were to follow your logic that a gun would have been useful to prevent those crimes, they are certainly not the only solution to these problems. I'll just refer to three of your examples: The 9/11 hijacks could also have been prevented if there wasn't a door to the cockpit. That's how Israeli airplanes are designed. Bonus: "no doors" are very rarely used to kill people. Nobody here is arguing against soldiers and policemen having guns; although they are indeed a subset of "people", I think the thread is about private gun ownership. Regarding the school shootings, your example is even stranger, since those shootings are usually used as cases against the easiness to aquire guns in the US because the perpetrators were armed children.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:
While we are banning dangerous things, lets also ban cars. They are clearly designed to kill people. Lets ban skyscrapers(so people don't jump offf), busses(so depressed people don't step in front of them), motorcycles, alcohol, ciggarettes, McDonalds, bungee jumping, helicopters, knives, and swimming.

I am a law obiding citizen and I carry a gun everywhere I go. The ignorance in this thread amazes me.

What will YOU do when you see a child is being kidnapped at the mall? Take action? Or wait 15 minutes for the police, then watch him on the news (face down in a pond and sodomized.)

What will YOU do when a criminal breaks into your home, ready to kill your and your wife and children.

What will YOU do when you are out driving your family, a criminal sticks and gun in your face to kill all of you and take your car.

What will YOU do when you are a sitting duck in a college classroom, and a criminal walks in and starts murdering your classmates one at a time.

These are the realities that Americans deal with daily. Your Starcraft will not matter when you are placed in this situation. You DO NOT have to become a victim. You have a human right to protect yourself.

In my state I can legally(and yes morally) use deadly force to prevent murder, aggravated sexual assault, kidnapping, and a burglary in my home at night(for the Aussie above yes the correct response is to protect your family from being killed).

There are "Free Fire Zones" all over the US showing us why GUN CONTROL DOES NOT WORK. The law obiding citizen such as myself, is DISARMED by a ignorant politician in these zones. The criminals don't care what the law says, and they are ARMED. Keep reading and see how that works.

Here is a list of a few free fire zones.
September 11, 2001, thousands of innocent American citizens were brutally murdered by terrorists because pilots were not permitted to carry firearms in the cockpit.

Fort Hood Massacre, 13 murdered and 29 wounded because soldiers were not armed on base.

Virginia Tech Massacre, 32 people murdered and 16 others wounded because students and faculty with concealed carry permits were disarmed on university property by the state of Virginia. Virginia Tech students to this day cannot legally protect themselves.

Columbine High School Massacre, 12 students and 1 teacher murdered, 21 other students wounded, because faculty with concealed carry permits were not allowed to carry their concealed handguns on campus.

Killeen Texas Luby's Massacre, a woman watched her parents get murdered by a gunman. She was legally required to keep her gun in her car. She has testified across the country that her parents and 23 others were murdered in that Luby's because the government disarmed her.

When your gun rights are taken away, so many other freedoms will be lost with them. We have seen this countless times throughout history. I suggest each of you join the NRA. The are the foremost organization fighting for your freedom. They have had great success fighting ignorant gun control laws in the US. Gun control has never worked, and it never will.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote:These are the realities that Americans deal with daily.

On February 22 2012 17:14 Xglutlewl wrote: a child is being kidnapped at the mall
a criminal breaks into your home, ready to kill your and your wife and children.
driving your family, a criminal sticks and gun in your face to kill all of you and take your car.
a sitting duck in a college classroom, and a criminal walks in and starts murdering your classmates one at a time.