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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On February 20 2012 03:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Furthermore, criminals have easy access to illegally obtained weaponry these days. There are so many guns on the black market these days, guns that are easily acquired by the type of men who want to do evil things to their fellow man. Of course its easy in a country were everybody carrys a gun. You would be suprised how hard it is to get a gun in most european countrys. The thing i dont get: Why do people want to have guns in the first place. Why are people in some country so frightened? Is there actually more crime? Or is it the media? Or some cultural thing? I never in my life felt the need to protect myself with a gun. why do other people? | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
But, if you think about it back in the 'Wild West' how many actual murders and criminals did you have when everyone carried a gun? Crime rate was lower than it is now due to the thread of being shot. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:02 Yongwang wrote: Interesting site here showing statistics of how gun laws actually increase crime, and how less or even no gun laws decrease crime: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp nice reliable website. | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:00 Flamingo777 wrote: Gun control is supposed to make it harder (by means of being expensive, etc) for those who want to "use it for a murder or something" to acquire guns in the first place, regardless of who is purchasing. Unfortunately, gun control affects everyone who wants a gun equally. I know all I want to do with a pistol is shoot holes into a piece of cardboard, but I need to jump through all the hoops that the person who wants to shoot holes into the person next door would. | ||
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forgottendreams
United States1771 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:02 Yongwang wrote: Interesting site here showing statistics of how gun laws actually increase crime, and how less or even no gun laws decrease crime: http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp Why do you keep posting this? Nowhere on that site does it proclaim your statement as a general rule, in fact many of the cherry picked cities and states for demonstration show a downward trend in crime well before the right to carry was instituted. | ||
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:05 OrchidThief wrote: That people that make a sport out of playing with instruments that has but one purpose -- killing should find themselves a different hobby, one not quite as, ehh, morally corrupt. Guns are tools, just like anything else, they have several purposes and there's nothing wrong with having a gun-related hobby. So you want to force people who you feel are "morally corrupt," to live their lives how you want them to? Sounds a lot like those religious nutjobs who hates homosexuality and even Hitler. | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:07 NekoFlandre wrote: Honestly. Yes people should be allowed to carry weapons on them. Although I could see some rather big issues. But, if you think about it back in the 'Wild West' how many actual murders and criminals did you have when everyone carried a gun? Crime rate was lower than it is now due to the thread of being shot. Non topic related: Do you have a source for this? Seems kinda hard to belive. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:05 Yongwang wrote: So wait are you saying it's not okay to shoot some strange man who breaks into your house in the middle of the night? Okay next time a murderer, rapist, or burglar breaks into your house and threatens your family, why don't you go make him some tea and crumpets, and hope he doesn't do anything bad. Meanwhile I'm going to defend myself, my family, and my property. That is exactly what I am saying. People shouldn't get killed for crawling through a window. I'd have hoped that much would be obvious to anyone. Apparently not  | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:07 NekoFlandre wrote: But, if you think about it back in the 'Wild West' how many actual murders and criminals did you have when everyone carried a gun? Crime rate was lower than it is now due to the thread of being shot. So you would like to live in a society where the only (or most significant) deterrent for crime was fear of being shot, or one where everyone around you has the ability and very efficient tools to end your life by a motion of a hand/finger? I'd personally run from that place like there's no tomorrow (because there very well might not be). | ||
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:05 Trollk wrote: If someone breaks into his house, a dog has more effect in preventing burglary and is equally as effective as a gun in defending my home. If you are walking down the street and you are being threated by a mugger, you have a pretty high chance that the mugger has a gun too. If he does, then you would have to be a trained gunuser, who practises regularly in shooting and pulling a gun in order to have a respectable chance of winning the standoff against that mugger. It would be convenient just to hand over your wallet. It might seem 'cowardly' or 'chickenish' but dead heros don't live. That's not true at all. I don't have a link at this time, but a few years ago there was something on the news where reporters asked a bunch of convicted burglars what they feared. They pretty much all said that what they were afraid of the most was gun owning civilians. They said that they weren't afraid of the police, dogs, or security systems. Also a dog can be killed or even bypassed with ease. YOU and the government can't make the choice for the victim of the mugging though. If I feel as though I can put a hole in the mugger, then I'll do that. If I feel as though he has the upper hand, I'll give him my wallet. That's my choice to make, NOT yours and certainly NOT Obama's. Okay so what if it's a rapist or a serial killer? What if he wants more than just your wallet? What if he wants your life? | ||
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DOUDOU
Wales2940 Posts
On February 20 2012 03:55 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: our single greatest talent and driving force for invention and progress is, and always will be, death. how do you guys wants to get taken seriously after writing this? it's like you want everyone in the world to think that every american is a gun nutjob On February 20 2012 03:53 Yongwang wrote: Why wouldn't a guy living in Manhattan not need a gun? What if someone breaks into his house? What if he's walking down the street and a gang banger or mugger starts threatening him? happened to me again tuesday night far west fantasy again "i leave in the fear of everyone, so i want to be prepared to every single shit that might happen" you got life wrong On February 20 2012 03:28 Yongwang wrote: More guns = Less crime AND more open government AND more freedom Less guns = More crime AND more authoritarian government AND less freedom more guns = less crime: wooh, probably should back your sayings with something dude, in my records, USA is proving this wrong Less guns = More crime: ...yeah, sure...still, i think not letting any crazy nutjob getting his hand on something designed to kill might help reducing crimes Less guns = less freedom: oh please, didn't you forbid your kids to run with scissors? well americans are the kids, scissors are weapons, and europeans are your wise parents On February 20 2012 04:12 Yongwang wrote: That's not true at all. I don't have a link at this time, but a few years ago there was something on the news where reporters asked a bunch of convicted burglars what they feared. They pretty much all said that what they were afraid of the most was gun owning civilians. yes, you are right, burglars are more scared of gun nutjobs than dogs, and so am i thing is, in europe, we also have burglars, you know, but few of them really carry firearms, because they know they have fewer chances the house they break into is guarded with someone with a gun in the first place that's why there's just less people killed by firearms here and for the record, burglars usually are just afraid of people/being noticed, and target empty houses when a burglar entered my house (years ago), i was there (2nd floor), at first i thought it was my brother coming back home from party at 4am, but the guy just was yelling in the house asking if anybody was home he ran away when he heard me walking down the stairs he had a gigantic crowbar (used it to open the door), could have crushed my head, he just ran away | ||
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:05 OrchidThief wrote: That people that make a sport out of playing with instruments that has but one purpose -- killing should find themselves a different hobby, one not quite as, ehh, morally corrupt. What about Archery/Crossbows, and people who practice Shinkendo (the art of Samurai swordsmanship) and Tameshigiri (cutting with real Katanas, usually throw straw mats). Calling a person interested in shooting a bow and arrow (it was used to kill in wars in times past) for target practice, competition (Olympics) is "morally corrupt?" | ||
JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:12 Yongwang wrote: Okay so what if it's a rapist or a serial killer? What if he wants more than just your wallet? What if he wants your life? What if he has a GUN on top of that? That would certainly make things a lot more scary than his intentions alone. | ||
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:14 Talin wrote: What if he has a GUN on top of that? That would certainly make things a lot more scary than his intentions alone. What if he does? What if he has a knife? What if he has a hand grenade? It doesn't matter what he is using, what matters is the scenario. | ||
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sirachman
United States270 Posts
Also, police do not prevent crime, they deal with the aftermath. The only thing that prevents crime is you. The only way you can prevent violent crime is being able to defend yourself. The only way you can protect yourself and others against assailants with guns is having your own. You cannot prevent criminals from obtaining guns, only law abiding citizens. | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:08 Yongwang wrote: Guns are tools, just like anything else, they have several purposes and there's nothing wrong with having a gun-related hobby. So you want to force people who you feel are "morally corrupt," to live their lives how you want them to? Sounds a lot like those religious nutjobs who hates homosexuality and even Hitler. No I want people to not have stupid hobbies. If someone's hobby was to drive through kindergartens at 150km /hour I'd have a problem with that, or if their hobby was making dynamite. Gun related hobbies, to me, are literally "in the case that I had to kill another living being, let's try and measure how good I'd be at it". On February 20 2012 04:13 echO [W] wrote: What about Archery/Crossbows, and people who practice Shinkendo (the art of Samurai swordsmanship) and Tameshigiri (cutting with real Katanas, usually throw straw mats). Calling a person interested in shooting a bow and arrow (it was used to kill in wars in times past) for target practice, competition (Olympics) is "morally corrupt?" Hey, it's not black and white, I'm not trying to argue that it is. But the destructive ability of gunpowder weapons is just a billion grades above archery or crossbows. They are sports per nostalgia so to speak, rather than cutting edge technology. They aren't "tools for killing" anymore as much as they are "historical artifacts". Though honestly, I'm not big on those being sports either. | ||
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Yongwang
United States196 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:16 sirachman wrote: If you don't have weapons and the government does, you have a problem. Also, police do not prevent crime, they deal with the aftermath. The only thing that prevents crime is you. The only way you can prevent violent crime is being able to defend yourself. The only way you can protect yourself and others against assailants with guns is having your own. You cannot prevent criminals from obtaining guns, only law abiding citizens. This times one thousand. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On February 20 2012 04:14 Talin wrote: What if he has a GUN on top of that? That would certainly make things a lot more scary than his intentions alone. Man have you not seen ANY action movies?! You just do a barrel roll then jump throught he air while firing your double uzis. Now the bad guys will have guns as well, but they are alwasy courtous enough to never hit anything (or at most a should or a leg.) | ||
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