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Although this thread does not function under the same strict guidelines as the USPMT, it is still a general practice on TL to provide a source with an explanation on why it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion. Failure to do so will result in a mod action.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany10382 Posts
May 29 2022 14:28 GMT
#17781
On May 28 2022 16:16 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2022 16:03 Zambrah wrote:
Regardless, with cops it's always going to be a hate/love relationship no matter the country. You'll love them when you need them while in danger but much of the time they're looking at ways to fine people, ways defined by the legislative body. I'll still take that over vigilantes.


I think this incident proves that isnt necessarily correct at all.


Then pretend that they didn't show up at all?

Also worth noting that the relatives of the shooter and the lack of social support and mental care contributed more to the primary outcome while the entire focus lies on the first responders. Prevention is a thing.


Sure, general healthcare and less exploitative policies in general would also help to reduce crimes like these.

Sadly, one party in the US is against gun control, against general healthcare and for more exploitative policies against anyone. That same party is also of the opinion that the police can do no wrong.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland10673 Posts
May 29 2022 14:42 GMT
#17782
Saw someone on Twitter say that republicans are the shooter and democrats are the cops who decide not to stop him. I like that, gonna use it again.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6634 Posts
May 29 2022 15:04 GMT
#17783
I also like that and will steal it for future use, feels very apt for the country at large.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada19924 Posts
May 30 2022 13:23 GMT
#17784
Long time Republican and at one time Trump supporter Jon Voight is calling for gun control. Maybe some minds were changed?

“It’s not about left, right, guns, no guns. This is about brains that are dysfunctioning. This is mental,” he said. “This is not about healthy human beings serving the country with arms to bear or even the right of this constitution for bearing arms … We must identify every individual for their credentials, for their mental capacity to bear arms."

He continued, "There should be proper qualifications for gun ownership and proper testing. One should only own a gun if they’re qualified and schooled … May god watch over all and bring comfort for this loss which may never heal, for each child was so precious a gift.


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/jon-voight-uvalde-gun-control-171120067.html
Emnjay #1 in the worldo
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany824 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-01 08:39:02
June 01 2022 04:22 GMT
#17785
What a shitshow the police response was. The information that gets out also keeps changing. Smells like a cover up of extreme incompetence and cowardice.

The teacher who was basically blamed for everything because he had pried the backdoor open had already closed it when the gunman arrived. How did he enter then? They won't tell.

The 19 cops in the hallway were fully geared to storm the room. Why didn't they? Dispatch informed them about incoming 911 calls coming out of the room!

The shooter was eventually shot by a federal agent. Why was Uvalde police even there? The only thing they achieved is giving the shooter more time to kill. (E: That was a dumb thing to say. They contained the shooter. But evidence points at them being aware that there still were victims in the room.)

"...first priority is to move in and confront the attacker. A first responder unwiling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field." -Active shooter response for school based law enforcement by the Texas comission on law enforcement.

Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland10673 Posts
June 01 2022 08:21 GMT
#17786
There's also this



It feels like we don't know everything yet. But I'm seeing a lot of speculations on my feed that they might be covering something extreme like killing a kid by accident; at this point that still seems far-fetched. It feels like we'd have to have evidence of that by now, most likely.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10242 Posts
June 01 2022 10:41 GMT
#17787
So you've seen random people going full conspiracy and decided to share it despite knowing that there is no evidence for it?

May I ask... Why?
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland10673 Posts
June 01 2022 11:01 GMT
#17788
Because it's in a bunch of the answers to the news tweet I quoted
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway7129 Posts
June 02 2022 07:59 GMT
#17789
https://ktul.com/news/local/tpd-responds-to-active-shooter-at-warren-clinic

Happened a few hours ago. 5 dead including the shooter at a medical building in Oklahoma. Police are keeping a tight lid, so we don't really know a whole lot about motivations, other than it wasn't random.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1386 Posts
June 02 2022 08:17 GMT
#17790
214th mass shooting of the year? Go murica.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6634 Posts
June 02 2022 10:42 GMT
#17791
I think theres been shootings in Louisiana, Ohio, and Oklahoma that I've seen since Uvalde, probably way more since Im not actively keeping track.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland16084 Posts
June 02 2022 13:14 GMT
#17792
On June 02 2022 17:17 Starlightsun wrote:
214th mass shooting of the year? Go murica.


On average in US you have more than 360 shootings each year in which at least 4 people are killed or injured.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States40898 Posts
June 06 2022 19:04 GMT
#17793
The most recent LWT is on America's school shootings, and John Oliver walks through tons of points and counterpoints surrounding guns, cops, and school resource officers, so I think it's incredibly relevant to this thread:

"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland10673 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-19 15:41:04
June 19 2022 15:40 GMT
#17794
Little update on the Uvalde cops, in the past few days they've been trying not to release their records of the shooting to the public. It's not entirely clear what they're trying to hide but reporting just broke that they didn't even try to open the door to the classroom in which the shooter was. The initial explanation after the shooting was first that the police locked him in the room to contain him, then that he locked himself in the room and they couldn't enter. If this reporting is true it wasn't even possible for the shooter to lock himself in the classroom

Tl;dr ACAB
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States395 Posts
June 19 2022 16:06 GMT
#17795
Cue that meme of the guy on his knees protecting the sleeping kid, except the guy is kindergartners and the sleeping kid is Uvalde cops.
Hakuna Matata B*tches
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1438 Posts
June 29 2022 20:59 GMT
#17796
I am not sure why this hasn't been posted, but there was a serious mass shooting in Oslo last Friday. 21 injured, 2 killed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61933817.amp

This ended up being a very interesting example of bias and hasty conclusions. The attack was near the most famous gay bar in Oslo, and the day before Pride. The police cancelled the parade, and was critizized for it as there were no indications of more attacks, many marched anyway.

Also, this was quickly judged as being an attack on the gay community, but the gay bar was not the first bar the shooter opened fire against, and there were no indications he was a gay-hater. On the other hand, the shooter was an active Muslim, but also had a long and consuming conflict with the Norwegian authorities. My feeling is that psychic instability was the main reason for this tragedy, eventually snapping into "I hate everything and everyone" mode. Pride might not have anything to do with it at all, but maybe he saw it as a chance to get more impact and attention, which certainly succeeded.
Buff the siegetank
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway459 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-29 23:13:39
June 29 2022 23:12 GMT
#17797
On June 30 2022 05:59 Slydie wrote:
I am not sure why this hasn't been posted, but there was a serious mass shooting in Oslo last Friday. 21 injured, 2 killed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61933817.amp

This ended up being a very interesting example of bias and hasty conclusions. The attack was near the most famous gay bar in Oslo, and the day before Pride. The police cancelled the parade, and was critizized for it as there were no indications of more attacks, many marched anyway.

Also, this was quickly judged as being an attack on the gay community, but the gay bar was not the first bar the shooter opened fire against, and there were no indications he was a gay-hater. On the other hand, the shooter was an active Muslim, but also had a long and consuming conflict with the Norwegian authorities. My feeling is that psychic instability was the main reason for this tragedy, eventually snapping into "I hate everything and everyone" mode. Pride might not have anything to do with it at all, but maybe he saw it as a chance to get more impact and attention, which certainly succeeded.


A quick reply regarding that, both the first bar (Per på hjørnet) and the other 'not-gay-bar' (Herr Nilsen) were having a pride party event. Both those two pubs have a large amount of regulars who are gay/trans and the guests from the gaybar (London Pub) are usually mixing between those three bars. One of the guys who were killed were a well known figure within the LGBTQ community and were a regular at both Per på hjørnet and London pub. Finally, witness accounts have said that he were very focused on shooting the guests from those three pubs.

So you might have missed a few details of the story, if you think that what we know now doesn't indicate that the terror attack were being directed against the LGBTQ community. Also, the police said today that they think there were more people who had been involved with the terror attack.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway7129 Posts
June 30 2022 07:37 GMT
#17798
I'm very interested to hear how he got his weapons. If I remember correctly, he had a "pistol and automatic rifle", one of which is very difficult to get a hold of, and the other which should be impossible to get a hold of.
Neneu
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway459 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-30 08:44:03
June 30 2022 08:42 GMT
#17799
On June 30 2022 16:37 Excludos wrote:
I'm very interested to hear how he got his weapons. If I remember correctly, he had a "pistol and automatic rifle", one of which is very difficult to get a hold of, and the other which should be impossible to get a hold of.


Quite interested to find out that myself as well.

I remember when we had the most violent bank robbery in modern history (the Nokas robbery), with shooting in a very busy street by 13 professional bank robbers and which ended with a dead police officer. The farmer who were hiding the weapons after the robbery were threatened by the robbers with being killed, because he wanted to throw the weapons from the crime scene in the ocean. It was so hard to get guns (even though we have a lot of them), that the robbers would rather risk being caught with the evidence than having to try the impossible task to get new ones.

My guess is that this is one of the reasons the police thinks that there are more people involved.
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany824 Posts
June 30 2022 08:57 GMT
#17800
On June 30 2022 16:37 Excludos wrote:
I'm very interested to hear how he got his weapons. If I remember correctly, he had a "pistol and automatic rifle", one of which is very difficult to get a hold of, and the other which should be impossible to get a hold of.


There are automatic rifles around in Europe, police sometimes find them, it's mostly remnants from the Jugoslavian war. Of course all of them are illegal but as it's rather easy to smuggle in from that part of europe, doesn't suprise me that they are also in Norway.

TLDR If you are willing and criminal enough you can get an assault rifle, it's not impossible.
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