Some rather weird stuff going on that I'm not sure about wth is going on , as it would seem: "LA bans Frisbees and footballs on beach; enacts $1000 fine for violators" --- "The new rules now prohibit "any person to cast, toss, throw, kick or roll" any object other than a beach ball or volleyball "upon or over any beach."
Well, if you browse for weird laws you gonna find a ton in the U.S., like having dog fight with cats illegal, wearing ( god damn it can't remember how was that called ) some specific form of clothing again illegal, in different states of course... Actually first heard about it on the TV Series "Oz" ( which by the way was a really bad ass TV Series ) .
Now banning common activity on beaches for no good reason ... How is this not retarded ?
PS: I'll try to keep thread updated ( tho I'm having exams in a few hours ) with different sources if TLers post some here
This is why I hadn't moved to LA yet! I was too damn afraid of going to the beach and getting hit in the head by a frisbee or football. Now this awesome law is in place and I'm moving Monday! I live in Canada and there isn't much football up here, and no one uses frisbees because they freeze mid-air before they get to your friend.
Uhm.... what the hell. Usually weird laws are from days long ago where they somewhat make sense. This law, passed now, blows my mind.... it doesn't make any sense.
I hate to be the guy who says it but that's hardly surprising. The culture of making everything (everything but things you pay for in one form or another) forbidden is becoming more and more dominant in the US and the UK.
US has lots of frivolous laws. I recall some law making it illegal to put ice cream into your pocket. Bureaucrats with nothing to do make up arbitrary laws in a farcical effort to show that taxpayer money is being well spent. "See? We're doing something."
Lol I love these. Find a dumb law that for some reason was written - usually to combat a specific problem - and is rarely IF EVER enforced and laugh about the people of that geographical area. It's all the fun of being pretentious without troubling yourself to find a reason!
On February 10 2012 14:56 Probe1 wrote: Lol I love these. Find a dumb law that for some reason was written - usually to combat a specific problem - and is rarely IF EVER enforced and laugh about the people of that geographical area. It's all the fun of being pretentious without troubling yourself to find a reason!
The Romanians have to keep themselves entertained somehow.
Woo LA. I got a $200 ticket for riding my in the bike lane on the left side of the street... When there were no cars and the nearest intersection was all red lights for a diagonal crossing. :/
This law doesn't make sense unless you see how big the crowds at the beach get during the summer.
With that in mind, it starts to make sense if a bit harsh. This law isn't in effect anytime other than the summer busy season where no one really would be doing these activities anyway because of how crowded it was. Now they are just forbidden by law from doing it.
Well I'm just going on a hunch, but it probably has to do with public safety issues. Beach balls and volleyballs are not likely to cause any physical damage, unlike Frisbees I suppose. The beaches may be filled to the point where there isn't enough open space to do such activities like Ultimate Frisbee.
Essentially some of our fine legislators have decided that college campuses need to allow firearms instead of deciding to give them more funds. I think AZ wins in the weird laws contest :D
I have to say that its quite funny how they tried to sound official, and then realized that they couldn't accomplish what they wanted in official language. No balls except for this category (oh fuck, what if someone has a rugby ball or something like that..... fuck it) No balls except for beach balls and volleyballs. That being said, the lawyer in me says that "beach ball" could be vague enough to include really anything, so if someone has the + Show Spoiler +
This sucks, I go to the beach alot. But thank god I can still play some beach volleyball. Wouldve been funny if they banned that too because AVP (when they werent bankrupt) payed Huntington money to host their events there.
Nobody will listen, the guys with the footballs are just like the guys on that corona commercial, to impress that girl (most of them) they won't enforce it, theres nobody that even patrols the beaches at all.
On February 10 2012 14:31 SilverLeagueElite wrote: US has lots of frivolous laws. I recall some law making it illegal to put ice cream into your pocket.
haha, this is actually kentucky... in the old days, if a horse followed you home, you could keep it... horses apparently like ice cream cones
On February 10 2012 15:10 Mordanis wrote: Meanwhile in Arizona this is happening
Essentially some of our fine legislators have decided that college campuses need to allow firearms instead of deciding to give them more funds. I think AZ wins in the weird laws contest :D
I have to say that its quite funny how they tried to sound official, and then realized that they couldn't accomplish what they wanted in official language. No balls except for this category (oh fuck, what if someone has a rugby ball or something like that..... fuck it) No balls except for beach balls and volleyballs. That being said, the lawyer in me says that "beach ball" could be vague enough to include really anything, so if someone has the + Show Spoiler +
balls
they should sue LA over this.
Allowing concealed carry on campus is a legit debate that has caused controversy all over the country... Banning beach balls, on the other hand... Well...
albeit incredibly stupid, seems like something that would never ever be enforced. that said - is a beach ball a specific thing with a specific definition? if not im sure you can claim whatever ball you want to be one
On February 10 2012 15:10 Mordanis wrote: Meanwhile in Arizona this is happening
Essentially some of our fine legislators have decided that college campuses need to allow firearms instead of deciding to give them more funds. I think AZ wins in the weird laws contest :D
I have to say that its quite funny how they tried to sound official, and then realized that they couldn't accomplish what they wanted in official language. No balls except for this category (oh fuck, what if someone has a rugby ball or something like that..... fuck it) No balls except for beach balls and volleyballs. That being said, the lawyer in me says that "beach ball" could be vague enough to include really anything, so if someone has the + Show Spoiler +
balls
they should sue LA over this.
Allowing concealed carry on campus is a legit debate that has caused controversy all over the country... Banning beach balls, on the other hand... Well...
And it makes sense because Arizona has been on a big conservative swing in the legislature over the past couple years
On a serious note, this seems pointless, can you imagine a bunch of people sitting around a table thinking YES! This is it, people are always complaining about the dangers of frisbee throwing and football kicking. As well as the extremely dangerous practice of throwing smartphones that's sprung up over the last few years.
I have to wonder why even make this law? Couldn't lawmakers divert resources into legitimate concerns? Was there an agenda drawn up and this just made it to the top of the list? Can't say I'm too bothered by this since I don't even live in the U.S. but I do wonder what motivated people to make this law.
I hate this kind of stuff, because it's just one more reason for the police to harass you, and cause more problems upon the action of stopping people from playing on a beach, and then if you are doing anything else wrong, drinking, smoking, etc, you probably get caught, stuff like this seems so minor but it builds up to quite a bit of lost freedoms, wasted time and on the law enforcement's behalf.
I'm 99% sure in New Jersey if your underwear is showing/pants are "saggy" you can get fined, the department is called like Metropolitan Etiquette Authority or something similar. Yea it sounds decent under whatever reasons, but theyre absurd, the Government should never be the one putting those restrictions on you. Like I previously mentioned, it gives them another reason to harass/inspect you, and you lose privilege over these weird/small laws.
On February 10 2012 16:21 v3chr0 wrote: I hate this kind of stuff, because it's just one more reason for the police to harass you, and cause more problems upon the action of stopping people from playing on a beach, and then if you are doing anything else wrong, drinking, smoking, etc, you probably get caught, stuff like this seems so minor but it builds up to quite a bit of lost freedoms, wasted time and on the law enforcement's behalf.
I'm 99% sure in New Jersey if your underwear is showing/pants are "saggy" you can get fined, the department is called like Metropolitan Etiquette Authority or something similar. Yea it sounds decent under whatever reasons, but theyre absurd, the Government should never be the one putting those restrictions on you. Like I previously mentioned, it gives them another reason to harass/inspect you, and you lose privilege over these weird/small laws.
you realize thats exssentially why so many laws exist.
throwing a frisbee on the beach. throwing a frisbee in a designated no throw zone. throwing a frisbee in a crowded area, causing a public danger. Throwing a frisbee etc etc....
The more laws, the more counts you get.
And then add on anything else you're doing you could be fined or jailed for.
Its basically a way to stack as many charges as possible on someone. thats how the U.S. justice system works.
On February 10 2012 15:06 Sovano wrote: Well I'm just going on a hunch, but it probably has to do with public safety issues. Beach balls and volleyballs are not likely to cause any physical damage, unlike Frisbees I suppose. The beaches may be filled to the point where there isn't enough open space to do such activities like Ultimate Frisbee.
As a beach volleyball player i can promise you volleyballs can be just as dangerous as footballs. When the big dogs are playing that shit flies, whether it's a erred serve or a missed dig I've seen people get owned at our less crowded beach in Milwaukee. They just couldn't possibly ban a very popular and competitive beach specific sport.
The law is you need to get permission from a life guard then you are fine to play, otherwise you could get fined. I have no idea what the purpose of the law is but it's probably just more nanny-state garbage that California and New York are becoming well known for.
lol @ all the people not able to use critical thinking in this thread. People were probably getting hit by these things and getting hurt. getting hit by a frisbee in the head isn't pleasant. a beachball or volleyball is ok since it's less serious.
On February 11 2012 01:55 xtruder wrote: lol @ all the people not able to use critical thinking in this thread. People were probably getting hit by these things and getting hurt. getting hit by a frisbee in the head isn't pleasant. a beachball or volleyball is ok since it's less serious.
you have good logic, being hit by a freesbee in the head is almost 10 times as worse as being hit by a volleyball in the head....oh wait is that the other way around? I kinda feel like I'm getting trolled by this "afgani" guy .... troll again :D
On February 11 2012 01:55 xtruder wrote: lol @ all the people not able to use critical thinking in this thread. People were probably getting hit by these things and getting hurt. getting hit by a frisbee in the head isn't pleasant. a beachball or volleyball is ok since it's less serious.
Getting hit by a car also isn't pleasant. Personally I think they should get rid of cars. They are very dangerous and cause a lot of damage. I think getting into a car accident is even more likely than getting hit by a frisbee, and certainly a lot more painful.
This is ridiculous, a lot of the more liberal/socialist areas of California have authoritarian laws like this. Especially San Francisco, where they're banning everything from happy meals to circumcision to gold fish.
There are worse, but this is really silly. Next law update will include removal of sand on the beach or no running allowed on the beach because sand might go in your eye.
I like the law. Always hated folks running around yelling and splashing sand everywhere like it's their playground. I think this is common sense for people with manners and respect for others.
They changed it so that 1. it did not apply in off season (when the beach would not be crowded) 2. in 'on season' is would be at lifeguard discretion (fine may be a bit large, but you want people to actually stop if the lifeguard says so)
On February 11 2012 05:32 Krikkitone wrote: Actually they are Loosening/Changing the law.
The law was already in place.
They changed it so that 1. it did not apply in off season (when the beach would not be crowded) 2. in 'on season' is would be at lifeguard discretion (fine may be a bit large, but you want people to actually stop if the lifeguard says so)
In the end it doesn't seem like that stupid of an idea, does it? Way to sensationalize something trivial.
On February 11 2012 05:32 Krikkitone wrote: Actually they are Loosening/Changing the law.
The law was already in place.
They changed it so that 1. it did not apply in off season (when the beach would not be crowded) 2. in 'on season' is would be at lifeguard discretion (fine may be a bit large, but you want people to actually stop if the lifeguard says so)
It's amazing what a little context does to a story. ;=)
I thought this was being put in place because some sick people think its funny to put nails/razors in frisbees and that it was becoming as issue? Maybe I'm confusing this with something else though..
On February 11 2012 06:17 WritersBlock wrote: I thought this was being put in place because some sick people think its funny to put nails/razors in frisbees and that it was becoming as issue? Maybe I'm confusing this with something else though..
That sounds as dumb as the myth of people putting razors in candy at Halloween.
On February 10 2012 14:15 xtfftc wrote: I hate to be the guy who says it but that's hardly surprising. The culture of making everything (everything but things you pay for in one form or another) forbidden is becoming more and more dominant in the US and the UK.
Damn, I was really hoping it wasn't spreading to the UK. That was my contingency plan should stuff get too ass-backwards here.
How could this be? What's the point of a beach without a frisbee?
I mean I understand the dangers of a frisbee hitting somebody in the face (on both the giving and receiving ends of this) but frisbee's are standard to beach activity. You can't make enough laws for people to be careful. Where does it end? No running up stairs law?
Wow, this is pretty crazy, lol. I love reading about dumb laws. I remember my parents used to have a board game called Real Dumb Laws, it was basically a trivia game about some of the dumbest laws in the nation.
This is a very careless OP which needs to be fixed because it is clearly spreading too much misinformation. And some of you guys really need should research before you start using such harsh language for the county's decision.
This revision to the law was a revision which reduced their strictness. Previously beach balls were listed under the law. But because of the growing popularity of things like beach tennis and beach soccer, they made the change.
The other part of the change which relates to footballs and frisbees is the law is being changed from an outright ban on them instead to allowing them to be played in the offseason, in specific areas, with a permit, or if you get permission from the lifeguard. This is something you could not do before under the previous rules.
They said the $100 fine just for cases if people are being idiots and continuously are throwing in large crowds, or continue to throw after a lifeguard tells them to stop.
A more accurate title would be "Weird Old Law in LA County [which was changed]"
Contrary to what you may have heard, it's OK to toss a Frisbee at the beach.
Santos Kreimann says he has nothing against Frisbees at the beach—honest. And it’s OK with him if you want to toss a football along the shore, too, as long as you do it responsibly.
That’s why the county’s Beaches & Harbors director was baffled Thursday to find that what his department views as a liberalization of the rules for beach recreation is being widely misinterpreted to mean that Frisbee- and football-throwing is now subject to a $1,000 fine.
Not so, Kreimann says. After years of outright prohibition, a new ordinance which received final approval this week spells out for the first time the conditions under which Frisbees and footballs are allowed on county beaches—basically, in the off-season, or with a permit or permission from the lifeguard.
For years, he said, that kind of recreation had been outlawed altogether “to prohibit some knucklehead from acting like an idiot on the beach.”
The Frisbee flap has received big play on the airwaves and the Internet. The Drudge Report headlined an incorrect report by a local TV station: “LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches.” Inquiries have poured into county offices from reporters as far away as London. The Los Angeles Times provided a factually accurate counterpoint to the coverage with an article headlined: “Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches.”
The new ordinance does give the county the right to ticket Frisbee scofflaws, like people who persist in throwing into large summer crowds, or when asked not to by a lifeguard. The first offense is $100—an amount set by the California Government Code. (Read the department’s statement on the ordinance here.)
Still, Kreimann doesn’t expect many citations will be issued.
“We don’t ticket anybody for throwing a ball on the beach, as long as they’re doing it responsibly,” he said.
As for those new $1,000 fines you may have heard about: yes, they’re in the ordinance but they apply to only a few kinds of misbehavior.
Those include nudity, shooting weapons and swimming or surfing during hazardous conditions or in prohibited areas.
The revisions to the ball-playing section of the ordinance were prompted in part by the growing popularity of sports like beach tennis and beach soccer, which are now permissible under certain conditions.
Posted 2/9/12
After reading more through this thread, it is just completely embarrassing. This isn't acceptable. Being so ignorant AND being so aggressive in your attack against something which you don't understand is just shameful. I'm not going to pick out posts, but look through about every other post and you'll find someone who has no idea what they're talking about yet believes they can insult the county, the people who revised the law, or even the country.
We gotta change this and increase the quality of posting on these news articles. If we all just do a little research or put some thought into something before we start criticizing or spouting ignorance, we'll have much nicer news threads.
On February 10 2012 14:10 r.Evo wrote: "Honey, catch that water bottle!" BAMN FINE
"Ima throw away that chewing gum paper from right over here!" BAMN FINE
"Mom, that kid kicked a coka cola can!" BAMN FINE
...sounds like it's gonna work like that. =D
i dont get it... are you talking about littering? because littering should be fine-able... besides, every throws bottles of water to pass them around, cant see them banning it. other than that your sarcasm is crap.
This makes me feel good to know that my tax dollars are going towards legislation like this as this will make the community a safer place. (Obvious sarcasm)
On February 12 2012 03:23 Befree wrote: This is a very careless OP which needs to be fixed because it is clearly spreading too much misinformation. And some of you guys really need should research before you start using such harsh language for the county's decision.
This revision to the law was a revision which reduced their strictness. Previously beach balls were listed under the law. But because of the growing popularity of things like beach tennis and beach soccer, they made the change.
The other part of the change which relates to footballs and frisbees is the law is being changed from an outright ban on them instead to allowing them to be played in the offseason, in specific areas, with a permit, or if you get permission from the lifeguard. This is something you could not do before under the previous rules.
They said the $100 fine just for cases if people are being idiots and continuously are throwing in large crowds, or continue to throw after a lifeguard tells them to stop.
A more accurate title would be "Weird Old Law in LA County [which was changed]"
Contrary to what you may have heard, it's OK to toss a Frisbee at the beach.
Santos Kreimann says he has nothing against Frisbees at the beach—honest. And it’s OK with him if you want to toss a football along the shore, too, as long as you do it responsibly.
That’s why the county’s Beaches & Harbors director was baffled Thursday to find that what his department views as a liberalization of the rules for beach recreation is being widely misinterpreted to mean that Frisbee- and football-throwing is now subject to a $1,000 fine.
Not so, Kreimann says. After years of outright prohibition, a new ordinance which received final approval this week spells out for the first time the conditions under which Frisbees and footballs are allowed on county beaches—basically, in the off-season, or with a permit or permission from the lifeguard.
For years, he said, that kind of recreation had been outlawed altogether “to prohibit some knucklehead from acting like an idiot on the beach.”
The Frisbee flap has received big play on the airwaves and the Internet. The Drudge Report headlined an incorrect report by a local TV station: “LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches.” Inquiries have poured into county offices from reporters as far away as London. The Los Angeles Times provided a factually accurate counterpoint to the coverage with an article headlined: “Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches.”
The new ordinance does give the county the right to ticket Frisbee scofflaws, like people who persist in throwing into large summer crowds, or when asked not to by a lifeguard. The first offense is $100—an amount set by the California Government Code. (Read the department’s statement on the ordinance here.)
Still, Kreimann doesn’t expect many citations will be issued.
“We don’t ticket anybody for throwing a ball on the beach, as long as they’re doing it responsibly,” he said.
As for those new $1,000 fines you may have heard about: yes, they’re in the ordinance but they apply to only a few kinds of misbehavior.
Those include nudity, shooting weapons and swimming or surfing during hazardous conditions or in prohibited areas.
The revisions to the ball-playing section of the ordinance were prompted in part by the growing popularity of sports like beach tennis and beach soccer, which are now permissible under certain conditions.
Posted 2/9/12
After reading more through this thread, it is just completely embarrassing. This isn't acceptable. Being so ignorant AND being so aggressive in your attack against something which you don't understand is just shameful. I'm not going to pick out posts, but look through about every other post and you'll find someone who has no idea what they're talking about yet believes they can insult the county, the people who revised the law, or even the country.
We gotta change this and increase the quality of posting on these news articles. If we all just do a little research or put some thought into something before we start criticizing or spouting ignorance, we'll have much nicer news threads.
Actually, the problem is people posting misleading, often sensationalist (and completely wrong) OPs. That's the problem.
On February 12 2012 02:47 MrF wrote: This nerf to footballs and frisbees is going to make volly balls way to OP on any beach maps.
lol, wp.
TL can be a depressing place. So much sad news and people. Sometimes its completely misleading as it is in this case. Doesnt sound so bad, if people are being shoved out of the way or having to avoid a large part of the beach due to a few people then w/e. The silly thing is that it seems to take affect when all the tourists show up. Then again if i lived there and wasnt a tourist that probably wouldnt bother me to much. Sucks for people on vacation or w/e i guess.
I think it should be fine as long as they're not in the way of people. I think the problem is people not using common sense and continuing to play in the middle of a lot of people and hitting them repeatedly.
I'm guessing it's something put in place so that when someone gets hit in the head with a frisbee they can say "Well you shouldn't have been playing frisbee", rather than actually stopping people playing frisbee.
Rape is a healthy physical activity, by your logic why isnt rape legal? Think before you talk
Rape isn't a healthy physical activity for either party... think before you talk.
I agree, rape is not a healthy physical activity. Consensual statutory rape could be considered a healthy physical activity, I guess, even though it is socially wrong, perhaps even psychologically hurtful depending on the age of the minor. I'm trying to mend 'DeepElemBlues' 's logic here, albeit I'm finding it quite hard.
If you have ever listened to Adam Carolla you know what LA is like. The city only cares about making money and doing as little other stuff as possible (for their citizens). Thank Jesus I live in Culver City.
On February 11 2012 06:17 WritersBlock wrote: I thought this was being put in place because some sick people think its funny to put nails/razors in frisbees and that it was becoming as issue? Maybe I'm confusing this with something else though..
And doing what with it? Becoming the next bond villain?
Why are there so many little boundaries in modern society? It's fucking 9/11 that has made everyone so naive and overprotective. This is fucking rediculous.
When mass misunderstanding is occurring in the thread, take a close look at OP because most of the times root of the problem is going to be there. In fact people just won't post stories like that if they did not perceive this as "sensational", meaning every OP is likely biased in a way that makes the content more interesting than it is. Viewer discretion is advised.
this isnt a "new law". its an edit to the existing text of a law.
instead of specifying the allowed projectiles based on size, they specifically stated which balls are allowed. this is an improvement on the original text because it allows for less confusion. (where's the diameter of a football? long way or short way? lol)
On February 14 2012 07:44 driftme wrote: moderators, please fix the OP
this isnt a "new law". its an edit to the existing text of a law.
instead of specifying the allowed projectiles based on size, they specifically stated which balls are allowed. this is an improvement on the original text because it allows for less confusion. (where's the diameter of a football? long way or short way? lol)
Either way, the law is still ridiculous. The fact that this is an "improvement" over an older law makes it all the more ridiculous.
On February 13 2012 04:28 MonDeW wrote: Why are there so many little boundaries in modern society? It's fucking 9/11 that has made everyone so naive and overprotective. This is fucking rediculous.
Its not 9/11. Feminism is trying to castrate society because all physical activity aside from dancing to Lady Gaga is considered evil and degenerate. At least that's the way lawmakers see it. Congress is staffed with a bunch of emasculate "do-gooders" pandering to hyper-litigious liberals in states like California.
On February 13 2012 07:01 Hesmyrr wrote: When mass misunderstanding is occurring in the thread, take a close look at OP because most of the times root of the problem is going to be there. In fact people just won't post stories like that if they did not perceive this as "sensational", meaning every OP is likely biased in a way that makes the content more interesting than it is. Viewer discretion is advised.
Yeah I realized that too after being on TL for a little while. Almost all of the sensational posts end up being big misunderstandings (like the pizza is a vegetable one) that few pick up on because they assumed the OP was right about everything and didn't do any fact checking of their own.
I'm glad for it though, I'm a lot more skeptical now and don't take things at face value. There's usually one or two people at least who pick up on it though. For example Befree on page 4 (this thread) makes a pretty detailed post about how this is actually allowing balls that couldn't be thrown before. As to why the older law was in place, I think we'd need to learn more about that too before making accusations.
On February 13 2012 07:01 Hesmyrr wrote: When mass misunderstanding is occurring in the thread, take a close look at OP because most of the times root of the problem is going to be there. In fact people just won't post stories like that if they did not perceive this as "sensational", meaning every OP is likely biased in a way that makes the content more interesting than it is. Viewer discretion is advised.
Yeah I realized that too after being on TL for a little while. Almost all of the sensational posts end up being big misunderstandings (like the pizza is a vegetable one) that few pick up on because they assumed the OP was right about everything and didn't do any fact checking of their own.
I'm glad for it though, I'm a lot more skeptical now and don't take things at face value. There's usually one or two people at least who pick up on it though. For example Befree on page 4 (this thread) makes a pretty detailed post about how this is actually allowing balls that couldn't be thrown before. As to why the older law was in place, I think we'd need to learn more about that too before making accusations.
Accusations about what? The people who are up in arms about this "new law" likely had no idea about the original law. The only reason they're shouting about it now is because they read a thread title that said "LA BANS FOOTBALL" and they went straight to indignant fury, rather than actually READING the change for themselves and realizing that OP is a moron.
On February 12 2012 03:23 Befree wrote: This is a very careless OP which needs to be fixed because it is clearly spreading too much misinformation. And some of you guys really need should research before you start using such harsh language for the county's decision.
This revision to the law was a revision which reduced their strictness. Previously beach balls were listed under the law. But because of the growing popularity of things like beach tennis and beach soccer, they made the change.
The other part of the change which relates to footballs and frisbees is the law is being changed from an outright ban on them instead to allowing them to be played in the offseason, in specific areas, with a permit, or if you get permission from the lifeguard. This is something you could not do before under the previous rules.
They said the $100 fine just for cases if people are being idiots and continuously are throwing in large crowds, or continue to throw after a lifeguard tells them to stop.
A more accurate title would be "Weird Old Law in LA County [which was changed]"
Contrary to what you may have heard, it's OK to toss a Frisbee at the beach.
Santos Kreimann says he has nothing against Frisbees at the beach—honest. And it’s OK with him if you want to toss a football along the shore, too, as long as you do it responsibly.
That’s why the county’s Beaches & Harbors director was baffled Thursday to find that what his department views as a liberalization of the rules for beach recreation is being widely misinterpreted to mean that Frisbee- and football-throwing is now subject to a $1,000 fine.
Not so, Kreimann says. After years of outright prohibition, a new ordinance which received final approval this week spells out for the first time the conditions under which Frisbees and footballs are allowed on county beaches—basically, in the off-season, or with a permit or permission from the lifeguard.
For years, he said, that kind of recreation had been outlawed altogether “to prohibit some knucklehead from acting like an idiot on the beach.”
The Frisbee flap has received big play on the airwaves and the Internet. The Drudge Report headlined an incorrect report by a local TV station: “LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches.” Inquiries have poured into county offices from reporters as far away as London. The Los Angeles Times provided a factually accurate counterpoint to the coverage with an article headlined: “Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches.”
The new ordinance does give the county the right to ticket Frisbee scofflaws, like people who persist in throwing into large summer crowds, or when asked not to by a lifeguard. The first offense is $100—an amount set by the California Government Code. (Read the department’s statement on the ordinance here.)
Still, Kreimann doesn’t expect many citations will be issued.
“We don’t ticket anybody for throwing a ball on the beach, as long as they’re doing it responsibly,” he said.
As for those new $1,000 fines you may have heard about: yes, they’re in the ordinance but they apply to only a few kinds of misbehavior.
Those include nudity, shooting weapons and swimming or surfing during hazardous conditions or in prohibited areas.
The revisions to the ball-playing section of the ordinance were prompted in part by the growing popularity of sports like beach tennis and beach soccer, which are now permissible under certain conditions.
Posted 2/9/12
After reading more through this thread, it is just completely embarrassing. This isn't acceptable. Being so ignorant AND being so aggressive in your attack against something which you don't understand is just shameful. I'm not going to pick out posts, but look through about every other post and you'll find someone who has no idea what they're talking about yet believes they can insult the county, the people who revised the law, or even the country.
We gotta change this and increase the quality of posting on these news articles. If we all just do a little research or put some thought into something before we start criticizing or spouting ignorance, we'll have much nicer news threads.
Can we get this copied into the OP? Seems they actually loosened a previous ban.
On February 12 2012 03:23 Befree wrote: This is a very careless OP which needs to be fixed because it is clearly spreading too much misinformation. And some of you guys really need should research before you start using such harsh language for the county's decision.
This revision to the law was a revision which reduced their strictness. Previously beach balls were listed under the law. But because of the growing popularity of things like beach tennis and beach soccer, they made the change.
The other part of the change which relates to footballs and frisbees is the law is being changed from an outright ban on them instead to allowing them to be played in the offseason, in specific areas, with a permit, or if you get permission from the lifeguard. This is something you could not do before under the previous rules.
They said the $100 fine just for cases if people are being idiots and continuously are throwing in large crowds, or continue to throw after a lifeguard tells them to stop.
A more accurate title would be "Weird Old Law in LA County [which was changed]"
Contrary to what you may have heard, it's OK to toss a Frisbee at the beach.
Santos Kreimann says he has nothing against Frisbees at the beach—honest. And it’s OK with him if you want to toss a football along the shore, too, as long as you do it responsibly.
That’s why the county’s Beaches & Harbors director was baffled Thursday to find that what his department views as a liberalization of the rules for beach recreation is being widely misinterpreted to mean that Frisbee- and football-throwing is now subject to a $1,000 fine.
Not so, Kreimann says. After years of outright prohibition, a new ordinance which received final approval this week spells out for the first time the conditions under which Frisbees and footballs are allowed on county beaches—basically, in the off-season, or with a permit or permission from the lifeguard.
For years, he said, that kind of recreation had been outlawed altogether “to prohibit some knucklehead from acting like an idiot on the beach.”
The Frisbee flap has received big play on the airwaves and the Internet. The Drudge Report headlined an incorrect report by a local TV station: “LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches.” Inquiries have poured into county offices from reporters as far away as London. The Los Angeles Times provided a factually accurate counterpoint to the coverage with an article headlined: “Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches.”
The new ordinance does give the county the right to ticket Frisbee scofflaws, like people who persist in throwing into large summer crowds, or when asked not to by a lifeguard. The first offense is $100—an amount set by the California Government Code. (Read the department’s statement on the ordinance here.)
Still, Kreimann doesn’t expect many citations will be issued.
“We don’t ticket anybody for throwing a ball on the beach, as long as they’re doing it responsibly,” he said.
As for those new $1,000 fines you may have heard about: yes, they’re in the ordinance but they apply to only a few kinds of misbehavior.
Those include nudity, shooting weapons and swimming or surfing during hazardous conditions or in prohibited areas.
The revisions to the ball-playing section of the ordinance were prompted in part by the growing popularity of sports like beach tennis and beach soccer, which are now permissible under certain conditions.
Posted 2/9/12
After reading more through this thread, it is just completely embarrassing. This isn't acceptable. Being so ignorant AND being so aggressive in your attack against something which you don't understand is just shameful. I'm not going to pick out posts, but look through about every other post and you'll find someone who has no idea what they're talking about yet believes they can insult the county, the people who revised the law, or even the country.
We gotta change this and increase the quality of posting on these news articles. If we all just do a little research or put some thought into something before we start criticizing or spouting ignorance, we'll have much nicer news threads.
Can we get this copied into the OP? Seems they actually loosened a previous ban.
Really, a mod should do that AND either change the subject, or close the thread. This is ridiculous, the amount of people who read the subject and then post is mind boggling.
On February 11 2012 01:55 xtruder wrote: lol @ all the people not able to use critical thinking in this thread. People were probably getting hit by these things and getting hurt. getting hit by a frisbee in the head isn't pleasant. a beachball or volleyball is ok since it's less serious.
I guess we can all figure out this guy doesn't go out to the beach that often...
On February 10 2012 15:01 brain_ wrote: Woo LA. I got a $200 ticket for riding my in the bike lane on the left side of the street... When there were no cars and the nearest intersection was all red lights for a diagonal crossing. :/
I mean.... there's no good reason for you to do that. But given the circumstances, a $200 ticket is pretty crazy
On February 10 2012 13:49 bOneSeven wrote: Some rather weird stuff going on that I'm not sure about wth is going on , as it would seem: "LA bans Frisbees and footballs on beach; enacts $1000 fine for violators" --- "The new rules now prohibit "any person to cast, toss, throw, kick or roll" any object other than a beach ball or volleyball "upon or over any beach."
Well, if you browse for weird laws you gonna find a ton in the U.S., like having dog fight with cats illegal, wearing ( god damn it can't remember how was that called ) some specific form of clothing again illegal, in different states of course... Actually first heard about it on the TV Series "Oz" ( which by the way was a really bad ass TV Series ) .
Now banning common activity on beaches for no good reason ... How is this not retarded ?
PS: I'll try to keep thread updated ( tho I'm having exams in a few hours ) with different sources if TLers post some here
Interesting that this OP is from Romania. There are so many laws like this and not even good laws in fact some of them allow dumb stuff to happen. South Carolina in 3 countys it is legal to beat your spouse on the courtroom steps. Either way as far as the law is concerned. And even though there are laws that have made spousal abuse illegal this is an exception law, so could still be argued in court (though I doubt it will).
What is interesting to me is that this law has no need to be in place either. If you happen to be the one person who dies by frisbee on a beach you kind of just need to say fuck it and accept the outcome right? One and a billion chance that a frisbee will headshot you for +100, but I think I would take the risk.
On February 12 2012 03:23 Befree wrote: This is a very careless OP which needs to be fixed because it is clearly spreading too much misinformation. And some of you guys really need should research before you start using such harsh language for the county's decision.
This revision to the law was a revision which reduced their strictness. Previously beach balls were listed under the law. But because of the growing popularity of things like beach tennis and beach soccer, they made the change.
The other part of the change which relates to footballs and frisbees is the law is being changed from an outright ban on them instead to allowing them to be played in the offseason, in specific areas, with a permit, or if you get permission from the lifeguard. This is something you could not do before under the previous rules.
They said the $100 fine just for cases if people are being idiots and continuously are throwing in large crowds, or continue to throw after a lifeguard tells them to stop.
A more accurate title would be "Weird Old Law in LA County [which was changed]"
Contrary to what you may have heard, it's OK to toss a Frisbee at the beach.
Santos Kreimann says he has nothing against Frisbees at the beach—honest. And it’s OK with him if you want to toss a football along the shore, too, as long as you do it responsibly.
That’s why the county’s Beaches & Harbors director was baffled Thursday to find that what his department views as a liberalization of the rules for beach recreation is being widely misinterpreted to mean that Frisbee- and football-throwing is now subject to a $1,000 fine.
Not so, Kreimann says. After years of outright prohibition, a new ordinance which received final approval this week spells out for the first time the conditions under which Frisbees and footballs are allowed on county beaches—basically, in the off-season, or with a permit or permission from the lifeguard.
For years, he said, that kind of recreation had been outlawed altogether “to prohibit some knucklehead from acting like an idiot on the beach.”
The Frisbee flap has received big play on the airwaves and the Internet. The Drudge Report headlined an incorrect report by a local TV station: “LA County Approves $1,000 Fine For Throwing Football, Frisbees On Beaches.” Inquiries have poured into county offices from reporters as far away as London. The Los Angeles Times provided a factually accurate counterpoint to the coverage with an article headlined: “Ball playing, Frisbee tossing now allowed on L.A. County beaches.”
The new ordinance does give the county the right to ticket Frisbee scofflaws, like people who persist in throwing into large summer crowds, or when asked not to by a lifeguard. The first offense is $100—an amount set by the California Government Code. (Read the department’s statement on the ordinance here.)
Still, Kreimann doesn’t expect many citations will be issued.
“We don’t ticket anybody for throwing a ball on the beach, as long as they’re doing it responsibly,” he said.
As for those new $1,000 fines you may have heard about: yes, they’re in the ordinance but they apply to only a few kinds of misbehavior.
Those include nudity, shooting weapons and swimming or surfing during hazardous conditions or in prohibited areas.
The revisions to the ball-playing section of the ordinance were prompted in part by the growing popularity of sports like beach tennis and beach soccer, which are now permissible under certain conditions.
Posted 2/9/12
After reading more through this thread, it is just completely embarrassing. This isn't acceptable. Being so ignorant AND being so aggressive in your attack against something which you don't understand is just shameful. I'm not going to pick out posts, but look through about every other post and you'll find someone who has no idea what they're talking about yet believes they can insult the county, the people who revised the law, or even the country.
We gotta change this and increase the quality of posting on these news articles. If we all just do a little research or put some thought into something before we start criticizing or spouting ignorance, we'll have much nicer news threads.
Can we get this copied into the OP? Seems they actually loosened a previous ban.
Really, a mod should do that AND either change the subject, or close the thread. This is ridiculous, the amount of people who read the subject and then post is mind boggling.
I know. I already reported the post. It's not the first time this dude did this. He also started at least three other threads about local US news in the past couple of weeks. One of them was already closed by EvilTeletubby. Another had a similar biased OP that had material information about extenuating circumstances edited in later.
The guy is from Romania. The news he posts are all local news happening in the US without any international significance. We have too many threads about local news that are started by people with no idea of local history, culture and norms while missing too much background information on the topic. Honestly, many people should just stop posting news threads concerning countries that are not their own, unless they are really, really educated about the topic.
On February 13 2012 04:28 MonDeW wrote: Why are there so many little boundaries in modern society? It's fucking 9/11 that has made everyone so naive and overprotective. This is fucking rediculous.
Its not 9/11. Feminism is trying to castrate society because all physical activity aside from dancing to Lady Gaga is considered evil and degenerate. At least that's the way lawmakers see it. Congress is staffed with a bunch of emasculate "do-gooders" pandering to hyper-litigious liberals in states like California.
there's a lot of jokes in this forum, you included.