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On February 10 2012 06:11 LambtrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:30 Silidons wrote:i'm fine with gays marrying, but i really don't like it when people flaunt their homosexuality like they deserve more respect etc than any other person (not saying this thread is an example at all i'm just saying). i know this may be offensive but i v iew homosexuality as something that is just not quite normal with your brain, just like any other "disorder" that people may have, because of the whole continuation of the human race thing...  (i'm straight myself) This is highly offensive. You really think that gays will end the reproduction of the human race? No. We are reproducing just fine as the vast majority of people are straight. If anything, there's too many people here. Do some research and actually learn about being gay. Then you wouldn't spout such arrogant remarks.
Also, there were gay people from the very beginning of mankind. And does this fact support 'the end of reproduction'? No! We are reproducing just like 10,000 years ago.
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On February 10 2012 04:31 AlphaWhale wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 13:02 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 13:00 1Eris1 wrote:On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down. You say they are born with it, than why does it matter if they can get married? It's not like you're going to convince one of them to turn straight, and thus reproduce anyways. I figure it goes against nature. Why support it further? Mentally ill people who are born with deficiency's also should be restricted on what they can and can't do. I would not like a mentally handicapped person to operate extremely heavy machinery. And I don't think gay people should marry. I feel it's a defilement of what marriage is. This argument is flawed because marriage goes against the idea of living to procreate, it limits you to one partner. If procreation is the name of the game then you want many partners. Also there's no laws saying sterile people cannot marry.
You must forget the fact that people cho(o)se only one partner, because it's safest method for procreation. The human infants are quite vulnerable compared to any other species' , and people figured out (that's why having a big brain helps) that having only 1 partner is good for the female (she can easily bring up her child since she has someone who can support them) and also for the male (100% chance for reproducing). So you can't really say it's against procreation. [before anyone said "but you don't need to live your whole live with someone 'cause your child grows up pretty fast and you could move on to a new partner", but why would you do it? you have someone, who'd most likely have more children; and people those days when marriage was invented didn't live for 60+ years]
But dunno why marriage, as it now is, was invented. Guess people had too much time and money to kill. Noone really has any direct benefit from it. Still, it's an old cultural custom, and should be treated like that. This is the main reason I'm against gay marriage. It was invented for a man and a woman. Would you ban christmas trees, since those trees could hinder global warming? Or what about any (inter)national holidays?
I've spoken to a lot of gay people and none of them could explain me, why is gay marriage good? Why is it even worth debating?
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I don't understand why the government was ever saying who can get married and who can't in the first place. Why does the government sponsor marriage at all?
Deciding who to marry is a deeply personal, and for many people, religious decision. The government needs to keep its nose out of these issues. That means no government sponsored marriage at all, not for heterosexuals or homosexuals or anyone else.
If marriage was based on some secular 'property contact' before it was a religious idea, then let's move it back to that secular idea. Call it a property contract, not marriage.
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On February 10 2012 04:30 Silidons wrote:
i'm fine with gays marrying, but i really don't like it when people flaunt their homosexuality like they deserve more respect etc than any other person (not saying this thread is an example at all i'm just saying).
(i'm straight myself)
hmm i feel similarly. i certainly don't think we should ever discriminate against homosexuals but rather they should be treated as equals, not people who are super special. i think they should be allow to marry, it's america, if they can't marry then what is freedom derp, so this is definitely good and something i hope other states will follow. discrimination against people who are different will probably never cease to exist but in this day and age, i feel like everyone should be treated equally (duh) but people's fucked up mindsets will always exist i guess t.t.
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On February 10 2012 06:33 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:31 AlphaWhale wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 13:02 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 13:00 1Eris1 wrote:On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down. You say they are born with it, than why does it matter if they can get married? It's not like you're going to convince one of them to turn straight, and thus reproduce anyways. I figure it goes against nature. Why support it further? Mentally ill people who are born with deficiency's also should be restricted on what they can and can't do. I would not like a mentally handicapped person to operate extremely heavy machinery. And I don't think gay people should marry. I feel it's a defilement of what marriage is. This argument is flawed because marriage goes against the idea of living to procreate, it limits you to one partner. If procreation is the name of the game then you want many partners. Also there's no laws saying sterile people cannot marry. You must forget the fact that people cho(o)se only one partner, because it's safest method for procreation. The human infants are quite vulnerable compared to any other species' , and people figured out (that's why having a big brain helps) that having only 1 partner is good for the female (she can easily bring up her child since she has someone who can support them) and also for the male (100% chance for reproducing). So you can't really say it's against procreation. [before anyone said "but you don't need to live your whole live with someone 'cause your child grows up pretty fast and you could move on to a new partner", but why would you do it? you have someone, who'd most likely have more children; and people those days when marriage was invented didn't live for 60+ years] But dunno why marriage, as it now is, was invented. Guess people had too much time and money to kill. Noone really has any direct benefit from it. Still, it's an old cultural custom, and should be treated like that. This is the main reason I'm against gay marriage. It was invented for a man and a woman. Would you ban christmas trees, since those trees could hinder global warming? Or what about any (inter)national holidays? I've spoken to a lot of gay people and none of them could explain me, why is gay marriage good? Why is it even worth debating?
Because marriage gives a lot of social benefits etc.? It's fine if religious bigots don't approve of marriage in church "in front of God" or whatever, but not allowing 2 individuals of the same sex who love and care for each other to form a union and gain same benefits as 2 individuals of opposite sex is dumb.
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Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder.
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On February 10 2012 06:33 Antyee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:31 AlphaWhale wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2012 13:02 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 13:00 1Eris1 wrote:On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down. You say they are born with it, than why does it matter if they can get married? It's not like you're going to convince one of them to turn straight, and thus reproduce anyways. I figure it goes against nature. Why support it further? Mentally ill people who are born with deficiency's also should be restricted on what they can and can't do. I would not like a mentally handicapped person to operate extremely heavy machinery. And I don't think gay people should marry. I feel it's a defilement of what marriage is. This argument is flawed because marriage goes against the idea of living to procreate, it limits you to one partner. If procreation is the name of the game then you want many partners. Also there's no laws saying sterile people cannot marry. You must forget the fact that people cho(o)se only one partner, because it's safest method for procreation. The human infants are quite vulnerable compared to any other species' , and people figured out (that's why having a big brain helps) that having only 1 partner is good for the female (she can easily bring up her child since she has someone who can support them) and also for the male (100% chance for reproducing). So you can't really say it's against procreation. [before anyone said "but you don't need to live your whole live with someone 'cause your child grows up pretty fast and you could move on to a new partner", but why would you do it? you have someone, who'd most likely have more children; and people those days when marriage was invented didn't live for 60+ years] But dunno why marriage, as it now is, was invented. Guess people had too much time and money to kill. Noone really has any direct benefit from it. Still, it's an old cultural custom, and should be treated like that. This is the main reason I'm against gay marriage. It was invented for a man and a woman. Would you ban christmas trees, since those trees could hinder global warming? Or what about any (inter)national holidays? I've spoken to a lot of gay people and none of them could explain me, why is gay marriage good? Why is it even worth debating?
Why are you stuck in the past? Social customs change. Women weren't able to vote not that long ago? Do you disagree with that since it was an old fashioned tradition? You can't pick it choose which parts of the past are acceptable and which aren't. Gay marriage is good for all the reasons straight marriage is good, mainly It creates a loving family where gays are able to enjoy the benefits of marriage. Look how far our society has progressed. Gay marriage will be legal, history has already told us that. Answer this, how is it bad?
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On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder.
And this should prevent them from adopting because? You act like they are inhumane and unfit to raise kids because of this so called 'genetic disorder'. Just because you don't approve doesn't make it ok.
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On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder.
Haha wow, the amount of hate and stupidity. Oh man.
I'd rather have a gay couple raising my children than couple full of hate and bigotry
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I'm really astounding be the amount of intolerance in this thread.
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On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder. Yes of course you would currently resent your parents if they were gay seeing as you're a bigot.
If you grew up with your gay parents you would love them however, and be a normal, openminded individual.
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On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder.
So people also should not be cured when they have cancer or aids because its a genetic disorder?
Its completly false and there is no scientific evidence for it at all.
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On February 10 2012 06:52 LambtrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder. And this should prevent them from adopting because? You act like they are inhumane and unfit to raise kids because of this so called 'genetic disorder'. Just because you don't approve doesn't make it ok.
Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your children in a responsible same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry.
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Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry. So if your mother or father had a genetic disability that would limit his or her ability to raise you, you would resent them 'because it's wrong'? My god.
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On February 10 2012 06:54 Saltydizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:52 LambtrOn wrote:On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder. And this should prevent them from adopting because? You act like they are inhumane and unfit to raise kids because of this so called 'genetic disorder'. Just because you don't approve doesn't make it ok. Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your children in a responsible same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry.
At what point is having a forum for free discussion just pandering to bigots? And at what point should we silence them?
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On February 10 2012 06:54 Saltydizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:52 LambtrOn wrote:On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder. And this should prevent them from adopting because? You act like they are inhumane and unfit to raise kids because of this so called 'genetic disorder'. Just because you don't approve doesn't make it ok. Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry.
Do have any sort of evidence to back this up at all? I'm assuming you're just pulling this out of your ass. I know some children who were raised by a lesbian couple and there's absolutely no way to tell by talking to them. They are completely normal. They are loving, caring and tolerant. You could probably learn a few things from them.
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On February 10 2012 06:57 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry. So if your mother or father had a genetic disability that would limit his or her ability to raise you, you would resent her 'because it's wrong'? My god.
Well aids and cancer are something you develop. Married gay people cannot reproduce, therefore are at a disadvantage to regular married people.
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On February 10 2012 06:59 LambtrOn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:54 Saltydizzle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:52 LambtrOn wrote:On February 10 2012 06:48 Saltydizzle wrote:
Gay couples definately should not be able to adopt children, I know I would resent my parents if they were gay. It's genetics, sorry. The reason you are gay is because of a genetic disorder. And this should prevent them from adopting because? You act like they are inhumane and unfit to raise kids because of this so called 'genetic disorder'. Just because you don't approve doesn't make it ok. Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry. Do have any sort of evidence to back this up at all? I'm assuming you're just pulling this out of your ass. I know some children who were raised by a lesbian couple and there's absolutely no way to tell by talking to them. They are completely normal. They are loving, caring and tolerant. You could probably learn a few things from them.
My neighbors had children, then the man had a sex change, and they are now lesbian. You can see the effects it has on the kids.
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On February 10 2012 07:00 Saltydizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:57 Thorakh wrote:Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry. So if your mother or father had a genetic disability that would limit his or her ability to raise you, you would resent her 'because it's wrong'? My god. Well aids and cancer are something you develop. Married gay people cannot reproduce, therefore are at a disadvantage to regular married people.
So are infertile people. What's your point?
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On February 10 2012 07:00 Saltydizzle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:57 Thorakh wrote:Like Antyee wrote, its genetics that you have a parter that is stable will raise your childrena responsibe same way. Being raised thinking being gay normal, is just wrong, sorry. So if your mother or father had a genetic disability that would limit his or her ability to raise you, you would resent her 'because it's wrong'? My god. Well aids and cancer are something you develop. Married gay people cannot reproduce, therefore are at a disadvantage to regular married people. And your point is?
I believe being gay is some sort of disorder as well, but that does not mean they are not human beings that deserve the same rights as every other human being, and just like every other person with a genetic disorder.
My neighbors had children, then the man had a sex change, and they are now lesbian. You can see the effects it has on the kids. I wonder whether this is because it genuinely affected the kids, or because it affected the kids due to social stigmas surrounding the matter due to people like you, kids at school bullying them for it, people telling them their parents will go to hell, etc.
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