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Haven't seen a topic on this yet.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/08/us/washington-same-sex-marriage/index.html
+ Show Spoiler +A bipartisan group of lawmakers in Washington State voted Wednesday in favor of a bill that would legalize same-sex marriage, putting Washington on the path toward becoming the seventh state in the nation to legalize marriage for gay and lesbian couples.
"With today's vote, we tell the nation that Washington state will no longer deny our citizens the opportunity to marry the person they love," said Gov. Chris Gregoire, a Demorcrat who has vowed to sign it. "We tell every child of same-sex couples that their family is every bit as equal and important as all other families in our state. And we take a major step toward completing a long and important journey to end discrimination based on sexual orientation."
The law will go into effect in June, when the legislative session ends, unless opponents halt its implementation by putting it on the November 2012 ballot.
The 55-43 vote in the House included two Republicans in support of the bill. The Senate vote last week was 28-21 and included four Republicans.
Personal thoughts:
One state closer to a better America  . It's great to see gay marriage finally being legalized in some states, and I think that with time gay marriage will eventually be legal in most or all of the U.S. It's long overdue, anyway. I lol'd at this little quote in there:
+ Show Spoiler +"If we as a state are going to take the position that mothers and fathers are interchangeable and replaceable, if we are going to send a message to fathers and potential fathers in this state that it isn't important to be in the lives of their children because dads specifically don't matter, that is something we should all do together," he said last month.
That's an incredibly misleading quote that a lot of people would fall for, I'm sure. Anyway, a good day for gay rights in the U.S.!
Note for any people outside the U.S. that don't know U.S. states: This is referring to Washington, a state in northwestern U.S., not Washington D.C., the capital the U.S.
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Just heard about this. Incredible news and makes me still have a little bit of belief in America.
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mostly democratic states vote yes on gay marriage. Southern states and republican majority states will vote against because they are anti gay or don't support it because of their church/ religion. Plus the amount of money churches put in to stop these things from passing is insane.
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Finally. Between this and proposition 8's downfall, things are looking better for gay rights.
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You can thank Microsoft for this. From what I heard they threatened to move their business out of the state.
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On February 09 2012 11:39 Boblhead wrote:
mostly democratic states vote yes on gay marriage. Southern states and republican majority states will vote against because they are anti gay or don't support it because of their church/ religion. Plus the amount of money churches put in to stop these things from passing is insane.
Of course. But, as with slavery and minority/women's rights, I think eventually the southern states will relent. It won't be soon, but I believe it will eventually happen. But yeah, that is true
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Good news.
BTW, could the title be changed to emphasize that this is Washington State, and not Washington DC (and thus Congress and the US as a whole)? Because I was kinda excited, and then let down to see that it was just the state of Washington.
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Great news for Washington, I'm so proud.
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Every little bit counts. For a country that prides itself on personal freedom, the freedom to marry who you love should not be an issue. Oh well, great things take time.
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You know. I live in the damned state that Started this whole thing. GO MASSACHUSETTS!!!
I may not be gay or a lesbian but. Who the hell cares what sex you want to love or be with. Doesn't really matter as long as your happy.
Thank you Washington...for once..you do something right.
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On February 09 2012 11:57 Probulous wrote:
Every little bit counts. For a country that prides itself on personal freedom, the freedom to marry who you love should not be an issue. Oh well, great things take time.
It really isn't that easy, but this is good
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Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion.
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Good thing for America and humanity!
Rainbow power!
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On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion.
It appears the US is on a slippery slope towards becoming a free country.
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On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion.
I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down.
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Good movement forward in my opinion. I'm guessing that it's still gonna take a while for most states to pass it since the majority of America still considers itself a Christian nation (I am a Christian myself, not trying to troll).
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On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down.
You say they are born with it, than why does it matter if they can get married? It's not like you're going to convince one of them to turn straight, and thus reproduce anyways.
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On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down.
That's your problem. You're living in the 19th century. Anyway, the debate is besides the point. Government should not be deciding who you can marry. As long as both participants are mentally capable of making an informed decision (ie you can't marry your dog) then why should others have any say in who you decide to spend your life with?
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On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down.
Homosexuals still have the capacity to have kids, so if they really wanted to, they could pass on their genetic material. The desire to have sex that can lead to reproduction, however, is more maladaptive, especially since we are overpopulated. By your seemingly biologically reductionist logic homosexuals are superior to heterosexuals (a view I would find offensive as a heterosexual).
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On February 09 2012 13:00 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:55 Yosho wrote:On February 09 2012 12:49 bRiz wrote:
Don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's a positive answer to a problem being experienced in the GLT community, but I personally prefer to keep marriage between a man and a woman, though I don't think I'd vote for a restriction like that. Just a personal opinion. I wouldn't vote for this to pass but if I would vote to not let is pass. Although even in nature gay animals exist, I feel it's like any other deficiency that people / animals can be born with. One of the sole thing we rely on to define life is reproduction. You cannot do this naturally on gay people. Not to be rude but I don't count this as a step up, but as a step down. You say they are born with it, than why does it matter if they can get married? It's not like you're going to convince one of them to turn straight, and thus reproduce anyways.
I figure it goes against nature. Why support it further? Mentally ill people who are born with deficiency's also should be restricted on what they can and can't do. I would not like a mentally handicapped person to operate extremely heavy machinery. And I don't think gay people should marry. I feel it's a defilement of what marriage is.
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