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On February 16 2012 02:30 Ungrateful wrote: Lol at people who use the metric system and "weigh" themselves in grams and relate it to pounds. Learn your own system please, mass does not = weight.
Really?!?! Wow I guess you should tell, like, everyone.
Thanks for that smartass.
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Have a friend who is an engineer, uses the metric system at work. I helped him put up some crown molding in his master bedroom. We used a metric tape and fuck me if its not a shitload easier. I've done a billion construction projects with the imperial system, so it's not like i'm a rookie. But when you're working in finish carpentry where you have to measure in 16ths or 32nds of an inch, forget about it.
Whats easier to remember a measurement for? 89 13/16" or 226.8 cm? Made life a hell of a lot easier and I ended up buying a metric tape measure for when I do larger jobs that need fine measurements.
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Unfortunately living in the US has accustomed me to the imperial system, even though I feel metric is a superior system
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On February 16 2012 00:54 Oshuy wrote:Show nested quote +Time cannot be based on a power of 10. The Earth spins a complete revolution roughly 365.25 (leap year takes into account the decimals) times per cycle around the sun.
In terms of breaking up a day into powers of 10, well I suppose it could be done. It could be done and it has been a number of times (see Decimal Time) Usual way to do it is to decide 1 day = 10 hours, 1 hour = 100 min, 1min = 100 secs. It is now a bit late to make the change, but it wouldn't bother me much to wake up at 2: 75 instead of 6:36 ... Of course, attempts to turn a 365.25 year into decimals get a bit strange. The french republican calendar proposed weeks of 10 days, month of 30 days each, then 12 months and additional days "as necessary". (see french republican calendar) Note that other calendars have juste ruled out the fact that 1 year=1 earth cycle around the sun, which then allows to define a year of 1000 days. (question that would arise for example if we ever get to other planets: why keep a strange year value that matches an orbital time of this planet ?) The metric system is based on our planet as well. One meter is 1/10 000 000 of the distance between the equator and the North Pole. 
Btw, I'm obviously using the metric system (look at my country) and would love if we would change the way we measure time to a decimal system. 10 hours/day, 100 min/hour and 100 seconds/minute would make much more sense. Days, months and years would be harder to change, both theoretically and practically.
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Well here in sweden we use metric so I think thats the better system and "standard" is confusing xD
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I use the Imperial system in day-to-day life because living in America warrants it, although the American schooling system has taught me the Metric system and how to convert common measurements back and forth. I know my weight and height in both Imperial and Metric off the top of my head, and I can convert distances (miles to kilometers, feet/inches to centimeters) and temperatures (Fahrenheit to Celsius) back and forth pretty easily. Doing weight conversion (pounds/ounces to kilograms) takes a bit longer, and I can't do volume conversion (pint/quart/gallon to milliliter/liter) without reference at all.
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On February 16 2012 03:33 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 00:54 Oshuy wrote:Time cannot be based on a power of 10. The Earth spins a complete revolution roughly 365.25 (leap year takes into account the decimals) times per cycle around the sun.
In terms of breaking up a day into powers of 10, well I suppose it could be done. It could be done and it has been a number of times (see Decimal Time) Usual way to do it is to decide 1 day = 10 hours, 1 hour = 100 min, 1min = 100 secs. It is now a bit late to make the change, but it wouldn't bother me much to wake up at 2: 75 instead of 6:36 ... Of course, attempts to turn a 365.25 year into decimals get a bit strange. The french republican calendar proposed weeks of 10 days, month of 30 days each, then 12 months and additional days "as necessary". (see french republican calendar) Note that other calendars have juste ruled out the fact that 1 year=1 earth cycle around the sun, which then allows to define a year of 1000 days. (question that would arise for example if we ever get to other planets: why keep a strange year value that matches an orbital time of this planet ?) The metric system is based on our planet as well. One meter is 1/10 000 000 of the distance between the equator and the North Pole.  Btw, I'm obviously using the metric system (look at my country) and would love if we would change the way we measure time to a decimal system. 10 hours/day, 100 min/hour and 100 seconds/minute would make much more sense. Days, months and years would be harder to change, both theoretically and practically.
The meter is defined on the speed of light.
Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metre
Since 1983, it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1 ⁄ 299,792,458 of a second.
Edit: Oh.... you mean orginally. XD Whoops.
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The only part of metric that I cant get used to is temperature.
A mental block with the F>C conversion or something, but if someone says it was 30 C...I need to do math in my head.
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I always curse the high heavens for being born under the Imperial system when I'm baking cakes.
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i cant understand shit of the the imperial system... "im 7 feet tall..wat"
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As an engineering student, I'm offended even by the notion of using standard units. SI ftw.
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On February 16 2012 05:37 Jerubaal wrote: I always curse the high heavens for being born under the Imperial system when I'm baking cakes. To be fair baking is a mess in europe as well. Here in sweden we use litre, decilitre, tablespoon (15ml), teaspoon (5ml), 1ml (altough we call it "kryddmått", spice-measure...) In sweden we usually measure flour in volume, while in for example italy, they measure in weight. its a bit messy...
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On February 16 2012 00:12 Abraxas514 wrote:This isn't entirely true. 1kg at g=9.81 m/s (exactly sea level) is ~2.2lbs. kg is a measure of mass, lb of weight. More accurate would be to say 9.81 newtons is 2.2#. But yeah, I'm a canadian engineer and having to learn both systems is awfull. Officially, we don't use imperial the same way England doesn't, but that doesn't stop non-government related goods and services from using the system. But in a couple generations, imperial will dissapear, the only exceptions I can see are people's height and buying large quantities of weed (funny how you buy by gram -> ounce -> pound).
huhu same in australia you buy weed by gram/ounce(who the fuck buys a pound of mj)
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On February 01 2012 03:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:26 ThaZenith wrote:On February 01 2012 03:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:15 Chargelot wrote:On February 01 2012 03:08 Maxie wrote:Metric, Celsius, 24 hour clock. It's the way to go, really.  You know that Americans use a 24 hour day too, right? LOL. 12 or 24. But similar enough. For what it's worth, Fahrenheit is a lot more descriptive when talking about temperatures here on Earth too. Maybe not as helpful in all of science, but definitely when it comes to our weather. But metric >>> imperial all the way (coming from an American math educator). Why would Fahrenheit be more descriptive? If you've heard temperatures your entire life ofc you'll understand what the weather feels like at a temperature. Just like hearing Celsius, i know exactly how hot/cold it'll be out. That does make sense (that being brought up learning one system means you'll be fine hearing it). I just mean that there is a larger scale of numbers to work with in Fahrenheit (as far as regular Earth temperatures are concerned)... going from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit only covers from to -18 to 38 degrees Celsius. A range of 56 degrees is far less descriptive than a range of 100. I'd rather be more accurate in integers than need to resort to decimals colloquially. Perhaps that's just a personal preference though, and (as I said before) that probably takes a backseat to any important, objective scientific applications.
right..... do you know at what temperature water freezes? 0 Celsius or 32 fahrenheit do you know at what temperature water boils? 100 Celsius or 212 fahrenheit
i can totally see the logic there
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On February 16 2012 08:05 Manimal_pro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 03:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:26 ThaZenith wrote:On February 01 2012 03:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 01 2012 03:15 Chargelot wrote:On February 01 2012 03:08 Maxie wrote:Metric, Celsius, 24 hour clock. It's the way to go, really.  You know that Americans use a 24 hour day too, right? LOL. 12 or 24. But similar enough. For what it's worth, Fahrenheit is a lot more descriptive when talking about temperatures here on Earth too. Maybe not as helpful in all of science, but definitely when it comes to our weather. But metric >>> imperial all the way (coming from an American math educator). Why would Fahrenheit be more descriptive? If you've heard temperatures your entire life ofc you'll understand what the weather feels like at a temperature. Just like hearing Celsius, i know exactly how hot/cold it'll be out. That does make sense (that being brought up learning one system means you'll be fine hearing it). I just mean that there is a larger scale of numbers to work with in Fahrenheit (as far as regular Earth temperatures are concerned)... going from 0 to 100 degrees Fahrenheit only covers from to -18 to 38 degrees Celsius. A range of 56 degrees is far less descriptive than a range of 100. I'd rather be more accurate in integers than need to resort to decimals colloquially. Perhaps that's just a personal preference though, and (as I said before) that probably takes a backseat to any important, objective scientific applications. right..... do you know at what temperature water freezes? 0 Celsius or 32 fahrenheit do you know at what temperature water boils? 100 Celsius or 212 fahrenheit i can totally see the logic there
He's not arguing that it's necessarily more logical, and in general I agree that metric is better, but I think you could be more accepting of other points of view. While I do think metric is superior in almost every way even though I use imperial I actually do like Farenheit. I'm sure it's largely because I'm used to using it but I also think that having a 100 degree scale that covers almost all of the temperatures I actually need to use on a day to day basis is much easier than the Celsius scale which has to go into negatives more frequently and stops being useful for day to day temperatures probably around 40-45. The fact that I find the 100 degree scale easier actually uses the same logic that metric does for being better in every other way, now for science and logic yes I think Celsius and even moreso Kelvin are better but I think Farenheit of all of the imperial measurements is one of the best for day-to-day.
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On February 16 2012 02:50 divinesage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 02:42 Chenz wrote:On February 16 2012 02:30 Ungrateful wrote: Lol at people who use the metric system and "weigh" themselves in grams and relate it to pounds. Learn your own system please, mass does not = weight. I'm confused here. Both grams and pounds are units of mass, so why wouldn't you relate the two? Regarding mass being confused with weight, that might be a translation issue. In Sweden, weight can be translated to both "vikt" and "tyngd", where "vikt" is a synonym to mass. Most swedes correctly use the synonym for mass when speaking of grams in swedish. Actually mass can equal weight. 1 pound-mass has an equivalent force of 1 pound-force. Similarly, a kilogram-mass has an equivalent value to 1 kilogram-force. But of course we rarely use kilogram-force. We normally just use Newtons. Also, to be honest I dislike the imperial system because I don't see much of a reason retaining it when I have to go through all those painful conversions from pounds to kilograms or gallons to metre^3. It's just time consuming when I have to do that as an engineering student.
What kind of dumb fucking engineering are you studying?
1 pound is the amount of force that 1/32.2 of a slug exerts when acted upon by an acceleration of g. 1 pound = 4.45 newtons.
And torque and stress are all measured in composite units like pound-foot or pounds per square inch (psi), the same way metric uses composite units for things like polar moment of inertia.
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I find the concept of measurements based on arbitrarily selected objects of varying size so exhilarating that I hereby propose its extension into the realm of digital technology.
From now on, 1 Gigabyte will equal 0.2714 plastic discs, a plastic disc being 6 music discs, and 26 plastic discs being a spindle. Already, we can see how much easier visualizing data becomes! "Dude, Frank's movie collection is 3 spindles 4 plastic discs!" "My new hard drive can store 31 spindles!"
You need units of a magnitude far above or below household proportions? No problem! Simply pick one of innumerable nouns pertaining to manifest objects, create your own, and let the empire see to its adoption!
_____________________________________________________________________________________ Written on my iStone with the power of 1522 pocket calculators and 12 moderately well operated abaci
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On February 16 2012 02:50 divinesage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 02:42 Chenz wrote:On February 16 2012 02:30 Ungrateful wrote: Lol at people who use the metric system and "weigh" themselves in grams and relate it to pounds. Learn your own system please, mass does not = weight. I'm confused here. Both grams and pounds are units of mass, so why wouldn't you relate the two? Regarding mass being confused with weight, that might be a translation issue. In Sweden, weight can be translated to both "vikt" and "tyngd", where "vikt" is a synonym to mass. Most swedes correctly use the synonym for mass when speaking of grams in swedish. Actually mass can equal weight. 1 pound-mass has an equivalent force of 1 pound-force. Similarly, a kilogram-mass has an equivalent value to 1 kilogram-force. But of course we rarely use kilogram-force. We normally just use Newtons.
Mass and weight are completely different things. The only relationship 1 pound-mass has to 1 pound-force is that at this arbitrary location in the universe that we like to call the surface of the earth, one pound of mass will experience a gravitational force with a magnitude of 1 pound-force.
The system of using Newtons is much smarter, in my opinion, because it is based on a fundamental relationship between mass and force that is true anywhere in the universe: that the acceleration on an object is equal to the force exerted on it divided by its mass.
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Hi,
I agreed with you. Any way, your points of view make me thinking about some thing for my project.
Pls try to keep posting. Tks and best regards
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On February 16 2012 03:33 Batch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 00:54 Oshuy wrote:Time cannot be based on a power of 10. The Earth spins a complete revolution roughly 365.25 (leap year takes into account the decimals) times per cycle around the sun.
In terms of breaking up a day into powers of 10, well I suppose it could be done. It could be done and it has been a number of times (see Decimal Time) Usual way to do it is to decide 1 day = 10 hours, 1 hour = 100 min, 1min = 100 secs. It is now a bit late to make the change, but it wouldn't bother me much to wake up at 2: 75 instead of 6:36 ... Of course, attempts to turn a 365.25 year into decimals get a bit strange. The french republican calendar proposed weeks of 10 days, month of 30 days each, then 12 months and additional days "as necessary". (see french republican calendar) Note that other calendars have juste ruled out the fact that 1 year=1 earth cycle around the sun, which then allows to define a year of 1000 days. (question that would arise for example if we ever get to other planets: why keep a strange year value that matches an orbital time of this planet ?) The metric system is based on our planet as well. One meter is 1/10 000 000 of the distance between the equator and the North Pole.  Btw, I'm obviously using the metric system (look at my country) and would love if we would change the way we measure time to a decimal system. 10 hours/day, 100 min/hour and 100 seconds/minute would make much more sense. Days, months and years would be harder to change, both theoretically and practically.
Time in terms of the orbit of the earth is a fairly rigid relativistic system. Obviously it works for us now based on the fact that 100% of all humans occupy within 500 miles of the earth, however once we start becoming less and less dependent on a single planet keeping dates and time based on the orbit of the earth is not very ideal. Einstein showed us that time doesn't flow equally across the universe, as such using a fixed way to measure the date is inaccurate and that travelling near the speed of light slows the speed of time.
With such factors it is fairly complicated to make a system of dating period, let alone a system that fits within the metric system. Also factoring in that we have units of measurement that depend on our 365 day year (light year) means that it is fairly unlikely to have a system that is metric for dating in the near future.
If you actually try to conceptualize what could be the basis for a new system of dating its absolutely mindboggling. (this is also a funny double entendre)
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