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On January 21 2012 06:49 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:47 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. Imperial and metric have different units only in length, area, volume and mass. Time has nothing to do with this debate. LOL, it has no place in this debate because you know it doesn't make sense. Your whole argument against the Imperial system is that it is irregular and everything should be in 10's. But you don't even follow your own guidelines when it comes to time. Here's my question, why exactly is it that you use irregular units for time? Maybe is it that you were raised with them and you don't want to switch? 
To be fair, time is based on solar activity and is absolutely the one area of measurement where everybody needs to be on the same page.
Imagine if some people were using the Roman calendar, some the Mayan calendar, and a third subset was using a metric system where a day was a gigasecond or something.
As an example, a kilosecond would be ~17 minutes, a megasecond would be ~11.5 days, and a gigasecond would be ~31.5 years. It just scales up too quickly.
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On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units.
I'm sorry, but your whole argument here is that because time units aren't as regular as metric units (and yet, it's regular when dealing with time faster than 1 second, and 60 seconds into 60 minutes is considerably more regular than 12 inches into 3 feet), we shouldn't bother trying to use the metric system over the imperial system?
That's sorta petty, no?
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On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units.
Your logic is about as clear as the imperial system. You don't even seem to understand what this discussion is about.
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On January 21 2012 06:59 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:56 ZasZ. wrote:On January 21 2012 06:21 lololol wrote:On January 21 2012 02:32 ZasZ. wrote:On January 21 2012 02:24 snIJIJzer wrote:Might be posted but still oblig pic While I get that the Imperial system is unintuitive and wonky, I never got that stupid month/day/year pyramid. I take it then that Europeans write it Day/Month/Year? Do you say it that way? If not, then it makes no sense. At least in the U.S., we spell out a date as January 20th, 2012. Thus, it makes the most sense to write it in shorthand as 1/20/2012. It has nothing to do with the relative length of the spans of time. If you don't get it, it's not the pyramid that's stupid. Ho ho ho, a one-liner insult. How clever. Should add a "tro-" to the front of your handle. I didn't get it because I don't know how Europeans say dates. The kind poster up there ^ said that you say it Day/Month/Year, in which case it makes sense to write it Day/Month/Year. But in the U.S., we don't say "The 20th of January, 2012," except in legal documents. We say "January 20th, 2012," in all other instances. That's why we write it that way. I don't get the pyramid because it's a silly thing to nitpick over and doesn't really affect anyone, just seems to be thrown out there by people who want to say "lol stupid americans." I get why people have a beef with the Imperial system, since it's confusing and we're pretty much the only country that uses it. Why they feel the need to demand we change, I'll never be able to guess. It does affect many people when pretty much only the US Americans say it like that and when one of them talks to somebody who isn't from the US about any topic which could include a date(you know, like here in the forum).
By "affect" I mean actually have an affect on someone's life. Having to clarify yourself to be able to communicate to people on the internet doesn't count. You just spell out the month and be done with it if you think the way you type dates will be misconstrued.
"Everybody else does it this way," is not a good excuse to spend valuable time and money switching to a different system of measurement. It wouldn't really take any effort at all for an individual to change the way they write dates to "dd/mm/yyyy" but suddenly none of the people around them know what the fuck they're talking about. It takes a massive amount of effort to get everybody to do it that way, and it's honestly just not worth the hassle.
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On January 21 2012 07:20 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units. Your logic is about as clear as the imperial system. You don't even seem to understand what this discussion is about.
His logic is actually pretty clear. The metric unit of time is the second. Theoretically, then, the metric system would measure time in seconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds, etc.. Unfortunately this just isn't practical because it scales up too quickly.
He, however, fails to address the fact that time is based off of solar activity and is the one area where it's important that everyone in the world uses the same system of measurement.
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On January 21 2012 07:16 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units. I'm sorry, but your whole argument here is that because time units aren't as regular as metric units (and yet, it's regular when dealing with time faster than 1 second, and 60 seconds into 60 minutes is considerably more regular than 12 inches into 3 feet), we shouldn't bother trying to use the metric system over the imperial system? That's sorta petty, no?
60, 60 is fine, then 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, like 28-31 days per month (wtf lol), 12 months per year, 52(ish) weeks per year, 365.25 days per year.... yeeaaahhh. That's not regular at all. My point is you say the Imperial system is dumb because its irregular and people should use metric because its more efficient. Well you yourself use the irregular time system because it more efficient for you. To most Americans its more efficient to use the system they know that to switch to something they don't know. How you the European Union react if you proposed changing to decaseconds and such? They would never do it because they realize its impractical to switch a large amount of people to something they are completely unfamiliar with.
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On January 21 2012 07:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units. I'm sorry, but your whole argument here is that because time units aren't as regular as metric units (and yet, it's regular when dealing with time faster than 1 second, and 60 seconds into 60 minutes is considerably more regular than 12 inches into 3 feet), we shouldn't bother trying to use the metric system over the imperial system? That's sorta petty, no? 60, 60 is fine, then 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, like 28-31 days per month (wtf lol), 12 months per year, 52(ish) weeks per year, 365.25 days per year.... yeeaaahhh. That's not regular at all. My point is you say the Imperial system is dumb because its irregular and people should use metric because its more efficient. Well you yourself use the irregular time system because it more efficient for you. To most Americans its more efficient to use the system they know that to switch to something they don't know. How you the European Union react if you proposed changing to decaseconds and such? They would never do it because they realize its impractical to switch a large amount of people to something they are completely unfamiliar with.
I rest my case.
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well i live in usa, so i have to use standard :s
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On January 21 2012 07:25 Luepert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:16 JinDesu wrote:On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units. I'm sorry, but your whole argument here is that because time units aren't as regular as metric units (and yet, it's regular when dealing with time faster than 1 second, and 60 seconds into 60 minutes is considerably more regular than 12 inches into 3 feet), we shouldn't bother trying to use the metric system over the imperial system? That's sorta petty, no? 60, 60 is fine, then 24 hours per day, 7 days per week, like 28-31 days per month (wtf lol), 12 months per year, 52(ish) weeks per year, 365.25 days per year.... yeeaaahhh. That's not regular at all. My point is you say the Imperial system is dumb because its irregular and people should use metric because its more efficient. Well you yourself use the irregular time system because it more efficient for you. To most Americans its more efficient to use the system they know that to switch to something they don't know. How you the European Union react if you proposed changing to decaseconds and such? They would never do it because they realize its impractical to switch a large amount of people to something they are completely unfamiliar with.
They also wouldn't do it because it would take 31.5576 megaseconds for the Earth to revolve around the Sun. Does that become a new "year?" Do we do away with years and just use seconds? What about the rest of the world that operates on a Roman calendar? International relations would go completely haywire.
Time is a completely different ballgame from length/weight/etc.
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On January 21 2012 07:25 ZasZ. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:20 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:52 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:50 SilentchiLL wrote:On January 21 2012 06:43 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:30 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 06:27 Luepert wrote:On January 21 2012 06:08 Cokefreak wrote:On January 21 2012 05:55 Luepert wrote:
I think everyone uses minutes and hours. The only unit of time in metric is seconds. :D What? Nobody says, "wow that game was at least 20 killoseconds long!" or "hey ill be with you in 6 decaseconds." People use minutes and hours. Are you serious? You think someone using metric would say that? No, I know they obviously do not, but according to the metric system they should. Metric people run around saying "oh oh look at us, we multiply everything by ten instead of your dumb 3, 12, multiple of 3 system" but they actually use 60/60 for time. I just find it amusing. If you find that amusing you'd die laughing if you'd see the US system as a European. I know my system is messed up, and I'm ok with that, the thing I laugh at is the people insulting it use irregular time units. Your logic is about as clear as the imperial system. You don't even seem to understand what this discussion is about. His logic is actually pretty clear. The metric unit of time is the second. Theoretically, then, the metric system would measure time in seconds, kiloseconds, megaseconds, etc.. Unfortunately this just isn't practical because it scales up too quickly. He, however, fails to address the fact that time is based off of solar activity and is the one area where it's important that everyone in the world uses the same system of measurement.
How is anything besides the day and year based on solar activity? We could redefine an hour as 1/10 of a day and a minute as 1/10of an hour. Then the only irregularities would be the ration of 365.25 rotations per revolution. To 60/60/24/7 bullshit makes no sense and has good practical explanation.
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In science, I use metric, ul, uM, ect. I can't imagine using standard for volumes that small, making dilutions would be much more difficult. Unfortunately, being in the us I am forced to use standard nearly everywhere else.
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The world outside US uses non-SI units quite a lot too. For example calories are used for nutritional value instead of joules. So we can't really criticize them until we standardize everything ourselves.
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Combination of both in Canada, but mostly metric.
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On January 21 2012 07:28 Br3ezy wrote:
well i live in usa, so i have to use standard :s
When I buy a liquid, it is often measured in both ounces and liters. Buy alcohol, and it's always in liters. Food is also often listed in grams, as are all of the nutritional information on the back of a package. In all my classes in college, I used metric. Speed, mass, etc. in physics in the US is metric. My car can switch between miles and kilometers at the press of a button.
Basically, it's a hybrid system in the US. Everyone in the US uses both but we seem to be ignoring that fact.
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On January 21 2012 07:52 Tanukki wrote:
The world outside US uses non-SI units quite a lot too. For example calories are used for nutritional value instead of joules. So we can't really criticize them until we standardize everything ourselves.
Metric =/= SI, and this thread is about metric/imperial, not SI.
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Honestly this is a stupid topic to discuss. If you live in the few places of the world that use Imperial units, you MUST use them in most situations. You can't stop using a system that has been in use throughout the development of a country. Metric is more simple, yes, but stop bitching about how shitty Imperial is. If it was possible to abolish it and use metric, we would. But WE CAN'T.
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metric, makes more sense, easier to have a concept and to calculate
imperial is a middle age thing that somehow survived
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Time measurement: 60-60-24-365
And everybody uses the same, world is strange.
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no option for both? I understand both, and use both depending on who i'm talking to. I grew up in the states, so I'm primarily Standard/Imperial, and I can judge distances this way easily because I grew up with it. Would I have liked to have learned metric instead Sure, but I didn't, so I took it upon myself to better understand dimensional measurements of the metric system. I mean we learn the metric system in our math/science courses of course, but that's not until high school/college but it's not what we are 'used' to. Does it really matter?
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On January 21 2012 07:55 Cokefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2012 07:52 Tanukki wrote:
The world outside US uses non-SI units quite a lot too. For example calories are used for nutritional value instead of joules. So we can't really criticize them until we standardize everything ourselves. Metric =/= SI, and this thread is about metric/imperial, not SI.
SI is the official system of measurement in most countries, and it is the modern version of the metric system. "Metric system" and "SI system" are synonymous.
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