EPTonly pretentious people make pretentious art!
you can quote me on that.
Pretentiousness within Digital Photography. - Page 3
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Keyboard Warrior
United States1178 Posts
only pretentious people make pretentious art! you can quote me on that. | ||
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Distortionz
United States133 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:05 Kardrion wrote: I generally like your design concept. I would be hesitant in explaining it as an expose on the pretentiousness of art because that seems to be somewhat different from the point you're going for. As I understand your criticism, it is that art has a tendency to inflate objects with meaning beyond that which they hold (or which the average person ascribes to them). In other words, why can't a tree just be a tree? Pretentiousness carries a connotation of intentionality that I don't think you're going for. It's pretentious if I deliberately ascribe meaning to something I myself think is BS in order to put on a show of being cultured. If I actually see meaning in it, then there is no pretense. It seems like you're most interested in the object rather than the culture around art, and I think focusing on that avoids a lot of the ad hominem arguments that tend to pop up. Another thing to think about is what you see as left when you strip all of these meanings from an object. Is it a kind of pure, simple beauty or is there nothing left? Or would you prefer to say that it's an empty vessel that's sitting there to be filled with whatever meaning someone puts into it (this is a potential metaphor you could run with)? I do like the idea of a series of images. Perhaps the best, and most helpful post yet by far. I think you nailed it spot on. So if I don't run with the idea of pretentiousness, what would I call it, and do you think I should go with the series I have in mind, or change it a bit? | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Distortionz
United States133 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:23 MoonBear wrote: While some forms of modern art can be rather questionable, there still is some good art out there with a lot of thought behind it. Banksy produces some really nice stuff. I'm a big fan of Banksy actually. I love his art | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
The fence is to keep people in, not out. Out from the working world, the contributing society and into the invisible lot that everybody sees, but chooses not to look. Try a photo like that, can't get any dumber to make shit up about it | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
Don't even get me started on things like the film, Adaptation, which uses a self referencing pretentious story about a self referencing pretentious story to tell us that self-reference pretentiousness is bad. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:53 Fishgle wrote: As soon as people make art for art's sake, when poets try to define poetry instead of enjoy it, when painters realize that its merely color upon a canvas, when film makers break the 4th wall just to make their film edgy, etc. All of these things make one pretentious. Don't even get me started on things like the film, Adaptation, which uses a self referencing pretentious story about a self referencing pretentious story to tell us that self-reference pretentiousness is bad. Woody Allen disagrees on the fourth wall thing. | ||
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Scruffy
United States4 Posts
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Scruffy
United States4 Posts
On December 09 2011 03:53 Fishgle wrote: As soon as people make art for art's sake, when poets try to define poetry instead of enjoy it, when painters realize that its merely color upon a canvas, when film makers break the 4th wall just to make their film edgy, etc. All of these things make one pretentious. Don't even get me started on things like the film, Adaptation, which uses a self referencing pretentious story about a self referencing pretentious story to tell us that self-reference pretentiousness is bad. pre·ten·tious Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. Who are you to say what is valuable and what is not?? | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On December 09 2011 08:41 Scruffy wrote: pre·ten·tious Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed. Who are you to say what is valuable and what is not?? Philosophically...the only person whose opinion has any meaning for him as far as art is concerned. That's who. Literally...he may be an art critic  who knows? lol | ||
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justjoe09
United States27 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
Then if you want to make a statement about pretentiosness, take that picture of someone expressing themselves, print it, and then throw a bunch of paint on it and take a picture of that. Use the same process and have like a dying flower without a pot sitting in front of the freespirit picture. I would recommend that whatever obstructions you use should be shot in the center of the photograph, or framed in whatever way best gives a sense of surrealism. This should be contrasted with the freespirit picture being shot in the way that it gives the impression that it was done in the spur of the moment. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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