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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
then when people attach meaning to it go "BOOM LOOK HOW PRETENTIOUS YOU ARE!!" That seems pretty rude to your audience. If your art inspires emotion and is seen as valuable by your audience you should be appreciative and proud, seems like you just want to troll your class imo. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
of course, that's the simple explanation of how to go about it, but you can always try to step into the artist's shoes and attempt to read into who they were when they made something. then try to photograph it in a way you think they would try to. | ||
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DMII
Germany92 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:39 stokes17 wrote: seems like you just want to troll your class imo. Which is perfectly fine, since trolling also is a art. | ||
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Pyskee
United States620 Posts
Funny thing is, they're right :\ | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:42 DMII wrote: Which is perfectly fine, since trolling also is a art. Well, yes and no. If you can straight face troll someone in a TV interview- props and well played If you make a piece of art that people appreciate and relate to, and then go TROLOLOLOL this isn't really art NOOB, I just made it to show you how pretentious you all are. yea doing this is difficult because it involves creating a piece of art (read: not simply a picture),but you're also being an Ass and disrespecting the medium. You, as an artist, don't have the luxury of defining what your art means. So saying it has no meaning, is also something you don't get to do as an artist, and attempting to do so in an Art class will probably come off as rude. | ||
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sOda~
United Kingdom441 Posts
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
Also, it's your responsibility as an artist to come up with your own ideas, instead of simply painting imitations of other people's art which doesn't meet your approval. Otherwise why bother? | ||
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sambour
Canada62 Posts
I know some art is bad, but we don't need more bad art about bad art. It's not clever and it's boring. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:27 Mortal wrote: Modern art is pretense basically. Hipsters taking pictures of nothing. sounds about right. take pictures of anything you want. stand in 1 spot on the street in a city and take 7 pictures. then babble about emotions. no work required ya? anybody can buy a machine and click buttons. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Take a picture of that picture. (art commentary) Take a picture of that picture of a picture (pretentious + commentary) | ||
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Distortionz
United States133 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:35 stokes17 wrote: I think you missed my point. The value the viewer attaches to a piece of art... is its value. If I think "At Eternities Gate" is about a man at his absolute wits end about to end his life, then the artists opinion on the matter is irrelevant. Further if an artist is trying to force a singular interpretation onto his audience, he is not a very good artist. Unless you want to talk about bad artists who try and force a singular interpretation onto the viewer? Or critics who try and force their interpretation onto the artist? I guess you are going for the 2nd? idn Good artists aren't pretentious and good critics aren't pretentious... so why would you want to talk about bad artists/critics in your final project? The viewers assign meaning for the artist not for themselves. People will try and say things like "What Shakespeare meant was THIS" instead of This passage means this to me. I'm saying people assign meaning FOR the artist, instead of what the art means to them. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
"The artist was trying to capture the pretentiousness of modern photography by taking purposefully meaningless photos. It's really a powerful statement about the art world and it's frivolous conceptualizations."  | ||
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Distortionz
United States133 Posts
I talked to her about how I don't like the culture behind art and even literature where too much meaning is given to simple things. Nothing ever seems to be good enough just as it is. Why cant the picture of the sunrise just be a picture of a sunrise, or a "nice-looking" picture. There always seems like there needs to be a meaning behind the picture regardless of what or why the artist took the picture. So maybe we are getting a bit off topic; My goal is to, with your help come up with an idea for my final project. I can't simply take a picture of a "troll" on my laptop as I need a series of 7, and preferable a series that relates to one another. My best idea is to have a picture of solid black, almost like that of Kazimir Malevich and his "Black Square" art piece. Kazimir_Malevich - Info ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/Malevich.black-square.jpg/605px-Malevich.black-square.jpg) Black Square, 1915, Oil on Canvas, State Russian Museum, St. Petersburg Following the similar style photo, I would have 5 photo's that abstractly represent the meaning others might give to the black square. The meanings people have given to his "black square art" ranges from "It is a feeling", "Represents a void", "painting beyond painting", "Black square is god", and so on. I would take the pictures in a way that you could get the idea that it represents these things, without directly stating it. All of these "meaning" photos would have a light X mark placed over the photo trying to say This is not what this photo mean and then the last photo would either be the black square again, or something that represents itself, like a solid black photo with only the words. "This is it" or something along those lines. Link to Black square meanings Please let me know what you guys think. How do you think I could go about this better or if I need/should change my thought process. | ||
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couches
618 Posts
On December 08 2011 08:26 Distortionz wrote: A quote I enjoy and keep on my mind all the time while writing and creating music:It's come to the end of the semester and is time for my Final Project for "Introduction to Digital Photography". I've thought a lot about what I am going to do. (We need 7 High quality images in RAW) and as a way to help me with my project and discuss this culture behind art I made this thread. I always start by thinking what does or will this picture mean, and then try to capture a picture that matches that meaning. Thats when I started thinking about the Pretentious nature of art and how no matter what I take a picture of, I as the artist can give whichever meaning I want to it. If I take a picture of a cactus in a desert, I could say that it represents the human race. In an otherwise desolate land of kind human interaction there is hope, life, or even growth. My point is, I decided I am going to try and take 7 photo's that capture pretentiousness in Art and I need your help. I've thought about just trying to take as simple photos as I can or even something like a solid black print and when people try to add meaning like saying it represents a void or depression during critique I will shut them down and say "No, its just black ink on paper, thats what I was going for." What do you think is the best way to capture pretentiousness in Art within a Digital Photo, and how do you feel about it? ![[image loading]](http://idiommag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/the-true-artist-400x600.jpg) The True Artist Makes Useless Shit For Rich People To Buy created by Bert Rodriguez Related Links: A great interview with Bert Rodriguez What's the point of creating art for expression if the artist just explains it? | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
There is no special substance to art that you can measure. All the "worth" is implemented by the individual consumer of said piece. This in turn is why man feels the need to create art and why it "works". Objectively measured art is worthless. Of course same can be said for anything related to humans. | ||
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KT s0ng
Korea (South)88 Posts
In addition, you don't like idiots, which is quite universal. The difficult thing would be to actually attempt the project. Google Henri Cartier Bresson. He didn't care about his photos or what they meant, so I think you would like him. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
I will never understand getting a university degree in photography. What's a photography final exam? Take a picture of a broken fence in winter? | ||
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Kardrion
United States8 Posts
Another thing to think about is what you see as left when you strip all of these meanings from an object. Is it a kind of pure, simple beauty or is there nothing left? Or would you prefer to say that it's an empty vessel that's sitting there to be filled with whatever meaning someone puts into it (this is a potential metaphor you could run with)? I do like the idea of a series of images. | ||
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