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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:16 LorDo wrote: If this passes in the US, it's likely to jump on the next boat over the atlantic. It's not likely because,as they mentioned many times during the argument,the EU with our laws is heading in the complete opposite direction comparison to this bill. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:14 Manit0u wrote: Let us pause for a moment here: Does this concern only people located in the US? If so: I belive that the fuck I wanted to give went that way! There's a meme for this but TL.net disaproves. its affect all DNS ISP in US which is one of the biggest service provider in the world. Half of the internet in the world will be censored unless the owner move their website out of US. Not even counting all the complicated law suits you could file abusing the law(currently bill) itself internationally. | ||
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ManaFortress
Sweden23 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:16 LorDo wrote: If this passes in the US, it's likely to jump on the next boat over the atlantic. Nah, Europe has already takes its stnd, and is going in the other direction. However if this is passed alot of trouble with servers in the states will occur and dipolomatic relations between US, and EU/Russia/China will diterioate. On December 16 2011 10:18 NB wrote: its affect all DNS ISP in US which is one of the biggest service provider in the world. Half of the internet in the world will be censored unless the owner move their website out of US. Not even counting all the complicated law suits you could file abusing the law(currently bill) itself internationally. No, since US national law doesn't apply to other countries. | ||
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LorDo
Sweden485 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:17 Kazeyonoma wrote: weeks/months this is jsut to amend the current bill, after however many ammendments are voted on, it'll end up being finally voted upon to see if it gets passed, if ti does from the council then it'll move up to the house of reps, where it'll be voted, and if passed, will go up to the senate, voted, and if passed, go to obama, and obama will veto it, it'll go back to the house, where it'll need 2/3rd vote to pass, which then goes to senate and requires another 2/3rd vote to pass, FINALLY to become law, in which case, someone can plead that this violates their constitutional rights, take it to the supreme court, and THERE a precedence will be set and cannot be suaded by lobbyist. How do you know Obama will veto it? If your vision is correct it sounds really good. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:18 ManaFortress wrote: Nah, Europe has already takes its stnd, and is going in the pther direction. However if this is passed alot of trouble with servers in the states will occur and dipolomatic relations between US, and EU/Russia/China will diterioate. No, since US national law doesn't apply to other countries. Yes, but the US government can shut down the US websites. ofc it said websites move out of the US then w/e | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:08 LorDo wrote: Could someone explain all this to someone who isn't that into US Law. They just voted no on one amendment by Mr.Shaiffer or something. Now Mr. Issa is up. What are they doing exactly? Do they all have different versions of the law or they want to change the original bill? Or have they not voted on that yet? It's a bit confusing for me. So right now the bill is in a committee in the lower house of Congress (the House of Representative). A committee is just a small bipartisan group tasked with figuring the initial draft out. They've been debating for weeks and making their own proposals, and today was going to be the day they planned on voting. However, they've been going back and forth trying to have their own ideas added and others' ideas removed so they haven't voted yet. Anyway, once they pass the bill in the committee, it then goes to the floor of the full House where every Representative votes. Here everyone will probably argue over the bill for a few days, and the bill will likely be substantially revised. If it eventually passes by a simple majority after a vote, it moves to the Senate where they basically do the same thing and vote. By the time Senate votes, the bill is going to be pretty different than what it used to be. Regardless, they will vote, it will pass or fail and it goes to the president. He can either sign it into law or veto it. If he signs it, it becomes a law and the Supreme Court can (and will in this case) review it to determine it's constitutionality. If Obama vetos it, it will go all the way back to the House and start over, but this time they will need a 2/3rd vote to pass it (so the bill will change even more and more). The Senate will also need a 2/3rd vote to override the veto. If this happens, it becomes law and the Supreme Court will review it. No matter what, the final bill will be drastically different from what it is now, and it will take months to pass if it even does. And even after it passes (which is highly unlikely), it then still won't really go into effect for probably a year or so. | ||
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ManaFortress
Sweden23 Posts
Obama (or his aide) have already said that he will veto it. However it can still pass even if he veto it, but then the court will need more then 2/3 of the total votes. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:20 LorDo wrote: How do you know Obama will veto it? If your vision is correct it sounds really good. He's threatened to veto similar net neutrality bills in the past, effectively ending their debate in Congress since the Democrats won't really go against him and the Republicans don't have 2/3rds of the houses nor do all the Republicans support the bill. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:14 Manit0u wrote: Let us pause for a moment here: Does this concern only people located in the US? If so: I belive that the fuck I wanted to give went that way! There's a meme for this but TL.net disaproves. Great attitude. "Well, this might not directly impact me, so sucks for you." Also, it does. If you visit US based websites, if you know of any blogs you visit which can heavy web traffic from the US, this DIRECTLY effects them and you. Want to start a website that is relevant to SOPA? Say goodbye to your visitors from the US. Oh, and let's not forget this could a scary precedent worldwide. Don't you think governments from other nations have their eyes on this, some of them thinking, "Well, the US is taking a major step in this. It would be easy to follow in their footsteps." This isn't a matter that effects only Americans. If you can't think of a reason to care about your fellow netizens because they aren't countrymen, you'll get no sympathy when it happens to you. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:18 ManaFortress wrote: No, since US national law doesn't apply to other countries. the problem is majority of internet digital company is located in US: Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, twitter... The sever that iss hosting Youtube, for example, will simply shut 90% of facebook contain down. You wont be able to post a picture on facebook if somebody copyrighted it under US law... | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
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jchan
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:24 Zalithian wrote: This old geezer. Oh man. He doesn't even make any sense. he is the one who wrote the bill =)) | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
I thought it was Smith? | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:22 NB wrote: the problem is majority of internet digital company is located in US: Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Facebook, twitter... The sever that iss hosting Youtube, for example, will simply shut 90% of facebook contain down. You wont be able to post a picture on facebook if somebody copyrighted it under US law... Exactly. And on top of that, many sites and services that aren't in the US still receive a majority of their traffic from Americans, so cutting the US off from them would still destroy their income. US page views are worth a lot of money comparatively. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:28 Ben... wrote: What the hell is this guy saying? I'm actually tuning in now. You guys aren't kidding, these people are crazy. Why is he talking about credit card companies? He is basically saying that the companies need immunity or they will support rogues sites forever because they could be sued for shutting down service, which is of course WRONG. | ||
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Dryzt
Canada118 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:25 jchan wrote: i think its time we all rebel, the NDAA and SOPA too unconstitutional and powerful pushing for a big govt. This is a government for the people and by the people. These bills are not negotiable from the start. NDAA violates the 4th, 6th directly and possibly more amendments. SOPA directly violates the 1st in free speech and media/press. We the people are the bosses of the government and these government slaves work for us. let's not let them misunderstand this relationship. If we dont like it, we change it, by force if we have too. Our freedoms are not negotiable and can't be vote upon. Amen! | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 16 2011 10:29 Zalithian wrote: Okay thanks, he was kinda incomprehensible.He is basically saying that the companies need immunity or they will support rogues sites forever because they could be sued for shutting down service, which is of course WRONG. This Issa guy seems to know his stuff. I wish they would let him talk more than the crazy people. | ||
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