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On November 03 2011 09:40 whatwhatanut wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 09:35 Mafs wrote:
Sorry but social science, or the inquiry method is NOT scientific at all. Behavioral psychology and social sciences have no real "evidence" to back them up. They only make correlations, but do not specify causation. When your child's IQ gets smaller if you beat them, maybe you beat them because they are too stupid to make normal decisions in the first place. Correlation does not mean causation, which is why those studies are trying to say. IF they explained how beating/spanking caused psychological trauma, and trauma is the causation for lower IQ values then I would accept it. I think its more like spanking reduces the child's freedom, and desire to explore and do things that will develop their learning under the threat of a little pain.
Spanking anyone under 4 years old is completely retarded, which half of those studies did. If they spanked 5-10 year old when they are really out of line, example would be screaming, crying and throwing a tantrum in the middle of public warrants a spanking. This is the case for a 16 year old teenager. I see highschoolers smoking weed, fighting each other, and getting drunk all the time and the parents are not responsible at all. Yet when a man of law (over spanks due to anger and lack of control) tries to discipline his daughter for committing an illegal act it's suddenly child abuse? Half of those studies show spanking a child that doesn't understand a 50ml glass full of water contains less water than a 1L bottle half full reduces their IQ by 4 points at most, and maybe might have sexual problems(I don't think hitting a child with a belt can anyway cause sexual problems later on in life. But hitting their butt with your hand, or light spanking might because it has a COMPLETELY different effect.) Consider embarrassment vs pain. Which will more effect psychologically in the future? I think embarrassment because it makes the person insecure about themselves and might cause their sexuality to change in one way or another.
Don't try to justify your position with studies you didn't even look at other than the title, or how they obtained the data and on what age groups. Saying some "social" scientists think something is true is no different than someone saying, tachyons are real. Please take a course in the social sciences before considering it a valid and completely prestigious science. The subject is too young to say that. If you are unwilling to accept correlation as evidence for not beating children I really don't think anyone is going to be able to suggest anything about the human experience which you could accept. Aside from medical documentation all psychological knowledge of human interaction is based on corollary science.
I am willing to change if you can explain a good mechanism by which you become more stupid by being spanked. The only thing they have is correlation, not causation. I am not willing to accept correlation as evidence. And corollary science is not real science. Its speculation/inferences based on your own knowledge. If I told you the more food you eat, the more fit you get, would you believe it? Of course not because common knowledge says otherwise. But I forgot to mention you also exercise 12 hours a day. I can provide the mechanism by which eating massive amounts of calories makes you more fit. You exercise burning off those calories but you need the protein from the food to gain overall muscle mass and sculpt your body. You gain overall muscle mass but do not gain weight. Look at Olympic trainers.
Provide by an equal mechanism by which spanking causes lower IQ. Or lets make it easier, trauma because if you spank your child you traumatize them, making them lose trust in you. Give me one mechanism for this to happen that is accepted or proven and I will change my mind instantly. But remember this is early childhood spanking, not 5-10 years old of the child at spanking. I have not seen any studies that show spanking at that age will have any negative effect(honestly because I don't care about this issue and too lazy to search for it, can you please do that for me?)
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On November 03 2011 09:54 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Lol at the people saying its "disgusting, horrible, despicable ect...". Its a beating what do you expect? Beatings aren't suppose to be pretty.What's funnier - for me at least- is that those posts are primarily coming from the US. It was a house RULE - no matter how stupid we make it out to be - it was put in place. She broke it - she got punished. The end.
<3 Rearing the Asian stories btw.
The problem is it went past punishment and firmly into the realms of abuse.
I'm not sure how you think thats amusing. She broke a rule, she should be punished, not abused. If this kind of shit is the norm in your neck of the woods then I dunno.
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On November 03 2011 09:54 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Lol at the people saying its "disgusting, horrible, despicable ect...". Its a beating what do you expect? Beatings aren't suppose to be pretty.What's funnier - for me at least- is that those posts are primarily coming from the US. It was a house RULE - no matter how stupid we make it out to be - it was put in place. She broke it - she got punished. The end.
Also this brought back memories. *Sigh* good times lol. I remember doing the exact same thing she did. Took 15-20 lickings to my legs because I wouldn't give my parents my ass to be beat. Legs hurt 10x more so I don't know why I ever did it. This isn't bad at all. There's really no mental scars. You'll be hurting for the next 2-3 days but really that's all. She's not even really crying at all towards the end. And the parents do explain why she got beat and why they were upset with her.
Its not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Last beating I had was 14. My younger sister was 16 because she did something really stupid. All in all instilled discipline/made me learn. Have nothing against my parents for beating me. 99% of the beatings I got I KNEW I did something wrong.
I'd say 75% of my CLOSE family members cousins/uncles/aunts are heavy into drugs or in prison doing LONG sentences. Varying from drug trafficking to killing of their wife. Grew up in a bad part of town. I remember hearing jokes when I was younger from family about me being beat with the belt by my dad and how they were going to send their kids to live with us so they would learn to behave. I actually thank my parents for beating me looking back at things and comparing myself to the people I grew up with that were never touched.
<3 Rearing the Asian stories btw.
House rules arent the law of the land,i'm glad she turned out evidence because that was probably life scarring.I feel sad for you knowing that you can be so void of emotions even to the point to make up random statistics about stuff to justify violence or say that it happened to you.It is a big deal and no human being should go thro this.
The term “crime of violence” means—
(a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or
(b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.
Principle 9
The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation. He shall not be the subject of traffic, in any form.
The child shall not be admitted to employment before an appropriate minimum age; he shall in no case be caused or permitted to engage in any occupation or employment which would prejudice his health or education, or interfere with his physical, mental or moral development.
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On November 03 2011 09:55 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 09:50 Elroi wrote:On November 03 2011 09:40 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 09:15 h41fgod wrote:
Until disproved or improved, conclusions made by the scientific method are factual. Your main reason for misunderstanding seem to be lack of realization of the disconnect between fact and ultimate truth. If that's where I've been wrong, and this is indeed true, then I'll admit I was wrong. I've never heard that explanation though. The first thing I see under "fact" under dictionary.com is something that actually exists; reality; truth:So I don't know, if that's how it's treated, it doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to the idea I've misunderstood the scientific method's conclusions about things. Doesn't the scientific method mean that everything could be proven wrong. I don't think it means however that we should go around doubting everything. In a way I can't know that Washington exists as long as I haven't been there, but I would be stupid to doubt that it does exist. In the same way I would be stupid to doubt the existence of evolution or the bad implications of child abuse. Ok? What's your point? My point was that your argument that the scientific method means that we cannot know anything is absurd.
I wasn't making that point. The entire argument originated when some guy was saying that because there have been many studies done, and all of said studies have yielded the same conclusion, we can always conclude something. I said that that was a bunch of bullshit because things such as physical discipline are very subjective - just as is a ton of shit involving psychology. Also, not everyone is the same. I stated that I disagreed with HIM that his statement that a bunch of studies in psychology means you can create a 100% proof of something, he stated that I wasn't merely disagreeing with him but the entire scientific method.
So once again, I don't understand where you're coming from.
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On November 03 2011 09:54 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
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I'd say 75% of my CLOSE family members cousins/uncles/aunts are heavy into drugs or in prison doing LONG sentences. Varying from drug trafficking to killing of their wife. Grew up in a bad part of town. I remember hearing jokes when I was younger from family about me being beat with the belt by my dad and how they were going to send their kids to live with us so they would learn to behave. I actually thank my parents for beating me looking back at things and comparing myself to the people I grew up with that were never touched.
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Sounds like wild west.
May I enlighten you to what the mother and daughter actually think? The people directly involved?
Hallie Adams writes: "I am praying for my daughters and me and my family to heal in all ways from emotional and physical abuse, for the current and continuing abuse of my children and me that has been ongoing to end - starting now - for my daughters to both finally be able to go to counseling both individually and as a family group with their Dad's approval, encouragement, involvement and support, for him to finally make amends to all of us, talk openly with us, and take the first steps to letting our broken family heal."
Her daughter, Hillary Adams told us today she uploaded the video on October 27th to bring attention to the problems she says she had when she was younger. "My father's harassment was getting really bad, so I decided to finally publish the video that I had been sitting on for 7 years," Adams said.
Source: http://www.kztv10.com/full-coverage/judge-videotaped-beating-daughter/#fcanchor
Thing is, I am not familiar with American rainbow press. I hope this source is valid.
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On November 03 2011 09:08 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:04 h41fgod wrote:On November 03 2011 09:00 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 08:57 arbitrageur wrote:On November 03 2011 08:55 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 08:49 Mohdoo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:43 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 08:38 Mohdoo wrote:On November 03 2011 08:27 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 08:10 Mohdoo wrote:
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The bolded cannot be taken seriously. It is common for children to excuse the rash behavior of parents in a lot more extreme of cases than spankings. And your point of it not being "that bad" is also irrelevant. It is scientifically proven to be an inferior method of parenting. You will never meet a psychologist who says otherwise. Its honestly like saying the world is flat in the world of psychology. Pain/violence in parenting is plain and simply inferior and leaves the possibility of changing the child for the worse, even if only slightly sometimes, it can be much worse other times. Your single case where you can not even objectively view yourself is just silly. And it still neglects the fact that it isn't even debatable.
This is a really big issue, of course, as physical punishment is really common in less educated/enlightened societies. There are also bits of it left over from people who just go about parenting the way their parents did. A couple generations ago, it was normal. But because it is such a big deal in the development of people, it has been THOROUGHLY studied.
I'm not trying to be rude here. I am just trying to articulate just how transparent this issue is in the field of psychology. Just because it's not the optimal method doesn't mean it should be banned. And I'm speaking generally. Psychology has generally deemed it a less effective method, not a counterproductive method, I believe. It's still up to the parents do decide what they think is best for their child given the circumstances, as long as it isn't taken too far. Of course, I'm speaking generally of physical punishment, not of this case in particular. On November 03 2011 08:27 Mohdoo wrote:
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Have you missed the posts in this thread that outline the fact that smacking children is less effective and can even be detrimental to the behavior of a child? Parents should not be permitted to hit a child, as it is not an issue with 2 sides to it, scientifically speaking. There is a complete consensus among psychologists that physical punishment is not only less effective, but has the potential to damage a child, even if only in small ways. Physical punishment can harm a child a little, a lot, or not at all. But it will *never* yield better results than mature, proper parenting techniques. I challenge anyone in this thread to find a scholarly paper saying otherwise. Stop speaking in absolutes, every situation is different. You're being ridiculous at this point. Even if five million studies were conducted and 100% yielded the same result, you can't keep using "always" and "never" because there will always be unique situations that haven't been studied. The reason that the psychology deems is plain and simply bad is the fact that it has never been shown to be superior, and in fact has a chance at teaching children poor communication skills, having anger problems, being too relaxed about hitting people, or having poor self-esteem, as well as plenty of other issues. None of these issues are guaranteed, but the fact that these issues occur at all, when not a single one is necessary to parenting, makes it plain and simply stupid. Its like choosing to buy a package of candy where there is a 10% chance of there being a rock in one of the pieces, as opposed to the package of candy where there is a 0% chance of there being a rock in a piece of candy. Parents should not have the freedom to do something which can only hope to be as effective as other methods, never better, and with a chance of negative consequences. Especially when physical methods are shown to be less effective at changing child behavior as well as do a worse job at communicating, in detail, why what the child did was wrong. Never a benefit, always a risk. Its just silly. Also please read the article generously posted below: Thanks for posting this! Well, quite simply, I disagree for you. Just because something has been proven to be a 100% better method doesn't mean that it should be implemented. Norway has shown amazing success with their prison rehabilitation system compared to ours, it doesn't mean we should do the same if we value criminal punishment in addition to rehabilitation. If it was scientifically proven that timeout for periods of more than 30 minutes would always yield less ideal results than something like doing chores, and that time outs, due to the solitary confinement, could yield to slightly less confidence than a child might otherwise exhibit, should we ban it too? You're not disagreeing with me. You're disagreeing with the scientific method and an entire field of research. If you trust in the scientific method in other applications, your disagreeing with the scientific method in this case can only be attributed to bias. Your insistence to use personal bias as reasoning to dismiss science is saddening, but has at least resolved this discussion. In the end, you prefer personal bias and experiences over the scientific method. There's really nothing more to be said, but I appreciate your collected and mature responses. No, I'm not. Don't be an asshat about it. Nothing has been proven, so please, stop trying to shove such views down other people's throats, it's ridiculous. What you're saying is the equivalent of "if you don't believe in evolution, you don't believe in the scientific method." Completely, utterly, ridiculous. Stop trying to bring in your stupid bias arguments into the picture when using the scientific method as an argument isn't even applicable because I never said that physical punishment has ever shown to yield better results. You have a narrow view of "proven". Nothing can be "proven" in scieince. READ THE RESEARCH Fucking Christ people. How is this research even relevant. I never said I agree that physical punishment is better. In fact, it very well might not be, ever. I personally have NEVER been beaten by my parents, nor do I think parents should beat their children, nor will I ever beat my children. But none of this is relevant to the goddamn argument I was making. Fuck. And if nothing can be proven, then that's exactly why his point is validated in the goddamn first place. 1. You do not understand the scientific method. 2. We already shove the principle of only permitting violence in self defence down peoples throats. Why should children not be included? The scientific method is only used to make conclusions about the world around us. As new evidence comes in, it is considered, and we use it in an attempt to get a better understanding. At no point does the scientific method ever attempt to determine something is factual. Previous poster I'm arguing with was stating it was factual information. All I did, in essence, was state that you cannot determine it to be completely factual information with absolutes. Can you explain to me more about the scientific method then and elaborate on what I'm mixing up?
No, the scientific method provides evidence that increases the likelihood that certain things are true. The thing itself is true or false, and the scientific method provides evidence for it. If you deny the evidence, then say it outright and we can look closer.
If science showed that one thing is strictly better than the other, then yes of course we should do that thing. Doing otherwise would be foolish. However, many times things tend to be more complicated than that.
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On November 03 2011 10:05 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:55 Elroi wrote:On November 03 2011 09:52 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 09:50 Elroi wrote:On November 03 2011 09:40 FabledIntegral wrote:On November 03 2011 09:15 h41fgod wrote:
Until disproved or improved, conclusions made by the scientific method are factual. Your main reason for misunderstanding seem to be lack of realization of the disconnect between fact and ultimate truth. If that's where I've been wrong, and this is indeed true, then I'll admit I was wrong. I've never heard that explanation though. The first thing I see under "fact" under dictionary.com is something that actually exists; reality; truth:So I don't know, if that's how it's treated, it doesn't make sense to me, but I'm open to the idea I've misunderstood the scientific method's conclusions about things. Doesn't the scientific method mean that everything could be proven wrong. I don't think it means however that we should go around doubting everything. In a way I can't know that Washington exists as long as I haven't been there, but I would be stupid to doubt that it does exist. In the same way I would be stupid to doubt the existence of evolution or the bad implications of child abuse. Ok? What's your point? My point was that your argument that the scientific method means that we cannot know anything is absurd. I wasn't making that point. The entire argument originated when some guy was saying that because there have been many studies done, and all of said studies have yielded the same conclusion, we can always conclude something. I said that that was a bunch of bullshit because things such as physical discipline are very subjective - just as is a ton of shit involving psychology. Also, not everyone is the same. I stated that I disagreed with HIM that his statement that a bunch of studies in psychology means you can create a 100% proof of something, he stated that I wasn't merely disagreeing with him but the entire scientific method. So once again, I don't understand where you're coming from.
This is what I think:
On November 03 2011 09:40 whatwhatanut wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 03 2011 09:35 Mafs wrote:
Sorry but social science, or the inquiry method is NOT scientific at all. Behavioral psychology and social sciences have no real "evidence" to back them up. They only make correlations, but do not specify causation. When your child's IQ gets smaller if you beat them, maybe you beat them because they are too stupid to make normal decisions in the first place. Correlation does not mean causation, which is why those studies are trying to say. IF they explained how beating/spanking caused psychological trauma, and trauma is the causation for lower IQ values then I would accept it. I think its more like spanking reduces the child's freedom, and desire to explore and do things that will develop their learning under the threat of a little pain.
Spanking anyone under 4 years old is completely retarded, which half of those studies did. If they spanked 5-10 year old when they are really out of line, example would be screaming, crying and throwing a tantrum in the middle of public warrants a spanking. This is the case for a 16 year old teenager. I see highschoolers smoking weed, fighting each other, and getting drunk all the time and the parents are not responsible at all. Yet when a man of law (over spanks due to anger and lack of control) tries to discipline his daughter for committing an illegal act it's suddenly child abuse? Half of those studies show spanking a child that doesn't understand a 50ml glass full of water contains less water than a 1L bottle half full reduces their IQ by 4 points at most, and maybe might have sexual problems(I don't think hitting a child with a belt can anyway cause sexual problems later on in life. But hitting their butt with your hand, or light spanking might because it has a COMPLETELY different effect.) Consider embarrassment vs pain. Which will more effect psychologically in the future? I think embarrassment because it makes the person insecure about themselves and might cause their sexuality to change in one way or another.
Don't try to justify your position with studies you didn't even look at other than the title, or how they obtained the data and on what age groups. Saying some "social" scientists think something is true is no different than someone saying, tachyons are real. Please take a course in the social sciences before considering it a valid and completely prestigious science. The subject is too young to say that. If you are unwilling to accept correlation as evidence for not beating children I really don't think anyone is going to be able to suggest anything about the human experience which you could accept. Aside from medical documentation all psychological knowledge of human interaction is based on corollary science.
Just brushing aside a scientific discipline and a large body of evidence like that is not a good argument.
Anyway, as we both agree that this judge is acting like a savage and endangering the psychological health and the future of his daughter I see no real point in arguing anymore. You don't belive in psychology, fine.
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this is just too fuckign disgusting, we should just impale the fucking hell out of this fucking idiot.
this is the kind of things that make me sotp beliving in humanity
True story : i was "spanked" harder than her some times with a bbelt when i was in elementary
now? well 2 years ago(im 22) i beat the fuck out of my Dad for that, now i went to boxing classes for this / and ive made my parents apologize like hell for this.
im not saing she should do the same but hell will karma win when both of those fucking retards go to jail and are raped by 15 guys/girls a day
Edit: not trying to start a flame war but videos/stories/people like this just make my day very sick
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i honestly have to ask. have your parents never beat you before? in your entire lives, your havent ever had a moment where the situation was so ridiculously insane your parents had to beat some sense into you?
okay i know this case was for a extremely stupid reason, but i honestly think this is just one of those things that everyone experiences but no one wants to talk about. it seems that the western world seems to think that being completely positive and using constructive criticism is the only way. get real. it may sound bad, but in the end being strict benefits.
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On November 03 2011 10:26 Brutaxilos wrote:
i honestly have to ask. have your parents never beat you before? in your entire lives, your havent ever had a moment where the situation was so ridiculously insane your parents had to beat some sense into you?
okay i know this case was for a extremely stupid reason, but i honestly think this is just one of those things that everyone experiences but no one wants to talk about. it seems that the western world seems to think that being completely positive and using constructive criticism is the only way. get real. it may sound bad, but in the end being strict benefits.
Nope. It has never happened to me or to anyone of my brothers. I don't even know anyone here that has been beaten by their parents.
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On November 03 2011 10:00 Mafs wrote:
If I told you the more food you eat, the more fit you get, would you believe it? Of course not because common knowledge says otherwise. But I forgot to mention you also exercise 12 hours a day. I can provide the mechanism by which eating massive amounts of calories makes you more fit. You exercise burning off those calories but you need the protein from the food to gain overall muscle mass and sculpt your body. You gain overall muscle mass but do not gain weight. Look at Olympic trainers
That's actually completely wrong. First of all, you don't exercise to burn calories. You consume calories to help you exercise. Secondly, you don't sculpt your body by increasing muscle mass. You sculpt your body by cutting body fat percentage which involves consuming less calories than you use. In the process of doing this, you WILL lose some muscle mass. The idea is to have enough so that once your body fat percentage is down, you still have a lot of muscle left over.
Better luck next time.
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On November 03 2011 10:26 Brutaxilos wrote:
i honestly have to ask. have your parents never beat you before? in your entire lives, your havent ever had a moment where the situation was so ridiculously insane your parents had to beat some sense into you?
okay i know this case was for a extremely stupid reason, but i honestly think this is just one of those things that everyone experiences but no one wants to talk about. it seems that the western world seems to think that being completely positive and using constructive criticism is the only way. get real. it may sound bad, but in the end being strict benefits.
Yep. I got beat quite a bit and so did all my friends growing up in Korea when I was little. I dont know about now days but it was culturally accepted (I doubt it has changed..) And when I got beat, I fucking deserved it. I turned out fine, have a great relationship with my parents. I know it was just tough love.
Yeah the video looks really bad and the dood definitely lost it. But I don't know the full story nor do I care.
Edit: If he really turns out to be some sick psycho fuck, then of course I think he should pay paid for his madness.
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A jewel found on reddit.
ARANSAS COUNTY, TEXAS - Judge Burt Mills has today announced that Aransas County is aware of the video posted on YouTube regarding County Court-at-Law Judge William Adams, and the matter is now under review by the Police Department. Please refrain from communication with County offices or the Sheriff's Department on this matter until the review has been completed. Calls, emails, and faxes only create disruptions for other ongoing county business. The public's cooperation would be most appreciated.
Source: http://www.aransascountytx.gov/courtatlaw/?update=true
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On November 03 2011 10:31 hahayoulose wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:00 Mafs wrote:
If I told you the more food you eat, the more fit you get, would you believe it? Of course not because common knowledge says otherwise. But I forgot to mention you also exercise 12 hours a day. I can provide the mechanism by which eating massive amounts of calories makes you more fit. You exercise burning off those calories but you need the protein from the food to gain overall muscle mass and sculpt your body. You gain overall muscle mass but do not gain weight. Look at Olympic trainers That's actually completely wrong. First of all, you don't exercise to burn calories. You consume calories to help you exercise. Secondly, you don't sculpt your body by increasing muscle mass. You sculpt your body by cutting body fat percentage which involves consuming less calories than you use. In the process of doing this, you WILL lose some muscle mass. The idea is to have enough so that once your body fat percentage is down, you still have a lot of muscle left over. Better luck next time.
Wow, you sure do know a lot about the body building and being fit. Maybe I chose the wrong word, not fit, but strong with massive muscle mass. You gain muscle mass by exercising but if you don't have enough food to eat you won't gain any muscle but start losing weight because you exercise more then you eat. If I am wrong please explain why. From what I know, you gain muscles from exercising, and having enough nutrients for your body to build the mass. And no, I'm not wrong in my original statement. Maybe for the word fit I am. But you don't become fat if you exercise and eat. You have to eat more to exercise more. There is a mechanism which is what I'm talking about. Which I do not see in the studies which correlate IQ dropping and spankings.
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smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this.
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On November 03 2011 10:26 Brutaxilos wrote:
i honestly have to ask. have your parents never beat you before? in your entire lives, your havent ever had a moment where the situation was so ridiculously insane your parents had to beat some sense into you?
okay i know this case was for a extremely stupid reason, but i honestly think this is just one of those things that everyone experiences but no one wants to talk about. it seems that the western world seems to think that being completely positive and using constructive criticism is the only way. get real. it may sound bad, but in the end being strict benefits.
No. Never heard of anyone getting beat.
If parents beat their children in norway, they lose their children to child protection.
Watching that video is sickening, but even worse is discovering that there actually are people that think beating children is OK. Barbaric!
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To many people, what happened isn't even technically a beating. That's mild stuff right there to them.
Clearly, standards of disciplining children vary around the world.
What is sickening is the enjoyment he took in hurting her.
EDIT: too much "sickening" and "disgusting" in this thread. need more synonyms. stomach-turning, etc
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On November 03 2011 10:03 mrafaeldie12 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:54 BuGzlToOnl wrote:
Lol at the people saying its "disgusting, horrible, despicable ect...". Its a beating what do you expect? Beatings aren't suppose to be pretty.What's funnier - for me at least- is that those posts are primarily coming from the US. It was a house RULE - no matter how stupid we make it out to be - it was put in place. She broke it - she got punished. The end.
Also this brought back memories. *Sigh* good times lol. I remember doing the exact same thing she did. Took 15-20 lickings to my legs because I wouldn't give my parents my ass to be beat. Legs hurt 10x more so I don't know why I ever did it. This isn't bad at all. There's really no mental scars. You'll be hurting for the next 2-3 days but really that's all. She's not even really crying at all towards the end. And the parents do explain why she got beat and why they were upset with her.
Its not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. Last beating I had was 14. My younger sister was 16 because she did something really stupid. All in all instilled discipline/made me learn. Have nothing against my parents for beating me. 99% of the beatings I got I KNEW I did something wrong.
I'd say 75% of my CLOSE family members cousins/uncles/aunts are heavy into drugs or in prison doing LONG sentences. Varying from drug trafficking to killing of their wife. Grew up in a bad part of town. I remember hearing jokes when I was younger from family about me being beat with the belt by my dad and how they were going to send their kids to live with us so they would learn to behave. I actually thank my parents for beating me looking back at things and comparing myself to the people I grew up with that were never touched.
<3 Rearing the Asian stories btw. House rules arent the law of the land,i'm glad she turned out evidence because that was probably life scarring.I feel sad for you knowing that you can be so void of emotions even to the point to make up random statistics about stuff to justify violence or say that it happened to you.It is a big deal and no human being should go thro this. Show nested quote +The term “crime of violence” means—
(a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or
(b) any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense.
Show nested quote +Principle 9
The child shall be protected against all forms of neglect, cruelty and exploitation. He shall not be the subject of traffic, in any form.
The child shall not be admitted to employment before an appropriate minimum age; he shall in no case be caused or permitted to engage in any occupation or employment which would prejudice his health or education, or interfere with his physical, mental or moral development.
Shouldn't have wrote an actually percentage. My apologies on that. Would of been better just to say a large percentage of the people I knew while growing up. She's 16 house rules are the laws of the land. This sounds bad, but as children we are fed and given a roof over our heads. If our parents ask us not to do something we should do our best to respect them and not do it. Of course that's never how it works out because as teenagers were all knowing beings.
She wasn't beat for taking food into her room at night because she was hungry - that in my opinion would never be justified and would be ridiculous. But she made the conscious decision to disobey her parents in doing something that she did not have to do and they TOLD her not to do it. She probably knew the punishment for disobeying them, but she still CHOSE to do it. I.e. the punishment was validated. Was it justified? In my opinion it wasn't too bad. Guaranteed you she probably didn't do it again.
Also what the fuck is up with people saying this is disgusting then continue to say I want to kill, fuck, punch, impale her parents for doing this to her. Really? There might be a slight disconnect between what your start your post with and how you end it.
On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote:
smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this.
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On November 03 2011 10:53 Mafs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:31 hahayoulose wrote:On November 03 2011 10:00 Mafs wrote:
If I told you the more food you eat, the more fit you get, would you believe it? Of course not because common knowledge says otherwise. But I forgot to mention you also exercise 12 hours a day. I can provide the mechanism by which eating massive amounts of calories makes you more fit. You exercise burning off those calories but you need the protein from the food to gain overall muscle mass and sculpt your body. You gain overall muscle mass but do not gain weight. Look at Olympic trainers That's actually completely wrong. First of all, you don't exercise to burn calories. You consume calories to help you exercise. Secondly, you don't sculpt your body by increasing muscle mass. You sculpt your body by cutting body fat percentage which involves consuming less calories than you use. In the process of doing this, you WILL lose some muscle mass. The idea is to have enough so that once your body fat percentage is down, you still have a lot of muscle left over. Better luck next time. Wow, you sure do know a lot about the body building and being fit. Maybe I chose the wrong word, not fit, but strong with massive muscle mass. You gain muscle mass by exercising but if you don't have enough food to eat you won't gain any muscle but start losing weight because you exercise more then you eat. If I am wrong please explain why. From what I know, you gain muscles from exercising, and having enough nutrients for your body to build the mass. And no, I'm not wrong in my original statement. Maybe for the word fit I am. But you don't become fat if you exercise and eat. You have to eat more to exercise more. There is a mechanism which is what I'm talking about. Which I do not see in the studies which correlate IQ dropping and spankings.
Yes, you gain muscle mass by straining your muscles and providing the body with what it requires to repair the damage in those muscles. You build muscle because the body overcompensates.
But you're wrong on the second point. The "but you don't become fat if you exercise and eat" point. That's wrong. Anyone making a serious attempt to gain muscle mass also gains a lot of fat. That's called the "bulking" phase. A bodybuilder, for example, eats without much concern for their physical appearance at that point in the cycle. The goal is just to gain a certain amount of muscle mass. Then they enter the "cutting" phase, which is where you eat at a caloric deficit in an attempt to lose body fat. You can't gain muscle without gaining fat and you can't lose fat without losing muscle. The key is to properly manage your diet and exercise routine to maximize the thing you want and minimize the thing you don't.
Anyone who tells you that you can lose fat and get buff at the same time is wrong. Any gains you might get would come from improper management of your diet and it would take much longer to see any positive effects.
Edit: Oh, and if I were you I'd be mindful of overtraining. Working out for 12 hours a day doesn't really help either. At a certain point you're just not being effective and putting too much strain on your body.
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On November 03 2011 10:57 rei wrote:
smart kid, fuck over the hands that feed her, ruins her own family's financial potential. The real asshole parents would kick the child out and tell her to get a job and feed herself. Stop downloading pirated games is not a hard request, go buy the games with daddy's allowance for crying out loud. she might really have to go feed herself now if daddy can't find a job because of this.
Clearly, this is bait.
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