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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:32 gameguard wrote: first of all you dont fucking hit a daughter no matter what... nothing can justify it. For sons, it could be acceptable as long as its within limits. I mean you shouldnt go buck wild on an 8 year old because he stole a dollar from your wallet to go play at the arcade or something. But the most important thing is to make sure they UNDERSTAND why and that you love them. Dont leave them with a fucking grudge or something. Personally, the few times i got my ass beat as a kid, my dad felt so bad that right afterwards he came with neosporin or something and talked to me about it. I could see that it hurt him more than me. Well.. since i was a immature kid, i would be thinking all sorts of evil shit, but after calming down a bit I could see that it was my fault. But even for us asians, it will probably stop with our generation. Times are changing and you dont really need to resort to physical punishment to get your point across. Resorting to causing PAIN to your child is a sign of a weak parent who doesn't know how to teach a child. There are plenty of other ways to teach your child. As a PARENT, you should be trying to PREVENT any pain to your child. It's only natural. EDIT: I missed your last sentance. I apologize. | ||
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TheBomb
237 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:19 ryanAnger wrote: I disagree. Sending this guy to a white collar prison for ~10 years won't do jack other than make him more pissed off at the world. Get rid of him. Saves the country money, and it saves the innocent lives he would no doubt torture after he's released. You don't understand do you? Have you read any history? What you think is okay, may be considered bad by someone else and even though we have pretty universal common sense, there are a lot of different school of thoughts and ideas, so if you allow the precedent for one to be beat up and not handled by law you open up Pandora's box for that to happen to you. Plus we've had that kind of justice in Spain, it was called blood tie. So if someone kills someone you go kill someone from his family, they go on then kill some of your family and so on, until everyone was living in fear they can get killed by anyone and everyone and society broke down. So there have been stuff where you take the justice in your own hands and its always caused chaos and had led to the destruction of society and that is why today with the help and understanding of our history we have laws, most of which are common laws which means they are all based on common sense. This is of course for things like stealing, murder, violence, fight, etc... Obviously there are a lot of needless and stupid laws that have nothing with common sense or serve any purpose, but to infringe on our basic human rights. | ||
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:39 Quotidian wrote: eh, there's no reason for a double standard for boys and girls. What will psychologically scar a girl will do the same harm to a boy. I dont think so. Girls will have a harder time coping with physical punishment. But i mean if you are doing psychological damage, its obviously not the right way. Some pain or a bruise or soemthing is nothing as long as they dont resent you for years. If you leave them with psychological scars are you not doing a good parenting job weather you spank them or not. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:46 TheBomb wrote: You don't understand do you? Have you read any history? What you think is okay, may be considered bad by someone else and even though we have pretty universal common sense, there are a lot of different school of thoughts and ideas, so if you allow the precedent for one to be beat up and not handled by law you open up Pandora's box for that to happen to you. Plus we've had that kind of justice in Spain, it was called blood tie. So if someone kills someone you go kill someone from his family, they go on then kill some of your family and so on, until everyone was living in fear they can get killed by anyone and everyone and society broke down. So there have been stuff where you take the justice in your own hands and its always caused chaos and had led to the destruction of society and that is why today with the help and understanding of our history we have laws, most of which are common laws which means they are all based on common sense. This is of course for things like stealing, murder, violence, fight, etc... Obviously there are a lot of needless and stupid laws that have nothing with common sense or serve any purpose, but to infringe on our basic human rights. Oh, I should have clarified. I'd like this to be handled by the law, but the punishment should be capital. As in, the death penalty. We have too many people getting off with easy ass 10 year sentences for bullshit like this. Someone as fucked up as this girls dad has no right to live and contributes nothing of value to society. It would be better if we just killed him (legally.) | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
That was when I was 14, I'm 17 now. Can't say he has ever tried it again. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:52 pStar wrote: My dad tried to hit me with a belt when I was younger. So i ran to the kitchen, picked up a frying pan and hit him with it. That was when I was 14, I'm 17 now. Can't say he has ever tried it again. Some people don't have that luxury. My dad was about 150lbs heavier than me for most of my childhood. If I had tried that, he would have wrestled the frying pan out of my hands and killed me with it. Not even joking. | ||
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Hertzy
Finland355 Posts
I'd just like to ask this: Since Sambo, Brazilian Jujitsu and whatnot are all relatively safe and healthy sports, would it be acceptable to dislocate and/or maim every joint in the judge's body? | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:35 AxelTVx wrote: Holy..... and he calls himself a judge? This is just insane... In my eyes it's quite logical that he's a judge in this case. He seems to have a high priority for justice (his home rules his justice here) and punishment. He's in his line of work a symbol for justice, not supposed to beat his daughter (unless with a proper trial...) but who u're at home and at work aren't always the same? In my hometown we had a high ranked policechief who was called caption dress, for his strong initiatives against pedophiles, but he turned out to force himself on young girls, iirc even involved in cases. That's just one more example of it but A more general example would be perhaps talkative work leaders and teachers who in work are the best of listeners, form the group well but at home in the family all this changes into another dynamic. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
wake the fuck up already | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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gameguard
Korea (South)2131 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:45 PolSC2 wrote: Resorting to causing PAIN to your child is a sign of a weak parent who doesn't know how to teach a child. There are plenty of other ways to teach your child. As a PARENT, you should be trying to PREVENT any pain to your child. It's only natural. EDIT: I missed your last sentance. I apologize. I think the big difference is the culture man. It was a very common practice to get like a thin stick and hit kids on the calf a couple times as a form of discipline, NOT out of rage. Even in schools, teachers would hit your palms with rulers and shit. There is this stereotypical father figure whose aloof and stern. And the kid starts to fear the father. That kind of thing is not healthy i think. There are, however, many dads who are very loving but still ok with using physical punishment as a form of discipline. I mean my friend's dad is the nicest and most timid guy ever. His mom was the scary one who would lecture u and stuff haha (but god damn she is so good to us). But if he did something really fucked up, it would be up to dad to bring the lesson. After a certain age though lecturing is the way to go. When rage and anger is the reason for physical punishment, its abuse. | ||
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vetinari
Australia602 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:45 PolSC2 wrote: Resorting to causing PAIN to your child is a sign of a weak parent who doesn't know how to teach a child. There are plenty of other ways to teach your child. As a PARENT, you should be trying to PREVENT any pain to your child. It's only natural. EDIT: I missed your last sentance. I apologize. /sigh. Look, people are animals of above average intelligence. We do those activities that give us pleasure, and avoid those that bring us immediate pain. This is why no one knowingly sticks their hand into a fire but lots of people smoke. The whole point of punishment and corporal punishment in particular, is to condition people into not performing actions that are harmful (to the self, to others) but give immediate pleasure. The role of a parent isn't to prevent pain. Its to turn your child into a productive, law abiding, moral citizen, with the ability to cope with pain, suffering and setbacks. If you think that that can be done by coddling your children, and sheltering them from any and all hardship, I hope you never have to raise children. | ||
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Zidane
United States1684 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:55 ryanAnger wrote: Some people don't have that luxury. My dad was about 150lbs heavier than me for most of my childhood. If I had tried that, he would have wrestled the frying pan out of my hands and killed me with it. Not even joking. Your father may have done some fucked up things to you when you were younger and helpless. However, if you are able to realize the folly of his ways and decide for yourself to end the cycle of viciousness (undoubtedly his father had also beat him), that would be a great an impressive step in the right direction imo. I want to hear more stories about people realizing how messed up their parents were and confirming that violence is unacceptable from that video, instead of stating how they had it worse, and that this is just 'disciplining' and not even that big of a deal. | ||
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:02 Boonbag wrote: really half a good portion of the posters in this thread that advocate corporal punishement are brain dead wake the fuck up already Brain dead? You know what I don't do? I don't call people "brain dead" for having differing opinions than mine. Perhaps what I lack in supposed "brain life" I make up for in respect. You should really work on that. When you grow up a bit and learn how to discuss things in a mature fashion without openly insulting someone for nothing more than having a different opinion, maybe you can come back and try this shit again. I saw your post earlier saying that you were leaving TL because of the "brain dead" individuals here. Perhaps you should. This place would be much better for it, I think. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
That may be some excessive force... | ||
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Quotidian
Norway1937 Posts
On November 02 2011 20:47 gameguard wrote: I dont think so. Girls will have a harder time coping with physical punishment. But i mean if you are doing psychological damage, its obviously not the right way. Some pain or a bruise or soemthing is nothing as long as they dont resent you for years. If you leave them with psychological scars are you not doing a good parenting job weather you spank them or not. having your child "respect" you because you're in a position to cause them physical pain is bad parenting regardless of the sex of the child. You're not dealing with the behavior, you're just teaching the child to fear you, and that acting out physically gets results. It's been proven in study after study after study. It's a gross misconception that boys are hardier than girls when it comes to pain. That's entirely a case of society conditioning the different sexes. | ||
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PolSC2
United States634 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:08 ryanAnger wrote: Brain dead? You know what I don't do? I don't call people "brain dead" for having differing opinions than mine. Perhaps what I lack in supposed "brain life" I make up for in respect. You should really work on that. When you grow up a bit and learn how to discuss things in a mature fashion without openly insulting someone for nothing more than having a different opinion, maybe you can come back and try this shit again. I saw your post earlier saying that you were leaving TL because of the "brain dead" individuals here. Perhaps you should. This place would be much better for it, I think. Well, he's right. Corporal punishment is a thing of the past. The smart people realize this. | ||
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Chrisattack
Australia50 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
On November 02 2011 21:08 Zidane wrote: Your father may have done some fucked up things to you when you were younger and helpless. However, if you are able to realize the folly of his ways and decide for yourself to end the cycle of viciousness (undoubtedly his father had also beat him), that would be a great an impressive step in the right direction imo. I want to hear more stories about people realizing how messed up their parents were and confirming that violence is unacceptable from that video, instead of stating how they had it worse, and that this is just 'disciplining' and not even that big of a deal. Go back and read some of my previous posts. His dad (adoptive dad) beat him, too, and it is fucked up and I don't intend to do anything of the sort to my kids when I have them. What is seen in the video isn't just "discipline" and I don't think anyone in this thread thinks that it is. It's over the top, and clearly abuse. If it were a video of him walking up to her, hitting her once with the belt, and then explaining to her why it is necessary, then maybe it wouldn't be a big deal. Because that's what people are talking about when they speak of "discipline". I, personally, do not intend to use any form of corporal punishment on my children, but I don't think getting hit once with a belt is "abuse". | ||
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