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Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
November 02 2011 10:35 GMT
#701
On November 02 2011 19:25 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:22 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:
[quote]

did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy.


imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


Read what I just said and answer it.

Until then, you are an ignorant troll.


oh but i did read your posts. no need to call me names don't get so upset this is a friendly debate we're having isn't it? no need to resort to throwing your feces at me just yet. What part of what u wrote do u think that i haven't read over? i can assure ive read everything in this quote chain.


no1 really cares about ur opinion, since u obviously have no clue about how the human mind works and especially that of children.
If u think beating ur children is the right thing to do when ur mad at them u shouldn't be taken seriously.
I honestly hope u grow up yourself one day.

Have a nice day.
Starscreamz
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada30 Posts
November 02 2011 10:35 GMT
#702
ryanAnger contradicts so many of his own points that I'm not going to dissect if for you. TL;DR version for you; your parents beat you apparently with 2x4, you claim you're fucked up, but really, don't call these "types" (acceptable?) mean names.
Zerg aren't meant to beat Protoss.
pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
November 02 2011 10:36 GMT
#703
On November 02 2011 19:26 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:
[quote]

and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma?


did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy.


imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


Such a stupid argument. It can be used for anything. I'm sure i can find girls that were lightly sexually harassed that are fine now. I can probably also find alot of them that were affected for life by it.

You use generalizations and try do discredit the girl. It's quite obvious that no one will change your opinions and the only ignorant one here is you.


i am not trying to discredit the girl specifically, only the people who are attacking my point of view.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
November 02 2011 10:37 GMT
#704
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:
[quote]

did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy.


imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.



Why do you think beating children with a belt is a good way to teach them something? This is not spanking. This is two grown ups hitting a 16 year old with belts.

It's not okay, it's a dumb and outdated method.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
November 02 2011 10:37 GMT
#705
On November 02 2011 19:30 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:29 brachester wrote:
why is he filming this?


read op son

girl filmed it on her own without his knowledge

i did, it just didn't specificly say it but anyway

Wtf is this guy doing? Wtf does he think hitting her will benefit her/him in anyway? She's already old enough to be able to think so that any kind of physical punishment would not result in anything good but hatred toward her father.
I hate all this singing
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 10:40:37
November 02 2011 10:37 GMT
#706
On November 02 2011 19:35 Starscreamz wrote:
ryanAnger contradicts so many of his own points that I'm not going to dissect if for you. TL;DR version for you; your parents beat you apparently with 2x4, you claim you're fucked up, but really, don't call these "types" (acceptable?) mean names.


No, if you'd actually take the time to read the post, the person I was quoting was calling people like me "sick twisted fucks" because they acknowledge there is a difference between corporal punishment and physical abuse.

Are the people who beat their children in such a vicious manner "sick twisted fucks"? Yeah, they are.
On my way...
pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
November 02 2011 10:38 GMT
#707
On November 02 2011 19:35 Jakkerr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:25 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
[quote]

imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


Read what I just said and answer it.

Until then, you are an ignorant troll.


oh but i did read your posts. no need to call me names don't get so upset this is a friendly debate we're having isn't it? no need to resort to throwing your feces at me just yet. What part of what u wrote do u think that i haven't read over? i can assure ive read everything in this quote chain.


no1 really cares about ur opinion, since u obviously have no clue about how the human mind works and especially that of children.
If u think beating ur children is the right thing to do when ur mad at them u shouldn't be taken seriously.
I honestly hope u grow up yourself one day.

Have a nice day.


i never said that i " think beating ur children is the right thing to do when ur mad at them"

beating children when ur mad = physical abuse and that is wrong

ur coming to conclusions before reading what i am saying carefully. i think YOU need to read over what i said carefully before making false claims on my opinions.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 02 2011 10:39 GMT
#708
At the end of the day: Why is it okay to hit someones ass but not their back or their legs? Abuse is abuse and violence is violence but for some reason striking someones end is still considered okay.

It's crap. There are more mature and adult ways to handle disciplining. You're a parent for gods sake, you inherently can control your child if you pay the least amount of attention to them.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 02 2011 10:39 GMT
#709
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:
[quote]

did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy.


imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?
AnatheKing
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway54 Posts
November 02 2011 10:39 GMT
#710
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.


That father is obviously sick. You can't believe what he says in the video. Just the fact that the daughter was prepared to get it on tape, should tell you that it isn't the first time it has happened to her.
pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 10:40:21
November 02 2011 10:39 GMT
#711
i never said that i " think beating ur children is the right thing to do when ur mad at them"

beating children when ur mad = physical abuse and that is wrong

spanking children when they have crossed the boundary too deep = discipline

im not advocating child abuse or "beating children" at all.

ur coming to conclusions before reading what i am saying carefully. i think YOU need to read over what i said carefully before making false claims on my opinions.
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
November 02 2011 10:40 GMT
#712
oh MAN!! that was brutal shit.
why he do it ;/
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pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
November 02 2011 10:41 GMT
#713
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:
[quote]

imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit.

Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#714
didnt watch the video, over the time i learned i shouldnt be watching videos from teamliquid
why did she wait a couple of years? i dont understand
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Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
November 02 2011 10:44 GMT
#715
On November 02 2011 19:41 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
[quote]
Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.


Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted.

"It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."

And the sentence RIGHT after that says it's very ineffective longterm.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 10:46:47
November 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#716
On November 02 2011 19:41 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:
[quote]
Either you're a troll or you have no clue.

I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life.


i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.


The information in this article does not support your claim.

Your claim is that it's "good when used sparingly". The only thing that article states in the positive for spanking is that "— in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."

An accurate claim is "It can condition immediate short-term behavior", not that "it can be a good thing".

If we define "good" as something that one would expect when using the word "good" in this context - say, light and sparing spanking can have a positive impact on mental health, more likely to socially integrate in the future, etc - then I would need pretty compelling evidence before I accept this claim.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
November 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#717
On November 02 2011 19:37 ryanAnger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:35 Starscreamz wrote:
ryanAnger contradicts so many of his own points that I'm not going to dissect if for you. TL;DR version for you; your parents beat you apparently with 2x4, you claim you're fucked up, but really, don't call these "types" (acceptable?) mean names.


No, if you'd actually take the time to read the post, the person I was quoting was calling people like me "sick twisted fucks" because they acknowledge there is a difference between corporal punishment and physical abuse.

Are the people who beat their children in such a vicious manner "sick twisted fucks"? Yeah, they are.


So are people who deem it acceptable and are likely to repeat the act on their children. My point exactly.

Do not take this the wrong way but your father is quite obviously one of those people, you think that its ok just because what you got was worse? then what i said stands..

If you dont think its ok and its wrong, then nothing i said applies to you.

Your not a sick twisted fuck for getting beaten as a minor but believing it acceptable and repeating it makes you one.

Its probably not your fault because of what happened to change you into that way, and its the way it stays in our cultures and spreads tbh.
Useless wet fish.
pandaBee
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-02 10:47:05
November 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#718
On November 02 2011 19:44 Paperplane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:41 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:
[quote]

i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives.

any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man

what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke.

i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event.



You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.


Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted.

"It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."

And the sentence RIGHT after that says it's very ineffective longterm.



yep i agree spanking is ineffective in the longterm. if u were paying any attention u would have heard me said that just halfway up this page.

for all i'm concerned if parents spank their children repeatedly for a long period of time without any good changes to the child then thats quickly just turning into unintentional abuse and it is bad for the kid.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
November 02 2011 10:47 GMT
#719
On November 02 2011 19:45 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:44 Paperplane wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:41 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
[quote]

You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.


Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted.

"It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."

And the sentence RIGHT after that says it's very ineffective longterm.



yep i agree spanking is ineffective in the longterm. if u were paying any attention u would have heard me said that just halfway up this page.


I'm sorry, I don't have the time or patience to read through all the garbage you're spouting.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 02 2011 10:48 GMT
#720
On November 02 2011 19:45 pandaBee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2011 19:44 Paperplane wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:41 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:39 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:34 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:24 AnatheKing wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:
On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:
[quote]

You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE.

Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it.

Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread.


im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this.



You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions.

I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation.

I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child.

You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread.

I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck.


for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever.

ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is


The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.

And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child

http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html


okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.

but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse

but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.

of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so

but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.


Do you have any evidence for your claim that it can be a good thing when used sparingly?



well from the article that the person i was talking to yes http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ according to his sources it can be a good short term solution if used appropriately.


Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted.

"It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."

And the sentence RIGHT after that says it's very ineffective longterm.



yep i agree spanking is ineffective in the longterm. if u were paying any attention u would have heard me said that just halfway up this page.

for all i'm concerned if parents spank their children repeatedly for a long period of time without any good changes to the child then thats quickly just turning into unintentional abuse and it is bad for the kid.

But let's remember that the ability for spanking to stop target behavior should not be the criteria used to judge its success. I could cut off my child's leg and this would stop him teasing his brother. The efficacy of this punishment, clearly, cannot be judged by whether or not it stops the behavior we want to stop. We should judge it based on the long term impact it has on the child's mental health.
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