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On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:47 FaRess wrote:
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I didn't call you stupid, only what you're saying in your post sound stupid to me, just stating "it wasn't severe", shows how poorly informed your opinion is, the most scaring thing is that you're only worrying about the physical punishment itself which is, in this kind of situation not important compared to the mental health of the person getting beat.
and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions. I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation. I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child. You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread. I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck. ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is 
Read what I just said and answer it.
Until then, you are an ignorant troll.
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On November 02 2011 19:17 Zidane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:47 FaRess wrote:On November 02 2011 18:34 pandaBee wrote:
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hey my opinion is as valid as any others. just because u don't like it doesn't disprove what i'm trying to say at all. i can understand that u are emotionally invested into this thread but do u have to throw away all your reason and a ttack me and calling me stupid? I didn't call you stupid, only what you're saying in your post sound stupid to me, just stating "it wasn't severe", shows how poorly informed your opinion is, the most scaring thing is that you're only worrying about the physical punishment itself which is, in this kind of situation not important compared to the mental health of the person getting beat. and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. It doesn't matter what she's done in the past, no one deserves to be beaten like that. I"m sorry you were beaten when you were a child, because it has obviously softened you up to this kind of violence. I hope for your children's sake you don't beat your own kids thinking it's alright because your parents did it you.
Completely agree, people are defending these actions because its happened to them and they are so mentally scarred and fucked up by their own parents that they deem it acceptable. Please dont have fucking kids, you sick individuals.
Just because your parents did it to you doesnt make it ok, they are scum too. No matter how much you "love" them.
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On November 02 2011 15:53 Rafael wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:52 Cloud9157 wrote:
Go to jail for the rest of your lives, both of the parents.
I just lose faith in humanity every day. I lost ALL faith already.
So you must have lost all your faith in yourself.
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Corporal punishment in this form is rather outdated but I have also lived in societies where no form of corporal punishment are dished out at all. There probably needs to be a really clear legislation on what is acceptable corporal punishment and what is, spanking your kid with your bare hand 3-5 times is nothing serious whilst repeatedly belting them across the back and arms definitely is.
Off topic: It's amazing from the content of this thread how context of culture plays into discussion. If the thread was labeled Chinese Judge belts Daughter then the thread would of took to very very very different direction.
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This video is truly disgusting, you can punish a child for doing something wrong without violence, and make him understand when he has done something wrong.
p.s.: pandaBee, i have to agree with all the people above me, and I TOO feel sorry for you.
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On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:47 FaRess wrote:
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I didn't call you stupid, only what you're saying in your post sound stupid to me, just stating "it wasn't severe", shows how poorly informed your opinion is, the most scaring thing is that you're only worrying about the physical punishment itself which is, in this kind of situation not important compared to the mental health of the person getting beat.
and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions. I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation. I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child. You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread. I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck. for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever. ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is
The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of.
And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression.""
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years."
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules."
http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html
http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-child
http://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html
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or maybe pandaBee wasn't beat up by emotionally stunted parents and then he turned out to be a complete douche so now he thinks that beating your kid is the right thing to do
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On November 02 2011 19:22 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:
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and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions. I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation. I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child. You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread. I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck. ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is Read what I just said and answer it. Until then, you are an ignorant troll.
oh but i did read your posts. no need to call me names don't get so upset this is a friendly debate we're having isn't it? no need to resort to throwing your feces at me just yet. What part of what u wrote do u think that i haven't read over? i can assure ive read everything in this quote chain.
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Stop Posting That List. Read those articles, most of them are not in the age range we are talking about here. Most of them have no relevance.
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On November 02 2011 19:22 pandaBee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:16 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:47 FaRess wrote:
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I didn't call you stupid, only what you're saying in your post sound stupid to me, just stating "it wasn't severe", shows how poorly informed your opinion is, the most scaring thing is that you're only worrying about the physical punishment itself which is, in this kind of situation not important compared to the mental health of the person getting beat.
and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions. I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation. I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child. You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread. I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck. for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever. ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is
Such a stupid argument. It can be used for anything. I'm sure i can find girls that were lightly sexually harassed that are fine now. I can probably also find alot of them that were affected for life by it.
You use generalizations and try do discredit the girl. It's quite obvious that no one will change your opinions and the only ignorant one here is you.
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This is fucked, from my PoV it seems like he is pretty clearly enjoying it, the way he starts to walk away from his crying daughter who's curled up on the bed only to suddenly (and very violently) turn back around for more swings, he's a sick, sick fuck. I can't believe anyone in this day and age would defend this guy, he isn't just punishing his daughter he's BEATING HER DOWN physically and emotionally in an extremely violent and sadistic fashion.
For fucks sake when the Mum grabs the belt he tries so hard to get it back so he can continue beating her and then when he doesn't get it he says "I'll go get another one" and leaves the room to get another fucking belt so he can continue beating her. I'm not sure how I feel about the Mum, she takes the belt away in what seems to be defence of her daughter (takes the belt so she can do it herself, more lightly ect) but she doesn't actively try to stop him like she should. It seemed like all he wanted was for her to submit to him and "bend over" (sooo fucked uppp) and when she did that for the Mum he still came in and continued to beat her.
You have to wonder also how often this happened for her to literally hide a camera in her room to catch it, it had to be a pretty common thing, I also wonder what he did now for her to be angry enough to release it 4 years later. I guess we'll just have to wait a couple weeks for this story to blow up so much that she appears on some kind of morning talk show.
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Some people just loooooooove to go against the grain just to make waves - even if it makes them look like an idiot. You're not winning this battle, just give up.
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On November 02 2011 19:26 Wyrm_uW wrote:
Stop Posting That List. Read those articles, most of them are not in the age range we are talking about here. Most of them have no relevance.
We are talking about child abuse and hitting children in general. You don't think the girl in the video didn't go through stuff like that when she was younger, do you?
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You'll believe in whatever you believe, there's no shaking you from the foundations you've built your miserable life around. I can tell you that I'd never beat a child, no less a young WOMAN, as a form of punishment. What kind of power hungry cur places his hands on a child and HITS them? If I saw that in public you bet your ass I'd intervene.
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The father is a sadist, anyone defending his behavior is just wrong, or didn't watch the video. This is not typical corporal punishment. He is clearly enjoying the discipline, sexualizing his daughter, touching her face etc. He is composed most of the time, not infuriated. These are signs of a severely twisted and sadistic human being, not the same as a parent who acts out of rage. His anger is very controlled.
The mother seems like she was trying to stop the abuse, not assist in it. Notice she takes the belt away from him and says "Let me spank her" and then she spanks her once and gets out of there, to try and sate her husband's desires. It's not enough for him though, he goes back in to finish what he started. Truly perverse.
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On November 02 2011 19:29 brachester wrote:
why is he filming this?
read op son
girl filmed it on her own without his knowledge
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On November 02 2011 19:22 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 19:17 Zidane wrote:On November 02 2011 19:11 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 19:08 Capped wrote:On November 02 2011 19:02 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:57 Ahelvin wrote:On November 02 2011 18:55 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:53 prplhz wrote:On November 02 2011 18:50 pandaBee wrote:On November 02 2011 18:47 FaRess wrote:
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I didn't call you stupid, only what you're saying in your post sound stupid to me, just stating "it wasn't severe", shows how poorly informed your opinion is, the most scaring thing is that you're only worrying about the physical punishment itself which is, in this kind of situation not important compared to the mental health of the person getting beat.
and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. It doesn't matter what she's done in the past, no one deserves to be beaten like that. I"m sorry you were beaten when you were a child, because it has obviously softened you up to this kind of violence. I hope for your children's sake you don't beat your own kids thinking it's alright because your parents did it you. Completely agree, people are defending these actions because its happened to them and they are so mentally scarred and fucked up by their own parents that they deem it acceptable. Please dont have fucking kids, you sick individuals. Just because your parents did it to you doesnt make it ok, they are scum too. No matter how much you "love" them.
You are fucking over the line here dude. You acknowledge that these people "are so mentally scarred and fucked up by their own parents that they deem it acceptable" and that's probably the case with a lot of these people. That said, is it really their fucking fault? Is it necessary to call them sick individuals? Have these people physically done the same thing to their children. You need to calm down and stop calling people stupid, uninformed, ignorant names.
Now, I have been there. I've been hit by fists, by a belt, by a 2x4 with holes drilled through it, by a power cord, by a fucking frying pan (and more). I've had to stay home from school for 2 weeks because of the welts and scars from beatings. All of this shit is over the top. All of this shit is fucking horrible.
But you know what? I'm a stronger person for it. In high school, I got picked on a lot. I got beat up a lot. But none of that shit phased me because there wasn't shit some high school kid could do that would be worse than what my dad would do to me if i failed my English test or watched TV without permission.
There is a limit. Hitting someone once or twice with a belt? NOT A BIG FUCKING DEAL. Repeatedly hitting them for 5 minutes? That's a big fucking deal. There is a difference. Do I intend to use the belt on my kids? Fuck no, because I never liked it, and I'm a reasonable, loyal person who wouldn't inflict upon others what I did not enjoy myself.
Am I fucked up now because of it? Yeah, but what I got was a lot worse than just the occasional belt. I know many and more individuals who received the belt on occasion and they are fine.
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Sadly, this kind of behavior is extremely widespread, and it is really disgusting (it can be far worse too).
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and how would the stern lecturing / 50 seconds of booty spanking cause her mental trauma? did you watch the video? she's clearly in a very stressful situation and apparently she hasn't dropped it for 7 years. this has scarred her for life and i doubt she's just acting up because she's a drama queen. i imagine she genuinely did not like having a grown man slap her repeatedly with a belt while she was screaming for mercy. imo she is just a drama queen why in the world did she not report this earlier she had hard evidence so she could have help she was 16 then if she was afraid for her life she could have waited 2 years and then done it but no she waited for 7. Why seven? probably to use her parents and then drop this F-bomb when she's secure and comfortable so she can watch u all argue for her while cracking open the popcorn. Profit. Either you're a troll or you have no clue. I really wish you could talk someday with a girl that has been physically abused (YES, this is physical abuse when your father is screaming GET ON YOUR KNEES while spanking you with a belt) so she could tell you how this kind of thing can impair your ability to live an happy life. i have talked with many girls in that situation yeah but unlike this one they've all moved on to become good adults Without betraying her parents in this fashion. some of them went through therapy some of them didn't. some of them grew up a little warped some of them didn't. but in the end they're living fine lives. any form of physical discipline is obviously done by someone stronger otherwise they wouldnt be carry it out. so for anyone that keeps saying "oh yeah he's bigger and stronger so this is wrong!" well when my mom beat my ass when i was four or five she was also bigger and stronger what do u have to say about that? i can generailze this for anyones mom it doesn't necessarily have to be a man what uhave a problem with is the actual spanking not the fact that the guy is stronger. obviously he's stronger that doesn't realy add anything to your point since if this was done by someone younger and smaller and weaker it wouldnt be discipline it would be a joke. i'm not trying to pin all the blame on the girl or anything. but i don't like how everyone is bashing on the father either. neither of these is the right way to view this event. You are so fucking far wrong, this is NOT acceptable and completely disgusting. Punishing a child with beats is not entirely wrong, slaps to the ass etc. BUT THIS IS ABUSE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE PHYSICAL ABUSE. Fucking betrayed her parents? Theres a death penalty in your country isnt there? lets use it. Whoever condones this is fucking sick and twisted and it makes me so angry im not going to come back to this thread. im not condoning abuse in any way. but then again im not condoning people who aren't parents criticizing people who actually Are parents and have to make these decisions - whether they seem good or bad - on a daily basis. do u think parents like to resort to physical disciplining? ofc u can argue that it is not necessary but depending on what culture u are from and who u are it is a part of growing up. clearly the man says that it was a last resort and that she had c rossed the line several times for it to have come to this. You are fucking condoning it, you are defending his actions. I work with kids day in day out and i see the effects of what this bullshit does. So dont fuck me around and say i have no actual "view" on the situation. I have already explained all my views on physical punishment and how far over the line this shit is, a whip is a weapon, being used on a child. You are scum, worse then shit and you are probably this way because you suffered the same or worse then this girl did, much like the others sound who defend his actions in this thread. I cant fucking believe humanity right now, sick twisted fuck. for every kid that you've worked with i can find ten that have been spanked as kids that function just fine right now. no problems at all whatsoever. ignorant people ignorant conclusions. calling me bad names won't change my opinions you are only hurting your own cause friend. if you're trying to convince me that is The ones who are doing fine are doing it DESPITE the abuse, not in any way because of. And why are you ignoring the research you asked for? I can post again if you like: http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/28/would-you-record-yourself-spanking-your-kids/ : "Moms and dads who spank do so because they believe it's effective, and research actually shows that it is — in the short-term. A child reaching for a tempting object will stop if he gets swatted. "It does work in the immediate moment, but beyond that, in most cases, it's very ineffective," says Holden. "The most common long-term consequence is that children learn to use aggression."" http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090915100941.htm : "Spanking 1-year-olds leads to more aggressive behaviors and less sophisticated cognitive development in the next two years." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090924231749.htm : "Children who are spanked have lower IQs worldwide, including in the United States" http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin5.htm : "The researchers found that the children which were spanked the most as 3 to 5 year olds exhibited higher levels of anti-social behavior when observed 2 and 4 years later. This included higher levels of hitting siblings, hitting other children in school, defying parents, and ignoring parental rules." http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.htmlhttp://www.askdrsears.com/topics/discipline-behavior/spanking/10-reasons-not-hit-your-childhttp://kidshealth.org/parent/positive/talk/discipline.html
okay i apologize i do not have the time to read through all of the articles in full detail but i did skim most of them and from the things i've read i'm not surprised. i agree with most of what i've seen so far. things such that spanking babies will fuck them up later on and that spanking children and making it a habit to do so over a long period of time can also fuck them up.
but that's not surprising. in my opinion if a parent needs to resort to physical disciplining such as spanking it better do its job. as in if they have to rely on it all the time and it doesn't work they are not doing something right. and if they continue to do so at the expensve of the children's psyche then yes it is wrong and it is abuse
but here in the video that is posted we see one act of physical disciplining , coporal punishment, whatever u want to call it. and in this one act the father says that "it has come to this" implying that it was a last resort of sorts. on top of this the girl is 16 years old and clearly passing the boundaries that her parents have lain down for her. so just from the context of the video and from what i've skimmed through on your articles nothing i've read really seems ot defeat my point that parents, if absolutely need be, should be able to physically spank their kids booties.
of c i agree that babies should not be spanked as a form of discipline - they're babies what do they understand ! and yes i agree that spanking long term will cause problems in the children because it means that the parents are full of fail anyways if they cannot resolve their children's conflict even when resorting to violence, and more so
but it is a good solution in the short term and when used sparingly it can be a good thing. obviously this does not cross the abuse threshold where trauma is experienced and things get messy.
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