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On November 01 2011 00:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:+ Show Spoiler +You're right that it would obviously be the actual individuals who are directly responsible for pulling the trigger, but they definitely would share in the blame for acting so irresponsibly.
If I were to enter one of the drug cartel's "houses" and start talking shit about how immoral and wrong they are and destroying their goods and ended up shot and dead, you wouldn't say I killed myself, but I don't think anyone would object to the claim that I was acting wrongly or didn't have any blame in my own death.
Somebody doesn't have to do something, in fact it would be better if they did nothing if the situation we just described ends up happening (although it's highly unlikely as already mentioned). Action for the sake of action is not a good thing in itself, and bad action is even worse than no action at all.
This problem hits very close to home for me, so I am probably biased and definitely emotional. The cartel's potential for violence isn't a valid reason to allow them to continue along the status quo where they already commit torture and murder....
I agree that Anonymous isn't a group of trained professionals with the credentials to deal with this cartel. If you see someone getting dismembered in the street and there is a cop around the corner, you can ask him(the trained professional) for help. But what do you do when the cop sees the identify of the offender and then just ignores the crime out of fear? Who do you turn to? That is what makes this situation unique and justifies the efforts of Anonymous.
This one situation obviously won't bring down the cartel and it might not even save the life of the person, but it might encourage other people to stand against them. This is how opposition is fostered.
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On November 01 2011 05:26 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote:
Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them. Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
The carteles don´t care about that, FFS they have killed entire places of innocent people to show a message.
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Really scary how Anonymous is so strong and influential, and yet at the same time it's an organization like no other - practically everyone can be with it. I personally have a lot of respect and fear for the group, but so far feel like they are doing justice that no one else has the balls to do.
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I feel scared for Anon. They might have bit off more than they can chew.
Still, if they pull this off. Props
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They seem to be doing the right thing and "feel like they, are doing justice that no one else has the balls to do." as the person 2 posts above me said.
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The cartels could wipe them out if they wanted to, because they have money. It's not a question of whether or not they can identify Anon people. It's a question of if they are willing to fork over the money for it... I sure hope they don't find it worthy of their time/money.
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On November 01 2011 05:26 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote:
Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them. Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
Hacking websites wont do shit to tip the table in the mexican drug war, that have cost 30.000+ lives in the past few years. The drug cartels make about 30 billion$ a year, give me a break. If they want to find them, they will. Question is if they want to waste their time on a bunch of "e-heroes".
Its stupid even to think that a group doing nothing but hack can achieve anything, but pissing people off. I dont think they really want the attention of los zetas, though Im sure they wont get it.
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I'm curious how you guys think the cartel will manage to find the members of anonymous considering they're not hacking and thus no trace can be left with which to catch them.
Even if they found a member of anonymous, they wouldn't learn much as the members for the most part do not even know each other or their whereabouts.
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On November 01 2011 05:39 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 05:26 oldgregg wrote:On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote:
Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them. Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'.... Hacking websites wont do shit to tip the table in the mexican drug war, that have cost 30.000+ lives in the past few years. The drug cartels make about 30 billion$ a year, give me a break. If they want to find them, they will. Question is if they want to waste their time on a bunch of "e-heroes". Its stupid even to think that a group doing nothing but hack can achieve anything, but pissing people off. I dont think they really want the attention of los zetas, though Im sure they wont get it.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
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Ah good, they found something else to media whore on. Hope it doesn't end up too badly for them though.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them.
Seems.. contradictory, you knowing that.
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balls of steel. Hopefully the guy lives or at least los zetas take a small blow (or a bigger one)
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On November 01 2011 05:40 Seldentar wrote:
I'm curious how you guys think the cartel will manage to find the members of anonymous considering they're not hacking and thus no trace can be left with which to catch them.
Even if they found a member of anonymous, they wouldn't learn much as the members for the most part do not even know each other or their whereabouts.
Do you honestly believe this? How do you think that anonymous is gathering whatever "intel" they have? word of mouth? There will be a digital footprint. If they annoy the wrong person there will be retaliations. Even if they learn nothing else about any other member they will send a message...You mess with their money you will get their full attention. And if they sit back and do nothing they will look "weak" in the eyes of their associates and enemies. Escobar blew up a commercial airline to try and kill a president or president elect(i forget which).
Again these people dont fuck around
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On October 31 2011 17:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Anonymous isn't an organization, as I explained in the porn site thread. @_@ Anonymous is anyone who says they're Anonymous (ah the irony).
Contrary to popular belief, there is a difference between the 12 year olds that post on 4chan that call themselves Anonymous, and the Anonymous hacking organization.
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I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
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On November 01 2011 05:48 schimmetje wrote:Ah good, they found something else to media whore on. Hope it doesn't end up too badly for them though. Show nested quote +I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Seems.. contradictory, you knowing that.
Not at all, I gathered all of that information just by reading this thread.
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On November 01 2011 05:56 lvent wrote:Show nested quote +
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
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Did Anonymous just enter a death pact or something? This is the functional equivalent of suicide. At least we won't have to worry about having Facebook DDoSed I guess.
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Talking about Anon as a singular entity is a very silly thing, so you guys know. That's the entire joke.. Anon is not a person, group, or organization, it's just a byword for a hundred thousand disorganized minds who can take up the title at any given moment.
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On November 01 2011 06:04 Seldentar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 05:56 lvent wrote:
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right? Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
A well known person? how about Ryan Cleary, he got ratted out by other members of LuLzSec, who then in turn got outed by other members of LuLzSec..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2006118/Ryan-Cleary-charged-cyber-attack-CIA-LulzSec-takes-revenge.html
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On October 31 2011 18:21 iG.Zeep wrote:
all those guys are going to get killed and a few zetas will die if they release this info i guess...
the money and power los zetas have can and will buy anything they want so it wouldnt be a problem for them to either buy these guys out and then use their skills to get info on rivals or find a plethora of other hackers in or out of mexico to get all the info they want on these specific guys and then use them to help kill more rivals or anybody they want lol
i very much doubt that because who in their right mind would threaten crime organisation and then join them? the world does not revolve around money like you seem to think.
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