With the recent threads about anonymous I thought this might be of interest.
Following the kidnapping of a mexican street protester, mexican hackers under the anonymous banner have threatened to publish the identities and addresses of the syndicate's associates.
"You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him," says the masked man in this spanish video.
We want you to know that one of our members has been kidnapped during #opPaperstorm in our city. We demand his liberation. [..] We want the army and the marines to know that we are tired of the criminal group Los Zetas that kidnap, steal and extortion in different forms [..] We are tired of the journalists and newspapers of Jalapa, Veracruz, Córdoba and Orizaba that always throw sh*t to honest authorities like the military and marines. We are tired of taxi drivers, commanders and polizetas of the municipalities of Córdoba, Xalapa, Orizaba, Nogales and Río Balnco. For the moment we won't publish the names and photographs of taxi drivers, journalists or newspapers, or police, but if it becomes necessary we will even publish their addresses to see if the government detains them. [..] We all know who they are and where they are. You made a mistake in taking one of us, release him and if something happens to him, you sons of a b****es will remember the 5th of November.
Mike Vigil, a retired head of international operations for the DEA said following this announcement: "the Zetas Cartel needs to take Anonymous seriously because by publishing the names they identify the Zetas Cartel members to rivals and they will go after them."
Sounds like dangerous waters, but still kinda nice to see someone making a stand.
In an interview with MILLENNIUM, two members of Anonymous, and Skill3r GlynissParoubek be contacted to explain the circumstances: Why was decided to cancel the operation? We can not be a reckless administrators to condemn to death those who participate, we have talked and discussed extensively by all and it was decided to remove it. So why issue threats? "It's very easy to make a video on behalf of Anonymous and launch air threats, but to think, plan and evaluate the pros and cons is another story," they said. What's next? "They continue other operations, but for now we hope to make clear that the cartel operation is false."
Former head of LulzSec AnonymousSabu tweeted in response: "Thanks for pushing the op, but now that you've cleaned your hands of it--move on with your life,"
In another post he said that ""#OpCartel is very much alive and like I said to others in private our war is on corruption on both sides of the spectrum," referring to the war on drugs including both the Drug Enforcement Administration as well as the Mexican cartels.
Oh Anonymous..... you guys just keep making a name for yourselves, don't you?
It's ridiculous. Here's an organization that made their name known through very perplexing attacks. And the potential they hold is just so unknown to the world right now that they don't know how to respond.......
On October 31 2011 17:30 Seeker wrote: Oh Anonymous..... you guys just keep making a name for yourselves, don't you?
It's ridiculous. Here's an organization that made their name known through very perplexing attacks. And the potential they hold is just so unknown to the world right now that they don't know how to respond.......
I wonder what will be their next move......
Anonymous isn't an organization, as I explained in the porn site thread. @_@ Anonymous is anyone who says they're Anonymous (ah the irony).
On October 31 2011 17:35 foobahz wrote: you guys realise anonymous are just a bunch of pimply teenagers on 4chan right?
Who are fighting los zetas, one of the most dangerous criminal organisations in the world? Who cares. They have massive cohones for speaking up. Even the police there is afraid of los zetas.
lol they are not just a bunch of pimply teenagers on 4chan actually. Stop thinking with the general population please and use your own brain for once. This is actually pretty sweet. Hope it doesn't backfire on them.
All fun and games until the cartels actually kill someone from this group and leave their bodies off a bridge. Hopefully something good comes out of this.
Going to be some crazy shit. I know LZ could probably just kill them (if they found their identity out) but if anonymous actually has all these identities of associates they probably dont want them to be released.
all those guys are going to get killed and a few zetas will die if they release this info i guess...
the money and power los zetas have can and will buy anything they want so it wouldnt be a problem for them to either buy these guys out and then use their skills to get info on rivals or find a plethora of other hackers in or out of mexico to get all the info they want on these specific guys and then use them to help kill more rivals or anybody they want lol
Regarding the Facebook campaign, I wonder if someone would just make a false claim that they (Anonymous) were going to "take down Facebook" knowing full well it won't happen, just to discredit the group.
As for the Cartel threat, that's some serious shit. If a group like that manages to have all that info on a drug cartel, I wonder a few things:
1. Do they really? 2. How the hell did they get it? 3. Why are they just sitting on it? 4. As per 3, how long have they had it and not done anything with it (i.e. inform Police/whatever)?
4. As per 3, how long have they had it and not done anything with it (i.e. inform Police/whatever)?
The cops are probably corrupt, and the Mexican Feds are having a hard enough time dealing with the cartels as is. They wouldn't be resourceful enough to effectively go after the people on the list.
It seems a hell of a lot easier to just pit the rival cartels against each other so they kill each other. And yeah, I know they already do this, but it would get done a lot quicker with personal information available on the LZ.
4. As per 3, how long have they had it and not done anything with it (i.e. inform Police/whatever)?
The cops are probably corrupt, and the Mexican Feds are having a hard enough time dealing with the cartels as is. They wouldn't be resourceful enough to effectively go after the people on the list.
It seems a hell of a lot easier to just pit the rival cartels against each other so they kill each other. And yeah, I know they already do this, but it would get done a lot quicker with personal information available on the LZ.
the only thing we have to worry is like the names of taxi drivers and lookouts who are actually forced into their jobs or else they will be killed
Everytime the rival cartels kill each other there will always be innocent people involved
On October 31 2011 17:35 foobahz wrote: you guys realise anonymous are just a bunch of pimply teenagers on 4chan right?
you do realise you dont know the first thing about anonymous or what it stands for? the beauty is, its not one person, its not an organisation, it is the collective will and efforts of people who are trying to do some good. anyone can claim to be anonymous, they can claim to be the purple duck fuckers for all i care, the name is irrelevant, theyre trying to do some good, and power to them. whether its a smart move or not or whether they can do waht they claim is another story. but these guys have balls, and i hope they are successful.
4. As per 3, how long have they had it and not done anything with it (i.e. inform Police/whatever)?
The cops are probably corrupt, and the Mexican Feds are having a hard enough time dealing with the cartels as is. They wouldn't be resourceful enough to effectively go after the people on the list.
It seems a hell of a lot easier to just pit the rival cartels against each other so they kill each other. And yeah, I know they already do this, but it would get done a lot quicker with personal information available on the LZ.
the only thing we have to worry is like the names of taxi drivers and lookouts who are actually forced into their jobs or else they will be killed
Everytime the rival cartels kill each other there will always be innocent people involved
Yeah, and I'm sure that's something that Anon has thought of and taken steps to prevent. They have always been incredibly thorough in their operating procedure. If they can help it, they'll try to keep innocent deaths to a minimum.
On October 31 2011 18:52 CoR wrote: need to wait what the most of anonymous said about this xD like the facebook shit anonymous said already its not from them ...
Wait a minute, if it's an open collective that anyone can say they are a part of (like people have said in this thread) how can someone suddenly someone not be a part of it (if he claims to)? Who decides what the collective does or does not stand for?
Hopefully they will verify any data they get before they publish it. It would suck for some poor random bastard to have his name published and be killed.
Like the source article says, there's probably a great risk to "civilian" bloggers and netizens that Los Zetas can go after just to make Anonymous think twice or prove their might or whatever. But on the other hand, if they start doing that and Anonymous does release the info then they won't be doing it for long...
Takes some big balls either way, that's for sure.
And yeah, the facebook thing, once again, wasn't them.
Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote: Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.
On October 31 2011 18:36 ondik wrote: I really wonder how this is gonna turn out. Though it's pretty sure the protester they kidnapped was already murdered, right?
It is Los Zetas so he most likely is. They're mainly comprised of ex-Special Forces soldiers from the Mexican and Guatemalan armies.
This might end well, but more likely this will end terribly terribly bad. Cartel will realese nooone because they would lose "face", and if anon truly realeses some data it might end in bloodshed, some people might get hurt simply for having similar name or beign family coworker with Zetes associetes.
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote: Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.
Mexican stand off
Anonymous would probably be best of not release it publicly but to just secretly mail it to another cartel in a couple of months.
Los Zetas are fucking insane, spawned from paramilitary, and pretty much all cartels are born from police defectors etc. These guys are also brutal as fuck, so if you release info relating to them, I think they wouldn't give too much of a shit as the intimidation factor is there. Although I suppose once you know where they are and how spread out there are, some multi-pronged harassment might be able to take out some of their nexii lol
On October 31 2011 17:35 foobahz wrote: you guys realise anonymous are just a bunch of pimply teenagers on 4chan right?
A bunch of pimply teenagers that probably achieved a lot more then most of us ever will what an ignorant post.
Ok.. assuming they have achieved something What have they achieved? and what was the impact of those achievements? I really don't know much about the Anonymous But from what I've seen their just a bunch of "mystifiers" imposing as a dominant figure capable of great power
On October 31 2011 18:52 CoR wrote: need to wait what the most of anonymous said about this xD like the facebook shit anonymous said already its not from them ...
Wait a minute, if it's an open collective that anyone can say they are a part of (like people have said in this thread) how can someone suddenly someone not be a part of it (if he claims to)? Who decides what the collective does or does not stand for?
Just define what is anonymous ..
These guys are just unknown people doing their thing. Anonymous is just a name given for the lack of identity.
There are 2 ways that this can go: Either it's legit or it's a fake.
If it's legit .. Who wouldn't want another scumbag being killed?
On October 31 2011 17:54 Grettin wrote: LOL. I wonder how this turns out. Guy's body chopped to parts or hanged from a bridge? We will see.
Haha that was my thought as well. I dont think they will give in to the threat of someone posting something on the internet. Its easier to move to a new adress than lose that ammount of presitge.
On October 31 2011 18:36 ondik wrote: I really wonder how this is gonna turn out. Though it's pretty sure the protester they kidnapped was already murdered, right?
It is Los Zetas so he most likely is. They're mainly comprised of ex-Special Forces soldiers from the Mexican and Guatemalan armies.
It's true that LZ was originally founded and compromised of ex special forces that went rogue, but pretty much all of those guys are either dead or in prison by now.
Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?
And why don't they simply release that information? What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote: Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?
And why don't they simply release that information? What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?
I don't understand that situation... :-/
It could full well be a bluff that gradually becomes reality, that seems to me Anonymous' style. Atleast.. you think it is a bluff at first.
I hope they can stirr stuff up a bit, wouldn't mind seeing them in the news as something other than the stereotype nerd that they copied right out of some 90's movie.
Sounded like a convenient way to kill people you dislike, such as annoying neighbors. They can basically release random names and those people will be in risk, it's not like Mexican cartels need any reason or take their time to do background check before they kill someone.
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote: Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?
And why don't they simply release that information? What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?
I don't understand that situation... :-/
It appears, after taking great pains to closely read the OP, that they're using the threat of releasing the information to ensure that no harm comes to their fellow hacker who was kidnapped, or that he is released.
My first feeling after reading this is that they are bluffing, using their mysterious and ruthless hacking reputation to get the guy released.
Also, doesn't the threat to hack significantly lower the chances of success?
Considering Mexican police and military won't take a stand against those guys, more power to a "bunch of pimply faced teenagers" for at least trying something.
As far as Anonymous as a whole goes (the hacking group, not the kids), I don't really have any problems with them. Considering the world we are living in now, a group that epitomizes anonymity that occasionally shakes things up non-violently might be a blessing to the populace, not a curse.
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote: Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?
And why don't they simply release that information? What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?
I don't understand that situation... :-/
Well people who release information about Los Zetas end up dead hanging from a bridge. Withholding this kind of information helps you stay alive
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote: Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.
Mexican stand off
I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.
It's nice they're actually trying to help now instead of troll people but unless they've got a SWAT team, escalations of situations like this will be entirely out of their control. Odds are the kidnapped person was already killed anyways.
Also, it's pretty funny that it has basically crossed no one's minds that it's possible that they're bluffing about actually having names of cartel members =/
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote: Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.
Mexican stand off
I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.
Though I kinda agree with you that I think they're in over their heads I just dislike that way of thinking in general. I don't really think the blood's on Anonymous' hands because they're not the ones pulling the trigger.
I mean I see where you're going with this, you don't want to provoke this group. But what the hell are they supposed to do? Somebody's gotta do something.
Well, its the internet - almost everything is possible here. But anyway I'm with them, I dont think they'll really get facebook down forever but for atleast few hours. Just to make sure OP_facebook wasnt a bluff :D
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote: Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.
If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.
Mexican stand off
I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.
Though I kinda agree with you that I think they're in over their heads I just dislike that way of thinking in general. I don't really think the blood's on Anonymous' hands because they're not the ones pulling the trigger.
I mean I see where you're going with this, you don't want to provoke this group. But what the hell are they supposed to do? Somebody's gotta do something.
You're right that it would obviously be the actual individuals who are directly responsible for pulling the trigger, but they definitely would share in the blame for acting so irresponsibly.
If I were to enter one of the drug cartel's "houses" and start talking shit about how immoral and wrong they are and destroying their goods and ended up shot and dead, you wouldn't say I killed myself, but I don't think anyone would object to the claim that I was acting wrongly or didn't have any blame in my own death.
Somebody doesn't have to do something, in fact it would be better if they did nothing if the situation we just described ends up happening (although it's highly unlikely as already mentioned). Action for the sake of action is not a good thing in itself, and bad action is even worse than no action at all.
They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.
The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.
They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.
Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.
Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.
This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting. It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.
Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.
On November 01 2011 00:59 Paperplane wrote: This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting. It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.
Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.
There's a huge difference though between vigilantes fighting only with the internet and professional SWAT teams or military forces trained to deal with such encounters.
If you love pretending to be all philosophical, you'd have no problem explaining why neither is right or wrong though in the case of negotiating with criminals in hostage situations.
On November 01 2011 00:54 zalz wrote: They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.
The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.
They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.
Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.
Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.
I agree with some of this. The part about the cartels not giving a fuck, totally true. But to say the government can't mount a serious offensive is just wrong. They have mounted a serious offensive for the past 5 years. The cartels just have too much money to buy weapons and recruit more soldiers for the government to win. And Mexico to an extent will be taken over by criminals, and by that I mean that once the PRI takes over the government once again they will most likely cut a deal giving the cartels whatever they want. But Mexico certainly won be the first state to have this happen. What about Somalia and other African countries? What about Russia for heaven's sake?
On November 01 2011 00:54 zalz wrote: They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.
The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.
They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.
Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.
Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.
I agree with some of this. The part about the cartels not giving a fuck, totally true. But to say the government can't mount a serious offensive is just wrong. They have mounted a serious offensive for the past 5 years. The cartels just have too much money to buy weapons and recruit more soldiers for the government to win. And Mexico to an extent will be taken over by criminals, and by that I mean that once the PRI takes over the government once again they will most likely cut a deal giving the cartels whatever they want. But Mexico certainly won be the first state to have this happen. What about Somalia and other African countries? What about Russia for heaven's sake?
You can't compare Russia to mexico and african countries, The cartel can cross just about anyone who they want in Mexico. Can't say the same about Russian mafia, you don't mess with the Vlad.
This is more interesting than their previous threats. The drug cartels affect violence and social unrest throughout latin america. If the wrong thing goes downs, hundreds of thousands could die and many families may be destroyed. I hope they know what they're doing....
On October 31 2011 17:35 foobahz wrote: you guys realise anonymous are just a bunch of pimply teenagers on 4chan right?
Who are fighting los zetas, one of the most dangerous criminal organisations in the world? Who cares. They have massive cohones for speaking up. Even the police there is afraid of los zetas.
The goddamn mexican government has nothing on los zetas... Anon has SERIOUS guts.
On November 01 2011 00:59 Paperplane wrote: This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting. It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.
Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.
There's a huge difference though between vigilantes fighting only with the internet and professional SWAT teams or military forces trained to deal with such encounters.
If you love pretending to be all philosophical, you'd have no problem explaining why neither is right or wrong though in the case of negotiating with criminals in hostage situations.
Because you're choosing between minimizing short term damage at the cost of more long term damage or less long term damage at the cost of more short term damage.
Basically people are gonna get hurt whatever option you choose. If you have to choose between saving people right now or saving people later on, is any of those really wrong?
Wow. Stading up to a drug cartal, threatening to give information about the members. Have they even thought this through? Dont they understand those kind of people have the resources to find them? I mean, its a frigin drug cartal, if they actually piss them off. They are dead. The cartal might not care about that piece of information that might get leaked, but if they do...
On November 01 2011 00:59 Paperplane wrote: This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting. It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.
Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.
There's a huge difference though between vigilantes fighting only with the internet and professional SWAT teams or military forces trained to deal with such encounters.
If you love pretending to be all philosophical, you'd have no problem explaining why neither is right or wrong though in the case of negotiating with criminals in hostage situations.
Because you're choosing between minimizing short term damage at the cost of more long term damage or less long term damage at the cost of more short term damage.
Basically people are gonna get hurt whatever option you choose. If you have to choose between saving people right now or saving people later on, is any of those really wrong?
Problem is, you're assuming what Anon is doing is minimizing long term damage. They're way in over their heads here and I think they could just end up causing damage - both long term and short term, but I hope I'm wrong.
Yes I do think in most cases, maybe not all, that one choice will be the better choice. Odds are though that the better choice will most likely not be obvious to us at the time.
I think in a hostage situation, it's definitely a possibility that no one gets hurt besides the criminals, but like I said that's where specialists/SWAT come in, not internet threats.
4. As per 3, how long have they had it and not done anything with it (i.e. inform Police/whatever)?
The cops are probably corrupt, and the Mexican Feds are having a hard enough time dealing with the cartels as is. They wouldn't be resourceful enough to effectively go after the people on the list.
It seems a hell of a lot easier to just pit the rival cartels against each other so they kill each other. And yeah, I know they already do this, but it would get done a lot quicker with personal information available on the LZ.
Yeah lets have a wikipedia article on every cartel with full list of names and home adreses
hahaha libya was gaurunteed to fall, gaddahafi tried to raise oil prices dont bring anonymous into this without any citation and say they are great freedom fighters it seems to me this whole thing is very selfish so they go against the cartels when a protestor supposivley with them is taken well what about for the last 10 years the thousands of bodies being buried in shallow graves in the desert didnt matter then? this is more then likely publicity grab in order to get there name back on peoples lips before 5th of novemeber or just a childish act to make it seem like your doing good
These guys seem to be reading too many comic books, taking down the second most dangerous drug cartel in Mexico who have countless corrupt Police and ex-government officials is just insane.
/b/ is going a lot of good for themselves lately. I don't agree with EVERYTHING they've done as some of it gives a bad name to 4chan as a whole for some reason (whenever /b/ does something all of 4chan gets blamed and I'm tired of being called a "sick disgusting pedophile" or something of the sort when all I go is go to /v/ and /g/) but it's nice to see a lot of people share a common goal and work together to make their goal come to fruition.
On November 01 2011 01:37 HaruRH wrote: Ah, the anons strike once more! Was a 'fan' *ehem* of them when they decided to help libyans take down gadaffi.
Do not under estimate the anonymous. If they have the means to crack down a government syndicate with ease, drug cartels are nothing to them.
You're kidding me right?
They hacked some websites and emails, and you call it "crack down a goverment" =__=
It wasnt them that cracked it. It was the hundreds of people dying trying to make a difference. It was with the aid of multiple countries. I think you need to rethink and shift the responsibility to the people that deserve it.
If you actually think anon is cable of more then a drug cartal, you have absolutly no sense of reality. Stop glorifying them. They are a group og hackers. nothing more. (they might symbolize more, but thats irrelevant.)
My background/job is in computer networks, so I try and keep up with what is going on and came across the article above(and substantial others similar). I was never really a fan of them personally, I feel they are a bunch of malcontents. While behind their anonymity they are the biggest bad asses the interweb has ever seen, then when they are caught they become an elephant in a room full of mice(See Jake Davis).
Its one thing for them to "go after" a civilized country's IP, as the results and coincidences of doing so will just be jail for you and your accomplices. When you "decide" to wage war on a drug cartel you enter a whole other realm. Those mother fuckers do not play. They will wipe out a town if they are uncooperative. I believe last year the body count alone was 30k. If the "kids" in anon, lulzsec or whatever subgroup think that they will be safe dropping names and screwing with drug lords money they are idiots. Information Week reached out to an intelligence research firm that said basically anyone they name will be killed if they have ties to the organization. What Anonymous fails to realize is a vast majority of these people are forced to help. If they dont them, their family, and anyone close to them can be killed.
What these "hackers" don't understand and it really is a common misconception; is they veiw these cartels as being just muscle and no brains. Make no mistakes about them, they are : well financed, well equipped, and have access to information via bribes or threats.
There are probably only a dozen or so true "hackers" in their group(s?). The rest are script kiddies or use GUI programs. What is going to happen is if they go this route they are going to get a bunch of people(a majority of innocents) killed. They are going to put themselves and their families at risk. They think that being in the US,Canada,Europe that they are safe; they are sadly mistaken.
I cant fault them for wanting to go after people who are inherently bad, but they really need to think something like this out more especially in dealing with the consequences which will definitely be there.
Well its been nice knowing anonymous, their endeavors were really interesting to read for a good laugh. After the Mexican drug cartel, whats next, The Russian mafia?
You guys need to understand what anonymous is. It's not 50 hackers sat on a private IRC server. It's not "moralfags" running around in masks outside. It's not lulzsec or chanology.
Because anyone can call themselves anonymous, anonymous is literally anyone who has a cause and doesn't want to be known. So it's ridiculous to say "anonymous did x", trying to refer to them explicitly.
Also, the particular people who are threatening the cartels are most likely using the anonymous reputation to make waves. But if not, they will certainly know the risks. Dozens have gone to court/prison already for involvement in other things, this isn't much different.
Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them.
one thing that most people are not taking into account is that the los zetas have their own "hackers"... and they have guns and they have money and they have corrupt politicians and they have an army and THEY DON'T CARE AT ALL ABOUT YOUR LIFE!
On a side note: if you declare yourself anon, you are no longer anon..
Again, Anonymous doing something worthwhile! They should just release all the names anyway, the cartels are some of the worst scum walking the earth and anything that can be done to weaken their control is completely worth doing.
On November 01 2011 05:21 eXigent. wrote: THEY CANCELLED THEIR PLANS! No need to continue discussing what will happen to them when they are no longer attempting to go after LZ.
"A Twitter post from LulzSec leader Sabu in direct reply to Sm0k34n0n appeared to dismiss the cancellation, or at least imply that there would be future anti-cartel efforts. "Thanks for pushing the op, but now that you've cleaned your hands of it--move on with your life," said Sabu. In another post, he said that "#OpCartel is very much alive and like I said to others in private our war is on corruption on both sides of the spectrum," referring to the war on drugs including both the Drug Enforcement Administration as well as the Mexican cartels. "
On November 01 2011 05:12 theBOOCH wrote: Again, Anonymous doing something worthwhile! They should just release all the names anyway, the cartels are some of the worst scum walking the earth and anything that can be done to weaken their control is completely worth doing.
Lol, everybody at least has some idea of who are involved. The Mexican government is infiltrated to the top. Anon is waaay over their head.
Poor guy that got kidnapped is probably dead and being dissolved in acid.And the Zetas is not some backwater guerrila that will not know how to deal with 1st world wonders(lol) they have tons of technology.
I hate the Zetas, I hope they go down. But I don´t see this guys doing much good, hell they will probably cause even more deaths.
Of course they will probably take the 1st arrest done, call the op a success while the guy will get replaced, and they will do more retaliatory killing.
Its easy to threaten and act as if some sacrifices are necessary from your PC monitor, but when people you know are under a threat its another story.Also the cartel has a lot of power in southern US so I don´t expect even borders to help them.
Sorry, they may have their heart in the right place but this is something extremely reckless
On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote: Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them.
Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
haha this Anonymous group is clearly trying to raise their popularity and influence by claiming they're planning to do crazy things to household known organizations, and then cancelling them at the last second.
You're right that it would obviously be the actual individuals who are directly responsible for pulling the trigger, but they definitely would share in the blame for acting so irresponsibly.
If I were to enter one of the drug cartel's "houses" and start talking shit about how immoral and wrong they are and destroying their goods and ended up shot and dead, you wouldn't say I killed myself, but I don't think anyone would object to the claim that I was acting wrongly or didn't have any blame in my own death.
Somebody doesn't have to do something, in fact it would be better if they did nothing if the situation we just described ends up happening (although it's highly unlikely as already mentioned). Action for the sake of action is not a good thing in itself, and bad action is even worse than no action at all.
This problem hits very close to home for me, so I am probably biased and definitely emotional. The cartel's potential for violence isn't a valid reason to allow them to continue along the status quo where they already commit torture and murder....
I agree that Anonymous isn't a group of trained professionals with the credentials to deal with this cartel. If you see someone getting dismembered in the street and there is a cop around the corner, you can ask him(the trained professional) for help. But what do you do when the cop sees the identify of the offender and then just ignores the crime out of fear? Who do you turn to? That is what makes this situation unique and justifies the efforts of Anonymous.
This one situation obviously won't bring down the cartel and it might not even save the life of the person, but it might encourage other people to stand against them. This is how opposition is fostered.
On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote: Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them.
Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
The carteles don´t care about that, FFS they have killed entire places of innocent people to show a message.
Really scary how Anonymous is so strong and influential, and yet at the same time it's an organization like no other - practically everyone can be with it. I personally have a lot of respect and fear for the group, but so far feel like they are doing justice that no one else has the balls to do.
They seem to be doing the right thing and "feel like they, are doing justice that no one else has the balls to do." as the person 2 posts above me said.
The cartels could wipe them out if they wanted to, because they have money. It's not a question of whether or not they can identify Anon people. It's a question of if they are willing to fork over the money for it... I sure hope they don't find it worthy of their time/money.
On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote: Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them.
Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
Hacking websites wont do shit to tip the table in the mexican drug war, that have cost 30.000+ lives in the past few years. The drug cartels make about 30 billion$ a year, give me a break. If they want to find them, they will. Question is if they want to waste their time on a bunch of "e-heroes".
Its stupid even to think that a group doing nothing but hack can achieve anything, but pissing people off. I dont think they really want the attention of los zetas, though Im sure they wont get it.
I'm curious how you guys think the cartel will manage to find the members of anonymous considering they're not hacking and thus no trace can be left with which to catch them.
Even if they found a member of anonymous, they wouldn't learn much as the members for the most part do not even know each other or their whereabouts.
On November 01 2011 04:27 DystopiaX wrote: Fucking with the cartel may be the stupidest thing "anonymous" (or anyone using that name) has done yet, it's one thing to fuck around with corporations, it's quite another to fuck around with a group that will kill you for fucking with them.
Someone's gotta take on these evil people. Good on them I say, I dunno whether they will achieve anything tho. And how would the cartels find them? They're 'anonymous'....
Hacking websites wont do shit to tip the table in the mexican drug war, that have cost 30.000+ lives in the past few years. The drug cartels make about 30 billion$ a year, give me a break. If they want to find them, they will. Question is if they want to waste their time on a bunch of "e-heroes".
Its stupid even to think that a group doing nothing but hack can achieve anything, but pissing people off. I dont think they really want the attention of los zetas, though Im sure they wont get it.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Ah good, they found something else to media whore on. Hope it doesn't end up too badly for them though.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them.
On November 01 2011 05:40 Seldentar wrote: I'm curious how you guys think the cartel will manage to find the members of anonymous considering they're not hacking and thus no trace can be left with which to catch them.
Even if they found a member of anonymous, they wouldn't learn much as the members for the most part do not even know each other or their whereabouts.
Do you honestly believe this? How do you think that anonymous is gathering whatever "intel" they have? word of mouth? There will be a digital footprint. If they annoy the wrong person there will be retaliations. Even if they learn nothing else about any other member they will send a message...You mess with their money you will get their full attention. And if they sit back and do nothing they will look "weak" in the eyes of their associates and enemies. Escobar blew up a commercial airline to try and kill a president or president elect(i forget which).
On October 31 2011 17:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Anonymous isn't an organization, as I explained in the porn site thread. @_@ Anonymous is anyone who says they're Anonymous (ah the irony).
Contrary to popular belief, there is a difference between the 12 year olds that post on 4chan that call themselves Anonymous, and the Anonymous hacking organization.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them.
Seems.. contradictory, you knowing that.
Not at all, I gathered all of that information just by reading this thread.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
Did Anonymous just enter a death pact or something? This is the functional equivalent of suicide. At least we won't have to worry about having Facebook DDoSed I guess.
Talking about Anon as a singular entity is a very silly thing, so you guys know. That's the entire joke.. Anon is not a person, group, or organization, it's just a byword for a hundred thousand disorganized minds who can take up the title at any given moment.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
A well known person? how about Ryan Cleary, he got ratted out by other members of LuLzSec, who then in turn got outed by other members of LuLzSec..
On October 31 2011 18:21 iG.Zeep wrote: all those guys are going to get killed and a few zetas will die if they release this info i guess...
the money and power los zetas have can and will buy anything they want so it wouldnt be a problem for them to either buy these guys out and then use their skills to get info on rivals or find a plethora of other hackers in or out of mexico to get all the info they want on these specific guys and then use them to help kill more rivals or anybody they want lol
i very much doubt that because who in their right mind would threaten crime organisation and then join them? the world does not revolve around money like you seem to think.
On October 31 2011 17:18 ypolt wrote: With the recent threads about anonymous I thought this might be of interest.
Following the kidnapping of a mexican street protester, mexican hackers under the anonymous banner have threatened to publish the identities and addresses of the syndicate's associates.
"You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him," says the masked man in this spanish video.
Mike Vigil, a retired head of international operations for the DEA said following this announcement: "the Zetas Cartel needs to take Anonymous seriously because by publishing the names they identify the Zetas Cartel members to rivals and they will go after them."
Sounds like dangerous waters, but still kinda nice to see someone making a stand.
You do realize that they're not taking a stand against the Drugs, Killings, Tortures, Extortion that these Cartels take a part of, but a stand against messing with one of their members.
Is it necessary to release it to those who would actually kill everyone found on such a list? Isnt it perhaps a bit more diplomatic to just leave the names and evidence to the police?
Still - my respect of this group grows with every second
On November 01 2011 07:34 The_PhaCe wrote: Is it necessary to release it to those who would actually kill everyone found on such a list? Isnt it perhaps a bit more diplomatic to just leave the names and evidence to the police?
Still - my respect of this group grows with every second
Yes, the Mexican government will take care of this........... lol
The government has been proven to be just as corrupt as the cartels. What should happen is all of the Cartels should have their rosters released to each other equal footing and maybe the problem will eliminate itself.
On November 01 2011 07:34 The_PhaCe wrote: Is it necessary to release it to those who would actually kill everyone found on such a list? Isnt it perhaps a bit more diplomatic to just leave the names and evidence to the police?
Still - my respect of this group grows with every second
The police are afraid of them and may not act with the names, their rivals however will use the names to their advantage most likely through killing or threats
On October 31 2011 17:18 ypolt wrote: With the recent threads about anonymous I thought this might be of interest.
Following the kidnapping of a mexican street protester, mexican hackers under the anonymous banner have threatened to publish the identities and addresses of the syndicate's associates.
"You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him," says the masked man in this spanish video.
Mike Vigil, a retired head of international operations for the DEA said following this announcement: "the Zetas Cartel needs to take Anonymous seriously because by publishing the names they identify the Zetas Cartel members to rivals and they will go after them."
Sounds like dangerous waters, but still kinda nice to see someone making a stand.
You do realize that they're not taking a stand against the Drugs, Killings, Tortures, Extortion that these Cartels take a part of, but a stand against messing with one of their members.
What's wrong with that? That would be a rational, self interested and good action unlike things like attacking Facebook and trying to nanny people and decide what sites they are allowed to use or not.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
A well known person? how about Ryan Cleary, he got ratted out by other members of LuLzSec, who then in turn got outed by other members of LuLzSec..
Members of anonymous can't be ratted out by other members because they are NOT an organization. They don't even know who each other are as far as I'm aware.
This video is stupid. Most of the local governments of each state do money laundry for narcos and protect them. Los Zetas (and most of cartels) is huge, you don't have an idea.
The government is losing the war and anything that some kids on internetz would do, won't change that.
im just waiting for when some corpse with a columbian necktie shows up on the news. people give Anonymous way too much credit. as much as i give the people respect for having the balls to call out the drug cartels, i expect heads will start flying
On November 01 2011 08:01 azka wrote: This video is stupid. Most of the local governments of each state do money laundry for narcos and protect them. Los Zetas (and most of cartels) is huge, you don't have an idea.
The government is losing the war and anything that some kids on internetz would do, won't change that.
I could be wrong here, but I assume if one does things through enough proxies\VPS\takes all apropriate steps for security\anonyimity and whatnot, it will be pretty much impossible to catch. If your goal was to post names\whatever from the cartel, and be completely untraceable, you could always just travel to an internet cafe and do it from there.
Obviously nothing will protect someone from being ratted out assuming they work with someone else, that being said, unlike the cartels and whatnot, Anonymous is not one entity\big group. Some parts are organized, some parts are smaller more tight knit groups, and some work alone. Sure they can find and kill or whatever someone, who is in some way related to anonymous, but if that were to happen, and it was made clear that it was done by the cartels to kill someone of anonymous, i think that would just make more people care about it\involved\would not really do any good for the cartels.
I don't think you realize the members of anonomous never tell anyone including each other that they are part of anonymous. Also, no member of anonymous is hacking or doing anything that could possibly lead the cartel to them. Throw as much money at it as you want, but you aren't going to find someone that doesn't exist.
Yea because they never caught Jake Davis in some small ass town in the middle of nowhere right?
Jake Davis was a well known person, any person in that town may have turned him in
A well known person? how about Ryan Cleary, he got ratted out by other members of LuLzSec, who then in turn got outed by other members of LuLzSec..
Members of anonymous can't be ratted out by other members because they are NOT an organization. They don't even know who each other are as far as I'm aware.
An organization (or organisation — see spelling differences) is a social group which distributes tasks for a collective goal.
So, they are an organization. They have many collective goals. Many old and current members are known because you might know many ways to be anonymous on the internet, but eventually everyone slips up. From just the smallest bit of information someone gets about you even if it is trivial they can link you to something else and further and further until they know all about you. About 15 members have had everything posted about themselves, though most were low level bullshitters
You can't kill something that doesn't exist. Come get a person using hacked WiFi with a spoofed MACadress and throws out his LAN Card every week and is using payed VPN.....
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
lol. i'm sure some1 with unlimited funds can't find a hacker ...
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
/sarcasm right? When you have billions of dollars you can get anything you want.
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
lol. i'm sure some1 with unlimited funds can't find a hacker ...
Just to save you some time.. Just read the part called Activities during 2011
Then speak about "scriptkiddies" doing no harm
But for people that hack for well... a living... the stuff they have done isn't even that super hard to do. Note how the big things, like the proposed attack on the Israel government website, got shut down, and OPFacebook does not even appear to be supported by the majority of those that call themselves Anonymous.
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
/sarcasm right? When you have billions of dollars you can get anything you want.
I honestly dont know if some of the people are straight trolling or naive enough to think they are 100% safe because of a ghosted ip..
Just to save you some time.. Just read the part called Activities during 2011
Then speak about "scriptkiddies" doing no harm
But for people that hack for well... a living... the stuff they have done isn't even that super hard to do. Note how the big things, like the proposed attack on the Israel government website, got shut down, and OPFacebook does not even appear to be supported by the majority of those that call themselves Anonymous.
Lol...
Please keep in mind there are a TON of followers..
It's not hard to speak for those without an identity
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
Carlos Slim Helu
Either he is part of the drug trade, or every time someone makes a phone call in mexico they shit a gold bar and are forced to send that and 30 pesos to Carlos.
Either way though what will most likely happen is they will release whoever they have if he is still alive. Why? Because there really isn't the need for the risk.
Anon Could.... Get the cartels members list and send it. Fuck with bank accounts. Cause the cartel to get attacked and not have access to bank funds (though I know cash does exist banks move faster when you actually need large sums of cash).
The Cartel Could... Find/procure a list of possible members/attackers which could be quite a few results and not specific Meanwhile being attacked by other Cartels Meanwhile being attacked by the government
Just to save you some time.. Just read the part called Activities during 2011
Then speak about "scriptkiddies" doing no harm
But for people that hack for well... a living... the stuff they have done isn't even that super hard to do. Note how the big things, like the proposed attack on the Israel government website, got shut down, and OPFacebook does not even appear to be supported by the majority of those that call themselves Anonymous.
Lol...
Please keep in mind there are a TON of followers..
It's not hard to speak for those without an identity
TON of followers =/= TON of hackers with capability to execute high profile schemes like taking down fb.
Seriously, get real. There is nothing Anon can do to the most violent cartel, its still stupid as I said before.
Block bank accounts? do you really believe los Zetas go to any bank to keep their money? and if they do, its because they own the bank.
Reveal a name list? I can't believe this... just go and walk to any street outside of Mexico City, and you will recognize a Cartel member. Everybody knows who they are, even the rival cartels know... cheesus, even the militaries know.
All of them are protected by local governments, and if they don't get the protection they just kill the governor... as it has happen in the last 6 years.
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
The cartel can't really do anything to Anon, in the same way that Anon can't hurt the cartel. Neither has enough information about the other to take any meaningful or significant action.
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
BBad's narcos are a cartoon version of real narcos:
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
I love me some BB but when the show actually starts to depict cartel behavior is when it's at its worse IMO. Very cartoonish, as the poster above me pointed out.
Anyways I have no idea what to say to the anon video. Since anon could be anyone, I have no idea of this particular anon's capabilities.
On November 01 2011 08:50 azka wrote: Seriously, get real. There is nothing Anon can do to the most violent cartel, its still stupid as I said before.
Block bank accounts? do you really believe los Zetas go to any bank to keep their money? and if they do, its because they own the bank.
Reveal a name list? I can't believe this... just go and walk to any street outside of Mexico City, and you will recognize a Cartel member. Everybody knows who they are, even the rival cartels know... cheesus, even the militaries know.
All of them are protected by local governments, and if they don't get the protection they just kill the governor... as it has happen in the last 6 years.
I've been looking at the posts by people who say their from mexico and some of the information they've been posting and I gotta say WOW. No idea it was that crazy right now.
O and LOL at the Fast and Furious ATF operation. Whoops!!
Besides release the names I don't think anon will do much and if the gangs are as untouchable locally as described then it'll be for not. I feel bad for the one captured by the cartel, I guess he's done for........
O and they probably won't need to do any real work to find their captive's "anon friends". Theres this thing called torture....
On November 01 2011 08:24 Crying wrote: You can't kill something that doesn't exist. Come get a person using hacked WiFi with a spoofed MACadress and throws out his LAN Card every week and is using payed VPN.....
On November 01 2011 08:25 zachMEISTER wrote: I highly doubt that Drug Cartels are capable of knowing someone with the technological prowess to bring down or even do harm to the Anon members.
lol. i'm sure some1 with unlimited funds can't find a hacker ...
No amount of money can find something that doesn't exist
On October 31 2011 18:21 iG.Zeep wrote: all those guys are going to get killed and a few zetas will die if they release this info i guess...
the money and power los zetas have can and will buy anything they want so it wouldnt be a problem for them to either buy these guys out and then use their skills to get info on rivals or find a plethora of other hackers in or out of mexico to get all the info they want on these specific guys and then use them to help kill more rivals or anybody they want lol
i very much doubt that because who in their right mind would threaten crime organisation and then join them? the world does not revolve around money like you seem to think.
It does, however, revolve around not wanting your entire family mutilated with their burned remains in a roadside ditch.
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
The cartel can't really do anything to Anon, in the same way that Anon can't hurt the cartel. Neither has enough information about the other to take any meaningful or significant action.
On the contrary, Anon has strong ties from within the U.S. government and can effectively remove them as a threat with a snap of their fingers.
Anyone who thinks Anonymous can do anything to actually hurt the drug cartels is a deluded child.
The drug cartels aren't some Westboro Baptist Church or some douchebag on the internet who posts hateful youtube videos, they are the people that own the government, local officials, police, etc.
You think rival cartels don't know who the top dogs of other cartels are? Really? This isn't a Call of Duty game where a few guys with guns can infiltrate X organization and kill A, B, C leaders and call it a day and the whole organization falls to the ground, it's a systemic corruption of virtually every level of the Mexican government aided by their friends across the border in the US who supply the vast majority of weapons.
I'm all for crushing the drug cartels and maybe, just maybe (!!) these hackers can help with that if they somehow stumble across some information that the Mexican military, police, and government (and US government + intelligence agencies) haven't already gotten, but get real people.
On the contrary, Anon has strong ties from within the U.S. government and can effectively remove them as a threat with a snap of their fingers.
Brains > brawn
What does this even mean? Effectively remove whom? The cartels? Anon?
I agree, brains > brawn but when you are dealing with cartels that have successfully waged a private war on an entire government with aid from its northern neighbor and are arguably winning that war handily, it's difficult to see how a group of internet warriors can do anything or find hidden information that the combined wealth and power of the other groups don't already know.
Anon can't even touch Facebook, let alone the drug cartels rofl. This gets more ridiculous the more you think about it.
My background/job is in computer networks, so I try and keep up with what is going on and came across the article above(and substantial others similar). I was never really a fan of them personally, I feel they are a bunch of malcontents. While behind their anonymity they are the biggest bad asses the interweb has ever seen, then when they are caught they become an elephant in a room full of mice(See Jake Davis).
Its one thing for them to "go after" a civilized country's IP, as the results and coincidences of doing so will just be jail for you and your accomplices. When you "decide" to wage war on a drug cartel you enter a whole other realm. Those mother fuckers do not play. They will wipe out a town if they are uncooperative. I believe last year the body count alone was 30k. If the "kids" in anon, lulzsec or whatever subgroup think that they will be safe dropping names and screwing with drug lords money they are idiots. Information Week reached out to an intelligence research firm that said basically anyone they name will be killed if they have ties to the organization. What Anonymous fails to realize is a vast majority of these people are forced to help. If they dont them, their family, and anyone close to them can be killed.
What these "hackers" don't understand and it really is a common misconception; is they veiw these cartels as being just muscle and no brains. Make no mistakes about them, they are : well financed, well equipped, and have access to information via bribes or threats.
There are probably only a dozen or so true "hackers" in their group(s?). The rest are script kiddies or use GUI programs. What is going to happen is if they go this route they are going to get a bunch of people(a majority of innocents) killed. They are going to put themselves and their families at risk. They think that being in the US,Canada,Europe that they are safe; they are sadly mistaken.
I cant fault them for wanting to go after people who are inherently bad, but they really need to think something like this out more especially in dealing with the consequences which will definitely be there.
Just fyi, script kiddies do nothing in the anonymous groups. Those true blue hackers are those that des the job; sometimes they require the help of those script kiddies with gui programs to weaken the security. That all. Also, basic -advanced security measures were made for these kiddies before allowing them to help. If they could bring down malaysian government websites overnight WITHOUT the help of these lulsec bigshots, then...
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
The cartel can't really do anything to Anon, in the same way that Anon can't hurt the cartel. Neither has enough information about the other to take any meaningful or significant action.
That's why some innocent people are goin to suffer from this. Also, the kidnapped person is not gonna have a great time the next few days to say the least...
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
The cartel can't really do anything to Anon, in the same way that Anon can't hurt the cartel. Neither has enough information about the other to take any meaningful or significant action.
On the contrary, Anon has strong ties from within the U.S. government and can effectively remove them as a threat with a snap of their fingers.
On November 01 2011 08:53 Chairman Ray wrote: After watching Breaking Bad, I'm kind of scared what the cartel might do. Anon may have good intentions, but this might not turn out so well.
The cartel can't really do anything to Anon, in the same way that Anon can't hurt the cartel. Neither has enough information about the other to take any meaningful or significant action.
On the contrary, Anon has strong ties from within the U.S. government and can effectively remove them as a threat with a snap of their fingers.
What makes anonymous so feared is speculation, I've yet to be impressed with anything they have done and look forward to seeing if this actually works.
Legalize drugs and this would not even be an issue. This whole fiasco is Government run amok. It is hard to fathom how many deaths are caused yearly from the State. The FDA, Drug Cartels, Imperialism & War...millions at least.
I don't understand why everyone is being so negative. Anonymous has a very low chance to get hurt from this, while there is a chance that something may actually happen from this little threat. However, if the drug cartels are as ruthless as said in this thread, then anon should stop this right now!!!!! Just because they can't find actual anonymous members, doesn't mean they won't use ordinary people as hostages, forcing anon to stop.
On November 02 2011 02:26 Wegandi wrote: Legalize drugs and this would not even be an issue. This whole fiasco is Government run amok. It is hard to fathom how many deaths are caused yearly from the State. The FDA, Drug Cartels, Imperialism & War...millions at least.
Uh.. English is obviously not my first language, but I really didn't get the part with "This whole fiasco is Government run amok". Care to explain? What do you mean by deaths caused by the State? Death penalty or what? As far as I know the deaths caused are mainly when dealing with the harder drug industry. Considering the damage that drugs do to people I wouldn't want it legalized. Especially not heroin, cocaine, meth etc. I highly doubt that millions die yearly by the things you listed, although it's kind of wide to pull in wars in general into the whole argument. What the hell do you even mean by imperialism? That's
I think the criminals behind it would start producing whatever gave them the most profit. If you remove the profit out of producing marijuana through legalizing it (which is a popular opinion in comparison to legalizing all drugs which you kind of hinted at) they'd just start producing more cocaine, heroin and what have you. That's just what I think though.
On November 02 2011 02:39 Dark_Chill wrote: I don't understand why everyone is being so negative. Anonymous has a very low chance to get hurt from this, while there is a chance that something may actually happen from this little threat. However, if the drug cartels are as ruthless as said in this thread, then anon should stop this right now!!!!! Just because they can't find actual anonymous members, doesn't mean they won't use ordinary people as hostages, forcing anon to stop.
My negativity is in the way they will blatantly put people who stuck in a shitty situation out to dry. For every 10 people they out as "cartel supporters" how many do you think are willingly 100% backing xxx cartel? 5? and what happens to the other 5 people who are basically hostages in their own towns? They are fucked, they cant get help from local police, if they turn to the wrong person to try and get away they are done. You dont walk away from people like this free.
I gotta admit I am stunned with how many people think that the people in "anonymous" are these criminal masterminds that are never ever found. it's so "mind bottling" to me =/
On November 02 2011 02:26 Wegandi wrote: Legalize drugs and this would not even be an issue. This whole fiasco is Government run amok. It is hard to fathom how many deaths are caused yearly from the State. The FDA, Drug Cartels, Imperialism & War...millions at least.
Uh.. English is obviously not my first language, but I really didn't get the part with "This whole fiasco is Government run amok". Care to explain? What do you mean by deaths caused by the State? Death penalty or what? As far as I know the deaths caused are mainly when dealing with the harder drug industry. Considering the damage that drugs do to people I wouldn't want it legalized. Especially not heroin, cocaine, meth etc. I highly doubt that millions die yearly by the things you listed, although it's kind of wide to pull in wars in general into the whole argument. What the hell do you even mean by imperialism? That's
I think the criminals behind it would start producing whatever gave them the most profit. If you remove the profit out of producing marijuana through legalizing it (which is a popular opinion in comparison to legalizing all drugs which you kind of hinted at) they'd just start producing more cocaine, heroin and what have you. That's just what I think though.
Since you are not American perhaps you are not aware of the myriad of the thousands and thousands and thousands of laws that criminalize pretty much every behavior.
The problem of the cartels is a product of the Government Prohibition on drugs. Restore our rightful liberties and this problem disappears. You do not see Budweiser shooting up Coors do you? Same with Prostitution & all the other criminalized activities which increases costs, gives rise to violent exploitative practices, and denies justice to those in that trade. You never see a drug dealer going to the cops to report someone murdering one of his partners, dealers, or someone stealing his product do you? Same goes for those on the receiving end of the Cartel violence.
If you never criminalized drugs then all those deaths by the cartels would have never happened, because the Cartels would have never existed, just like how Al Capone and Baby Face Nelson would have never existed if there was never alcohol Prohibition. Similarly, the FDA kills many millions by withholding life-saving drugs for DECADES. The average time it takes a product to reach the consumer is 15 years and billions of dollars thanks to the FDA. Imagine denying a life-saving drug for 15 years and how many lives you could have saved in that time. War & Imperialism is obvious. The US kills many hundreds of thousands each year. (Remember when Madeline Albright said the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it? -- Sanctions always hurt the people, not the State Regime) I could go on and on.
A lot of people use harder drugs because it is illegal. It is the lure of forbidden lust. You see the same thing in reverse psychology. How many people are drinking moonshine today? Not that many. How about in 1930? A lot more. Keeping any product prohibited increases its consumption. In any event, it is immoral to deny another person their own faculties to make their own decisions about their own body. You have no right or authority to restrict a persons choice over their own bodies. If someone wants to do some drug that is their right. All drugs should be legalized immediately and unconditionally. The BATF should be a name of a store, not a Government agency.
Edit: My point is if Anonymous wants to fight the cartels, they should be fighting for the legalization of all drugs.
On November 02 2011 02:26 Wegandi wrote: Legalize drugs and this would not even be an issue. This whole fiasco is Government run amok. It is hard to fathom how many deaths are caused yearly from the State. The FDA, Drug Cartels, Imperialism & War...millions at least.
Uh.. English is obviously not my first language, but I really didn't get the part with "This whole fiasco is Government run amok". Care to explain? What do you mean by deaths caused by the State? Death penalty or what? As far as I know the deaths caused are mainly when dealing with the harder drug industry. Considering the damage that drugs do to people I wouldn't want it legalized. Especially not heroin, cocaine, meth etc. I highly doubt that millions die yearly by the things you listed, although it's kind of wide to pull in wars in general into the whole argument. What the hell do you even mean by imperialism? That's
I think the criminals behind it would start producing whatever gave them the most profit. If you remove the profit out of producing marijuana through legalizing it (which is a popular opinion in comparison to legalizing all drugs which you kind of hinted at) they'd just start producing more cocaine, heroin and what have you. That's just what I think though.
There are basic economic principles why criminalizing opiates is good for drug cartels, but bad for consumers of drugs and for society as a whole. I might edit in a brief explanation later.
Gosh, people need to watch less cartoons and fucking do research before talking
Rat out cartel supporters?
rat out to who? Everybody, the government, the military, know who they are.
And even then, yeah rat them out to the competition... Sure. Now you have killed people who were basically hostages, cooperate or die.
Block bank accounts? They own the banks.Hell chances are that they have their hands on every form of business in Mexico
I don't doubt that Anon will probably walk away unscathed from this(because if someone gets killed they always have the ability to deny that he was anon *rollseyes*) but they won't help and will likely make stuff worse.
And seriously? Legalizing drugs? We might as well legalize everything because this guys are career criminals, they would still be criminals and just deal with other stuff.
If you really want to help Mexico, pressure your government so that they stop selling fucking weapons to the cartel, make the US government pressure the Mexican government to clean up the corruption.
What makes me even sadder is that if something comes out of this, people will be like : "Lulz anon did everything" while the people who were out protesting,denouncing and dying every day on Mexico(which BTW has more journalist deaths than war countries like Irak) get 0 credit.
I don't dislike anon, but realistically chances are that the dude who got kidnapped is dead already and that they will probably do more harm than good. And as I said in my last post, they are not backwater guerrilas stuck in the mountains with no technological skill, chances are that they have hackers of their own and they don't have qualms in being ruthless to civilians.
Sorry, people just don't seem to realize how stuff is here and I honestly can't say if some of you guys are trolling or not.
i could have called this cancellation coming, this was like the definition of getting in over you;re head :/
Also who the hell are these two members of Anonymous, and Skill3r GlynissParoubek? and why are they entitled to cancelling the operation? i thought Anonymous had no organization? or do they just say that to sound badass?
Apparently one Anon member says the attacks were cancelled. Another says that the attacks are alive and well. I say that the cartel is gonna make an example of some poor online blogger or hacker regardless of whether or not the attacks are cancelled. Just as the article says, even if they cant catch Anon members I wouldnt be surprised if they get ruthless with other online bloggers just to serve as examples of what "will" happen. Anonymous wont get any support from the locals I bet.
The Anonymous IberoAmerica website says it will form a "special task force" by invitation only to find out and publish information about cartel collaborators, a potentially deadly undertaking since rivals often kill identified members of the Zetas.
The website even included a series of security steps, such as urging members to send messages through a proxy server, and never to identify themselves as part of Anonymous.
The page also offers a supposedly secure widget to help protect users.
^ yes post your defense so that the people you are hunting can find weakness; that will really keep you safe
The Anonymous IberoAmerica website says it will form a "special task force" by invitation only to find out and publish information about cartel collaborators, a potentially deadly undertaking since rivals often kill identified members of the Zetas.
The website even included a series of security steps, such as urging members to send messages through a proxy server, and never to identify themselves as part of Anonymous.
The page also offers a supposedly secure widget to help protect users.
^ yes post your defense so that the people you are hunting can find weakness; that will really keep you safe
unless they are really stupid this widget is a trojan targeted to infect those wanting to identify them. And if it isn't it is still probably just a decoy
Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users
A woman was hogtied and disemboweled, her intestines protruding from three deep cuts on her abdomen. Attackers left her topless, dangling by her feet and hands from a bridge in the border city of Nuevo Laredo. A bloodied man next to her was hanging by his hands, his right shoulder severed so deeply the bone was visible.
Signs left near the bodies declared the pair, both apparently in their early 20s, were killed for posting denouncements of drug cartel activities on a social network.
"This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the Internet," one sign said. "You better (expletive) pay attention. I'm about to get you."
Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users
A woman was hogtied and disemboweled, her intestines protruding from three deep cuts on her abdomen. Attackers left her topless, dangling by her feet and hands from a bridge in the border city of Nuevo Laredo. A bloodied man next to her was hanging by his hands, his right shoulder severed so deeply the bone was visible.
Signs left near the bodies declared the pair, both apparently in their early 20s, were killed for posting denouncements of drug cartel activities on a social network.
"This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the Internet," one sign said. "You better (expletive) pay attention. I'm about to get you."
On November 04 2011 02:18 Grettin wrote: Surprise surprise..
Bodies hanging from bridge in Mexico are warning to social media users
A woman was hogtied and disemboweled, her intestines protruding from three deep cuts on her abdomen. Attackers left her topless, dangling by her feet and hands from a bridge in the border city of Nuevo Laredo. A bloodied man next to her was hanging by his hands, his right shoulder severed so deeply the bone was visible.
Signs left near the bodies declared the pair, both apparently in their early 20s, were killed for posting denouncements of drug cartel activities on a social network.
"This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the Internet," one sign said. "You better (expletive) pay attention. I'm about to get you."
On November 02 2011 05:49 Wegandi wrote: A lot of people use harder drugs because it is illegal. It is the lure of forbidden lust. You see the same thing in reverse psychology. How many people are drinking moonshine today? Not that many. How about in 1930? A lot more. Keeping any product prohibited increases its consumption.
Less people drink Moonshine now than in 1930
But how many people drink alcohol today v. in 1930... I would say a far greater % of the population drinks alcohol now than in 1930.
There are social costs to legalizing drugs (behavior of those under the influence of them affecting others, ie drunk driving accidents). Now whether those costs are comparable to illegalizing drugs (supporting criminal cartels) is definitely debatable.
I'd agree in priciple allowing more freedom is good, but not always (I'm sure there are very few defenders of the second amendment would apply it to nuclear weapons, nerve gas, or weaponized smallpox)
"....Nevertheless, there has subsequently been conflicting reports of whether the operation is truly backed by Anonymous as a whole, but Anonymous Mexico released the following statement via their Facebook page:
“Dear Followers of this page. Through this medium Anonymous Mexico denies all responsibility about the news of the hacking of one page allegedly related to a cartel. [...] Our fight is not of this kind and our ideals are not in tune with that operation. The note published in many electronic media is completely false. We ask for your support in distributing this communique.[50]”
"...Mike Vigil, the retired head of the Drug Enforcement Administration, mentioned that "Los Zetas should take Anonymous seriously."[55] Moreover, Stratfor mentioned that Los Zetas also has experts in computer intelligence who are believed to track down the "anti-cartel" campaigns online,[56] which has made experts understand the high rate of journalist executions.[57] In addition, they mentioned that the Mexican drug cartels generally have people monitor forums, news websites, and blogs to help them be in touch with what is being publish and with what could affect their interests." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Zetas_Cartel
I believe Anonymous Mexico in general backed out, but there's still some individuals going through with the plan. I still think they're total ballers, but what can you do with a handful of hackers vs an organisation like this : (
On November 04 2011 03:25 Paperplane wrote: I believe Anonymous Mexico in general backed out, but there's still some individuals going through with the plan. I still think they're total ballers, but what can you do with a handful of hackers vs an organisation like this : (
According to this and this, they are going forward with the whole operation. Hard to say who is backing who and what. And who knows what is happening or going to happen.
Right, because releasing the names of the drug cartel members who essentially own the vast majority of Mexican government, intelligence agencies, and police forces is going to strike such a blow.
Right, because releasing the names of the drug cartel members who essentially own the vast majority of Mexican government, intelligence agencies, and police forces is going to strike such a blow.
Each name and/or affiliation that is brought to the public will cause those people to be killed.
The threat out outing names and agencies is very real. It is a death sentence. There are many very strong and well funded criminal organizations.....
I'm very proud of the Mexican community, they have to take up this fight, they must combat criminal tyranny.
If Anonymous is such that no one really knows who is all in the group, how will we know if the Zetas catch and kill a member? While they wait for their computer experts to track em down, they could catch and kill random people they dont like and claim that they are members of the group responsible for the threats against the Zetas. Anonymous will of course deny it regardless of whether or not they are actually members.
Also, how do we know Anonymous's information about the Zeta members is accurate? If some of their names arent even Zeta members, people will die needlessly. I dunno, they might have good intentions but I think a lot of innocent people are going to suffer. Its a little too late now though. If the Zetas are tracking them down now, I doubt theyll stop even if Anonymous all announce theyre cancelling the attacks
According to a danish newspaper Los Zetas released the Anon member. And members of Anon confirms this.. Dunno if it is a bluff or whatever, but it seems they got what they wanted..
The south american community is still very much going forward!
They are organizing and working together online in the hacking/cracking/info sharing networks more towards the distruction of the zetas and corruption than ever before!
One of the core values of the 'Anonymous' movement is to never be anyone's personal army. This was a value lost when Sabu was the head of lulzsec, as he prettymuch told the anonymous people what to do, when to ddos someone and so on. Now they started an Op to be some mexican dude's personal army? And then they promptly release a statement saying 'Nah bro we don't really want to fuck with the cartel'. They're starting to make a joke of themselves now.
On November 05 2011 08:14 dangerjoe wrote: According to a danish newspaper Los Zetas released the Anon member. And members of Anon confirms this.. Dunno if it is a bluff or whatever, but it seems they got what they wanted..
Awesome so anonymous achieved what they wanted to! Take THAT haters and doubters! People CAN achieve things when they nut up and stand up to these evil cowards
On November 05 2011 08:41 Guard011 wrote: One of the core values of the 'Anonymous' movement is to never be anyone's personal army. This was a value lost when Sabu was the head of lulzsec, as he prettymuch told the anonymous people what to do, when to ddos someone and so on. Now they started an Op to be some mexican dude's personal army? And then they promptly release a statement saying 'Nah bro we don't really want to fuck with the cartel'. They're starting to make a joke of themselves now.
Rubbish. Being a personal army =! doing something because they feel it is right.
On November 05 2011 08:41 Guard011 wrote: One of the core values of the 'Anonymous' movement is to never be anyone's personal army. This was a value lost when Sabu was the head of lulzsec, as he prettymuch told the anonymous people what to do, when to ddos someone and so on. Now they started an Op to be some mexican dude's personal army? And then they promptly release a statement saying 'Nah bro we don't really want to fuck with the cartel'. They're starting to make a joke of themselves now.
Rubbish. Being a personal army =! doing something because they feel it is right.
The point is that they are letting someone command them, some (one) person telling them what to do, and that's something they used to be against, and have openly said that this was not how they would operate.
On November 05 2011 08:14 dangerjoe wrote: According to a danish newspaper Los Zetas released the Anon member. And members of Anon confirms this.. Dunno if it is a bluff or whatever, but it seems they got what they wanted..
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
Right, because releasing the names of the drug cartel members who essentially own the vast majority of Mexican government, intelligence agencies, and police forces is going to strike such a blow.
Sensationalism much? Are you telling me los Zetas/CDG/whoever "own" the "vast majority" of the government? Because that's what you wrote, and it's not quite accurate. There is corruption, obviously, and it's a huge problem on many levels -- especially at the local level of authorities. However, it's not as if the "entire police force/government forces/military/whatever" is in bed with the drug cartels. It doesn't work that way. In full, open contacts, the Mexican military still controls the battlefield, although that does not say the situation is not a mess. You don't have patrols of cartel fighters overrunning military bases or corrupting entire factions of the army/police... come on. It's more subtle and more focused at a local level, widespread
In any case, the concern with releasing names is that others pick up the names and act on the information. Sometimes by "act on the information", what I really mean is "brutally murder them".
On November 05 2011 08:14 dangerjoe wrote: According to a danish newspaper Los Zetas released the Anon member. And members of Anon confirms this.. Dunno if it is a bluff or whatever, but it seems they got what they wanted..
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
They still have the info they try to blackmail them to do their bidding they still have that list that the Cartel didn't want to get out. But crossing a cartel like that isn't something you can just put behind you, he'll have to live with this the rest of his life probably.
Just read this in the Swedish newspaper aswell. Im glad the guy got released and I hope anonymous leaves this shit now so no innocent people get killed.
On November 06 2011 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: So anonymus announces 2 huge ass operations which stir a lot of attention, then back out? Ok, i guess i just wont read these kind of stuff anymore
why do you post if your not even interested enough to read about it before posting?
Los Zetas released the Anon Member, they didnt back out, Anonymus got what they wanted.
They just forced a Drug cartel that goverments have trouble with, to meet their demands, "this kind of stuff" is pretty interesting, defiently worth to keep reading that.
Edit:
On November 05 2011 22:24 Cascade wrote:
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
How can you possibly think Los Zetas are in a good spot with this? They got 25.000+ Emails stolen by Anonymus, and Anon knows multiple Undercover Zeta Identities. We dont know the number, but it could be anything from 10-100 exposed Zetas.
Zetas Kill the ONE anon dude, then Email the List to Zetas Rivals, and loads of Zetas will die, far far more than the 1 anon dude
Luckily for Zeta Anon arent ruthless murderers and wouldnt trade 1 friends life for 100 enemys life, Zeta would be dumb as hell if they force the Release on the data by goin for the anon dude.
Anonymous calls off outing of cartel after release of kidnapped member By Sean Gallagher | Published about 22 hours ago Anonymous IberoAmerica, the Latin American collective within the Anonymous hacktivist group, has called off its operation to expose members of the Zetas narcotics cartel after announcing that a kidnapped Anonymous member was released. The released hostage also reportedly delivered a message: that the Zetas would kill ten people for every name of a Zeta associate released by Anonymous.
Anonymous members launched an effort called OpCartel last week after claiming a member had been kidnapped during a "Operation Paperstorm" protest in Veracruz. The group threatened to "dox" members of the cartel, releasing names and addresses of taxi drivers, journalists, and members of law enforcement associated with the group. To collect information to aid in their effort, the group posted a "plug-in" Web application to allow would-be informants to protect their identities while providing names and other information.
Over the past few days, however, there has been growing dissention within the group about going forward with the effort; the Zetas had responded with online efforts of their own, sending death threats through Twitter and other channels, including a claim that they had tracked down the IP address of the user of one Anonymous Twitter account. According to Stratfor Global Intelligence analyst Ben West, the Zetas have their own computer security resources, and could conceivably have made efforts to identify Anonymous members as retribution.
"Since we have seen evidence of cartels employing their own computer scientists to engage in cybercrime," he said in a video report, "it is logical to conclude that the cartels likely have individuals working to track anti-cartel bloggers and hackers. Those individuals involved thus face the risk of abduction, injury and death—judging by how Los Zetas have dealt with threats in the past."
After briefly cancelling the effort on November 2, the Anonymous group apparently voted to move forward with the plan according to a video post by Barrett Brown, who has acted as the public face of Anonymous in the past. But just a day later, the operation was called off again, apparently because Anonymous had met its original goal.
"On this day, our anonymous friend retained by the Zetas cartel has been released," the group said in a statement on its website. "We can say that while bruised, he is alive and well. He has sent us a message that if Anonymous reveals a name related to the cartel, the family of the kidnapped anonymous will suffer, and for each cartel member revealed, ten people will be put to death. The Anonymous collective has decided by consensus not to disclose the information that we have for now, as we understand that we can not ignore threats involving innocent civilians that have nothing to do with our actions."
On November 06 2011 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: So anonymus announces 2 huge ass operations which stir a lot of attention, then back out? Ok, i guess i just wont read these kind of stuff anymore
why do you post if your not even interested enough to read about it before posting?
Los Zetas released the Anon Member, they didnt back out, Anonymus got what they wanted.
They just forced a Drug cartel that goverments have trouble with, to meet their demands, "this kind of stuff" is pretty interesting, defiently worth to keep reading that.
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
How can you possibly think Los Zetas are in a good spot with this? They got 25.000+ Emails stolen by Anonymus, and Anon knows multiple Undercover Zeta Identities. We dont know the number, but it could be anything from 10-100 exposed Zetas.
Zetas Kill the ONE anon dude, then Email the List to Zetas Rivals, and loads of Zetas will die, far far more than the 1 anon dude
Luckily for Zeta Anon arent ruthless murderers and wouldnt trade 1 friends life for 100 enemys life, Zeta would be dumb as hell if they force the Release on the data by goin for the anon dude.
well they backed out from their operation of exposing Zetas and accomplices, which arguably would have been a move against crime etc, but as it turns out they wanted themselves safe. Ok, Zetas made further threats, so it's reasonable to back out, but still, it's 2 major operation which i was curious (this and facebook) about and neither of them was even started afaik. My point is, i just dont really care anymore about this stuff, will wait till things actually happen, then look into it.
On November 06 2011 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: So anonymus announces 2 huge ass operations which stir a lot of attention, then back out? Ok, i guess i just wont read these kind of stuff anymore
why do you post if your not even interested enough to read about it before posting?
Los Zetas released the Anon Member, they didnt back out, Anonymus got what they wanted.
They just forced a Drug cartel that goverments have trouble with, to meet their demands, "this kind of stuff" is pretty interesting, defiently worth to keep reading that.
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On November 05 2011 22:24 Cascade wrote:
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
How can you possibly think Los Zetas are in a good spot with this? They got 25.000+ Emails stolen by Anonymus, and Anon knows multiple Undercover Zeta Identities. We dont know the number, but it could be anything from 10-100 exposed Zetas.
Zetas Kill the ONE anon dude, then Email the List to Zetas Rivals, and loads of Zetas will die, far far more than the 1 anon dude
Luckily for Zeta Anon arent ruthless murderers and wouldnt trade 1 friends life for 100 enemys life, Zeta would be dumb as hell if they force the Release on the data by goin for the anon dude.
well they backed out from their operation of exposing Zetas and accomplices, which arguably would have been a move against crime etc, but as it turns out they wanted themselves safe. Ok, Zetas made further threats, so it's reasonable to back out, but still, it's 2 major operation which i was curious (this and facebook) about and neither of them was even started afaik. My point is, i just dont really care anymore about this stuff, will wait till things actually happen, then look into it.
The facebook one was confirmed fake a long time ago.
On November 06 2011 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: So anonymus announces 2 huge ass operations which stir a lot of attention, then back out? Ok, i guess i just wont read these kind of stuff anymore
why do you post if your not even interested enough to read about it before posting?
Los Zetas released the Anon Member, they didnt back out, Anonymus got what they wanted.
They just forced a Drug cartel that goverments have trouble with, to meet their demands, "this kind of stuff" is pretty interesting, defiently worth to keep reading that.
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On November 05 2011 22:24 Cascade wrote:
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
How can you possibly think Los Zetas are in a good spot with this? They got 25.000+ Emails stolen by Anonymus, and Anon knows multiple Undercover Zeta Identities. We dont know the number, but it could be anything from 10-100 exposed Zetas.
Zetas Kill the ONE anon dude, then Email the List to Zetas Rivals, and loads of Zetas will die, far far more than the 1 anon dude
Luckily for Zeta Anon arent ruthless murderers and wouldnt trade 1 friends life for 100 enemys life, Zeta would be dumb as hell if they force the Release on the data by goin for the anon dude.
well they backed out from their operation of exposing Zetas and accomplices, which arguably would have been a move against crime etc, but as it turns out they wanted themselves safe. Ok, Zetas made further threats, so it's reasonable to back out, but still, it's 2 major operation which i was curious (this and facebook) about and neither of them was even started afaik. My point is, i just dont really care anymore about this stuff, will wait till things actually happen, then look into it.
They never created an Operation with the intent to expose Zetas.... They made an Operation with the intent to get their member released, which they achieved by threatening to expose Zetas No Backing out done here
On November 06 2011 00:24 Geo.Rion wrote: So anonymus announces 2 huge ass operations which stir a lot of attention, then back out? Ok, i guess i just wont read these kind of stuff anymore
why do you post if your not even interested enough to read about it before posting?
Los Zetas released the Anon Member, they didnt back out, Anonymus got what they wanted.
They just forced a Drug cartel that goverments have trouble with, to meet their demands, "this kind of stuff" is pretty interesting, defiently worth to keep reading that.
Edit:
On November 05 2011 22:24 Cascade wrote:
According to this article, the Zetas had a condition though: if anonymous ever publish that information, they will go after the guy and his family. So even though they got their guy out, I think Zetas won the game... now they have locked down the anonymous information, since they know the identity of one of them. Maybe it was a bad move from anonymous to tell zetas about one of their guys, because now zetas can blackmail them into anything essentially. What's next? "Anon, give us info about that other clan, or we will kill the sister of your guy!" Also, now anyone can kill (or at least put in very dangerous situation) this guy, and his family, by publishing information about zetas in the name of anonymous... Hmm, maybe anon went a bit outside their field of expertise... :/
How can you possibly think Los Zetas are in a good spot with this? They got 25.000+ Emails stolen by Anonymus, and Anon knows multiple Undercover Zeta Identities. We dont know the number, but it could be anything from 10-100 exposed Zetas.
Zetas Kill the ONE anon dude, then Email the List to Zetas Rivals, and loads of Zetas will die, far far more than the 1 anon dude
Luckily for Zeta Anon arent ruthless murderers and wouldnt trade 1 friends life for 100 enemys life, Zeta would be dumb as hell if they force the Release on the data by goin for the anon dude.
well they backed out from their operation of exposing Zetas and accomplices, which arguably would have been a move against crime etc, but as it turns out they wanted themselves safe. Ok, Zetas made further threats, so it's reasonable to back out, but still, it's 2 major operation which i was curious (this and facebook) about and neither of them was even started afaik. My point is, i just dont really care anymore about this stuff, will wait till things actually happen, then look into it.
The facebook one was confirmed fake a long time ago.
really? what i gathered was that they announced it, found out that they cant pull it off cuz not even they among themselves agree so it was deemed as fake. I could be wrong
What I want to know is, how on Earth did Anonymous find this supposed info on the cartel's "undercover" agents? Do the big-wigs in the drug world have all kinds of info haphazardly stored on non-secure drives or something ridiculous?
I kinda figured that sort of info would be very low key, even for the people keeping track of it (and by low key I mean, not only heavily guarded, but not documented in any incriminating fashion).
What I want to know is, how on Earth did Anonymous find this supposed info on the cartel's "undercover" agents? Do the big-wigs in the drug world have all kinds of info haphazardly stored on non-secure drives or something ridiculous?
I kinda figured that sort of info would be very low key, even for the people keeping track of it (and by low key I mean, not only heavily guarded, but not documented in any incriminating fashion).
I honestly don't think anywhere on the web is safe against the hackers
On November 14 2011 15:03 TheBomb wrote: Hold and behold nothing happened just as I told you.
One guy talking out of his butt was enough, but two? Shame on you.
If you actually read what people said you would know by now that the cartels released Anon's guy and threatened to harm the guy's family and slay ten other innocent civilians for each name leaked.
All Anon wanted was for the safe release of their member, which the cartels complied with.
Hence the information they have won't be leaked for the time being.
EPT
