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Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
October 31 2011 15:08 GMT
#61
Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?

And why don't they simply release that information?
What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?

I don't understand that situation... :-/
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
October 31 2011 15:16 GMT
#62
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote:
Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?

And why don't they simply release that information?
What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?

I don't understand that situation... :-/


It could full well be a bluff that gradually becomes reality, that seems to me Anonymous' style. Atleast.. you think it is a bluff at first.

I hope they can stirr stuff up a bit, wouldn't mind seeing them in the news as something other than the stereotype nerd that they copied right out of some 90's movie.
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:19:03
October 31 2011 15:17 GMT
#63
Sounded like a convenient way to kill people you dislike, such as annoying neighbors. They can basically release random names and those people will be in risk, it's not like Mexican cartels need any reason or take their time to do background check before they kill someone.
Leenock the Punisher
BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
October 31 2011 15:19 GMT
#64
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote:
Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?

And why don't they simply release that information?
What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?

I don't understand that situation... :-/


It appears, after taking great pains to closely read the OP, that they're using the threat of releasing the information to ensure that no harm comes to their fellow hacker who was kidnapped, or that he is released.

My first feeling after reading this is that they are bluffing, using their mysterious and ruthless hacking reputation to get the guy released.

Also, doesn't the threat to hack significantly lower the chances of success?
MLG_Wiggin
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States767 Posts
October 31 2011 15:27 GMT
#65
Considering Mexican police and military won't take a stand against those guys, more power to a "bunch of pimply faced teenagers" for at least trying something.

As far as Anonymous as a whole goes (the hacking group, not the kids), I don't really have any problems with them. Considering the world we are living in now, a group that epitomizes anonymity that occasionally shakes things up non-violently might be a blessing to the populace, not a curse.
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minisockey
Profile Joined June 2011
99 Posts
October 31 2011 15:27 GMT
#66
some serious respect for anonymous right now hope november 5th goes according to plan
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 31 2011 15:30 GMT
#67
On November 01 2011 00:08 Morfildur wrote:
Wait, they have information about criminals but are withholding that information? Isn't that already a crime in itself?

And why don't they simply release that information?
What good will it do to withhold it? Are they hoping that those criminals will become nice guys because they know that their identities could be released?

I don't understand that situation... :-/


Well people who release information about Los Zetas end up dead hanging from a bridge.
Withholding this kind of information helps you stay alive
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 31 2011 15:33 GMT
#68
Isn't Anonymous also attacking CP websites on .onion?

They seem like they're actually trying to be the cyber police. It started with a bunch of games and now it's getting into the more serious area.
Life?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:39:08
October 31 2011 15:35 GMT
#69
On October 31 2011 19:27 ypolt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote:
Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.


If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.

Mexican stand off


I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.

It's nice they're actually trying to help now instead of troll people but unless they've got a SWAT team, escalations of situations like this will be entirely out of their control. Odds are the kidnapped person was already killed anyways.

Also, it's pretty funny that it has basically crossed no one's minds that it's possible that they're bluffing about actually having names of cartel members =/
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 31 2011 15:43 GMT
#70
On November 01 2011 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 19:27 ypolt wrote:
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote:
Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.


If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.

Mexican stand off


I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.


Though I kinda agree with you that I think they're in over their heads I just dislike that way of thinking in general. I don't really think the blood's on Anonymous' hands because they're not the ones pulling the trigger.

I mean I see where you're going with this, you don't want to provoke this group. But what the hell are they supposed to do? Somebody's gotta do something.
veQ
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland339 Posts
October 31 2011 15:46 GMT
#71
Well, its the internet - almost everything is possible here.
But anyway I'm with them, I dont think they'll really get facebook down forever but for atleast few hours. Just to make sure OP_facebook wasnt a bluff :D
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 15:53:13
October 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#72
On November 01 2011 00:43 Paperplane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On October 31 2011 19:27 ypolt wrote:
On October 31 2011 19:24 romanov wrote:
Yeah, good chance that this cartel will just pick up 10 random children of the street ant threaten to kill them if this happen's. Not much more they can do about it.


If they do that though and Anonymous does release the information then the other cartels will have wiped them out in a week.

Mexican stand off


I highly doubt that the cartel would actually respond that way, but if they did that would NOT be the right choice for anonymous to make because they'd then have the blood of 10 children on their hands.


Though I kinda agree with you that I think they're in over their heads I just dislike that way of thinking in general. I don't really think the blood's on Anonymous' hands because they're not the ones pulling the trigger.

I mean I see where you're going with this, you don't want to provoke this group. But what the hell are they supposed to do? Somebody's gotta do something.


You're right that it would obviously be the actual individuals who are directly responsible for pulling the trigger, but they definitely would share in the blame for acting so irresponsibly.

If I were to enter one of the drug cartel's "houses" and start talking shit about how immoral and wrong they are and destroying their goods and ended up shot and dead, you wouldn't say I killed myself, but I don't think anyone would object to the claim that I was acting wrongly or didn't have any blame in my own death.

Somebody doesn't have to do something, in fact it would be better if they did nothing if the situation we just described ends up happening (although it's highly unlikely as already mentioned). Action for the sake of action is not a good thing in itself, and bad action is even worse than no action at all.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
October 31 2011 15:54 GMT
#73
They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.

The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.

They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.


Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.

Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.
Paperplane
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands1823 Posts
October 31 2011 15:59 GMT
#74
This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting.
It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.

Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 16:06:01
October 31 2011 16:04 GMT
#75
On November 01 2011 00:59 Paperplane wrote:
This debate has come up a million times and I just find it very interesting.
It's quite similar to do you give in to the demands of criminals who take hostages? If you do you might save lives that moment, but more people will take hostages because it works. And vice versa if you don't give em what they want.

Neither is right or wrong but I love pretending to be all philosophical sometimes.


There's a huge difference though between vigilantes fighting only with the internet and professional SWAT teams or military forces trained to deal with such encounters.

If you love pretending to be all philosophical, you'd have no problem explaining why neither is right or wrong though in the case of negotiating with criminals in hostage situations.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
October 31 2011 16:05 GMT
#76
dam, you gotta have a lot of balls to take on the cartel..
hi
Geosensation
Profile Joined March 2011
United States256 Posts
October 31 2011 16:05 GMT
#77
On November 01 2011 00:54 zalz wrote:
They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.

The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.

They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.


Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.

Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.



I agree with some of this. The part about the cartels not giving a fuck, totally true. But to say the government can't mount a serious offensive is just wrong. They have mounted a serious offensive for the past 5 years. The cartels just have too much money to buy weapons and recruit more soldiers for the government to win. And Mexico to an extent will be taken over by criminals, and by that I mean that once the PRI takes over the government once again they will most likely cut a deal giving the cartels whatever they want. But Mexico certainly won be the first state to have this happen. What about Somalia and other African countries? What about Russia for heaven's sake?
"My life for Aiur!"
Mootland
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland63 Posts
October 31 2011 16:12 GMT
#78
On November 01 2011 01:05 Geosensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2011 00:54 zalz wrote:
They can release that kind of information but the only result would be them getting a bullet in the face.

The fact is that the cartels don't give a fuck and don't need to give a fuck. You cross them, they kill you. There is no subtlety, there is no code of honour. You get in the way, they kill you. It's about as straightforward as it gets.

They allready own the government to such a degree that it can't mount a serious offensive and the police is to weak to crush them.


Mexico is well on it's way of becoming perhaps the very first state in the world to literally get taken over by criminals.

Anyone that stands up to the cartel is doing a good job but the reality is that the cartel really does not give a fuck and if they ever got seriously crossed they would go ahead and get their revenge.



I agree with some of this. The part about the cartels not giving a fuck, totally true. But to say the government can't mount a serious offensive is just wrong. They have mounted a serious offensive for the past 5 years. The cartels just have too much money to buy weapons and recruit more soldiers for the government to win. And Mexico to an extent will be taken over by criminals, and by that I mean that once the PRI takes over the government once again they will most likely cut a deal giving the cartels whatever they want. But Mexico certainly won be the first state to have this happen. What about Somalia and other African countries? What about Russia for heaven's sake?


You can't compare Russia to mexico and african countries, The cartel can cross just about anyone who they want in Mexico. Can't say the same about Russian mafia, you don't mess with the Vlad.
LXR
Profile Joined June 2011
357 Posts
October 31 2011 16:15 GMT
#79
This is more interesting than their previous threats. The drug cartels affect violence and social unrest throughout latin america. If the wrong thing goes downs, hundreds of thousands could die and many families may be destroyed. I hope they know what they're doing....
FraCuS
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1072 Posts
October 31 2011 16:19 GMT
#80
This seems like they are gonna interrogate the guy they kidnapped.
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