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On October 19 2011 08:49 SilentchiLL wrote:
EDIT: A little question which is not that important to the ongoing disscussion, how likely is it exactly to get sued for helping a little girl in a situation like that in china and how much of the fear of the chinese citizens just originated from panic?
This has already been answered. It doesn't matter if they didn't plan this. The parents could jump like vultures on a golden opportunity like this, countless working class family are desperate for money, that's why these scams are so frequent.
It is also possible to use fake blood etc. There are cases where people get their hands/feets cut off, and they would be used as begging tools for the criminals. It happens to the children and the elderly more since they are more pitiful.
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On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child.
So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life.
Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do."
See how long she and her children can live off those words.
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On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period.
I have no medical or emergency response training but i know that dragging a person who has been run over by two vehicles will likely cause more damage to that person. Why would I want to hurt them more? Here is an extreme example...what if her leg is hanging by the artery, but you don't see this because you aren't a doctor, so you pick her up and boop, leg falls off.
Whereas if you simply let the trained professionals handle it, it would have been fine. Then you have to live with the knowledge that if you did nothing, the girl would still have a leg, but you fucked her life over.
Tons of idiots around the world have attempted to perform CPR when it wasn't necessary, or they do it wrong because they don't know what the fuck they are doing, end up breaking the victim's sternum/ribs or puncture the guys' lungs. Oops. Good job, asshole.
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On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words.
As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way.
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On October 19 2011 09:02 MozzarellaL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. I have no medical or emergency response training but i know that dragging a person who has been run over by two vehicles will likely cause more damage to that person. Why would I want to hurt them more? Here is an extreme example...what if her leg is hanging by the artery, but you don't see this because you aren't a doctor, so you pick her up and boop, leg falls off. Whereas if you simply let the trained professionals handle it, it would have been fine. Then you have to live with the knowledge that if you did nothing, the girl would still have a leg, but you fucked her life over.
Yeah someone smart would set up a barricade, anything all that shit beside the incident and wall the street off and call an ambulance, fuck it ifyou cut off traffic, but you DEFINATLY dont drag the body, ever!
You can help, but you dont have to kill the person in the process.
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On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do."See how long she and her children can live off those words.
I think our opinions aren't changeable by the two of us at this point, I would reply exactly that and be done with the topic.
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On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way.
I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen. All else comes second
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On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen.
Hmm atleast it was made obvious now why our opinions are so different, I always thought that it's the first duty of a man to do what's right.
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On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen.
A man's first duty is to show his wife and children what a man should be. Hiding behind possible consequences is cowardice at the deepest level.
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On October 19 2011 09:13 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen. Hmm atleast it was made obvious now why our opinions are so different, I always thought that it's the first duty of a man to do what's right.
The term "right" is extremely subjective, tell me your definition of this right of yours, I can clearly define exactly what I should be doing and that is what's in the best interest of my family, but I am eager to learn this right that you speak of
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On October 19 2011 09:14 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:10 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. I feel naught but pity then, because a man's first duty is to protect their family so that doesn't happen. A man's first duty is to show his wife and children what a man should be. Hiding behind possible consequences is cowardice at the deepest level.
A coward with his family fed, his children schooled vs a brave that has thrown away his family, his children and their future, you yourself be the judge, I will speak no more of this
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I hope that those of you who think about things as right or wrong never visit China or India, there are literally vultures out looking for people like you with big hearts. To the people who grew up in slums or barely getting through with life, there's no such thing as right or wrong but just surviving, and they won't hesitate to betray your friendliness to help by backstabbing you with a lawsuit.
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On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way.
With no upfront medication without payment (even when your dying) surviving a Chinese winter is unlikely especially your child if he suddenly got sick because living off garbage and polluted water is rather unhygienic. Homelessness in China is practically a death sentence.
I'm with Blasterion on this one, I'd rather live with the guilt and regret and possibility the contempt of the people around me rather than knowing that I managed make my kids know what a big heart I've got while they are wasting away to death on the streets.
But seeing that I'm not a poor Chinese worker and a scam would not literally (not figuratively) destroy my family I would not hesitate to help in this situation.
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On October 19 2011 08:41 SilentchiLL wrote:
The big difference between the situation you described and the situation with the little girl is that in your example both persons are in immedeate danger and when you can safe only one the other will die because of you, but in the situation with the child the burden that one of the persons who fell isn't on your shoulders, it's not your fault that the world is not nearly perfect especially when you di what was right.
I'm not trying to compare that situation with this one. I'm trying to visualize the emotional reaction of a Chinese bystander to you.
Also I don't really understand your post. Are you saying that in yueyue's situation, it isn't my fault that she's injured? Of course it isn't. It gives me even less reasons to endanger my family.
I would immediately call for help anonymously, even if it cost a fee to do so. However, I will not risk to see my children's school savings go away because of a stupid scam court reasoning despite having done the right thing. Until that risk is mitigated, it will continue to be so.
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So many people here have no context of the reality of things and find ANY opportunity to bash China. It's pathetic to read. China is not like medieval Europe. The reality is that in China the number of scammer is WAY TOO HIGH. People pull stunts like this ALL the time and 99.9% of the incidents, if some poor sap tries to help the "kid in trouble", they go home to realize their wallet is gone. Of course sometimes the result in a person in need being negleted but what can you possibly expect the people to do? Come on people, actually understand the issues before blatantly bashing a whole culture.
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Didn't this type of thing also happen in the US a couple of times? Maybe 3 just off memory and i'm not even a US citizen. All 3 were middle aged males iirc. One was finally helped by a homeless woman, can't remember the outcome of the others.
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On October 19 2011 09:23 KryptoStorm wrote:
Didn't this type of thing also happen in the US a couple of times? Maybe 3 just off memory and i'm not even a US citizen. All 3 were middle aged males iirc. One was finally helped by a homeless woman, can't remember the outcome of the others.
Yes this has happened here as well. I remember something about a homeless man who ended up dieing in the middle of the street because nobody helped him.
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On October 19 2011 09:25 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:23 KryptoStorm wrote:
Didn't this type of thing also happen in the US a couple of times? Maybe 3 just off memory and i'm not even a US citizen. All 3 were middle aged males iirc. One was finally helped by a homeless woman, can't remember the outcome of the others. Yes this has happened here as well. I remember something about a homeless man who ended up dieing in the middle of the street because nobody helped him.
Yeah I think that's the one where he got beat up over a can of beer or something silly like that. You know I lost all hope in humanity a while ago but this once again reaffirms that feeling.
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On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way.
You are far too naive to be able to comprehend this situation. What you describe is a beautiful privilege that a righteous and universal system can provide. That system is not easily implemented in an overpopulated and corrupted country like China.
Well on a side note, the trend about Chinese women is that they are known to become more and more materialistic and selfish, and less and less sensitive and understanding...let's hope that things aren't as bad as they say.
EDIT: However the beautiful thing about the Chinese people is their extreme resilience and endurance, no matter how bad things are, they will carry on. It's strange to see so many here, who live in extremely privileged environments, claim how hope for humanity is lost by witnessing this, when these things happened throughout our history, only to be more visible due to technology in recent times.
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On October 19 2011 09:28 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 09:03 Magic_Mike wrote:On October 19 2011 09:00 madcow305 wrote:On October 19 2011 08:58 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. The question is, do I need more? I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child. So you help, parents sue you, fuked up Chinese courts rule against you, you pay 500,000 euro a year for the rest of your life. Then 5 years later, when your kids are following you around the slums while you dig through garbage cans for dinner, your wife asks you how they got in this mess. Your reply? "It was the right thing to do." See how long she and her children can live off those words. As long as it takes. People have lived off of much worse. At least she has a husband with character and integrity. And someone with that sort of integrity will no doubt be able to survive such a horrific loss of money. Someone who always does the right thing will find a way. You are far too naive to be able to comprehend this situation. What you describe is a beautiful privilege that a righteous and universal system can provide. That system is not easily implemented in an overpopulated and corrupted country like China. Well on a side note, the trend about Chinese women is that they are known to become more and more materialistic and selfish, and less and less sensitive and understanding...let's hope that things aren't as bad as they say.
I have some bad news for you
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