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On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes!
Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family,
Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 19 2011 08:11 Necrophantasia wrote:
There are far too many people in this thread looking at it from a western point of view. Sure it's easy to sit in your armchair and claim that you should be helping without actually knowing what it's like on the ground.
1/500 people being sued or scammed for helping? Try 1 in ten. Scamming in China is ALL over the place. I once had someone lay down at an intersection and claim that I hit them while I was in china. He demanded compensation on the spot and the POLICE were in on the scam as well. In fact the only way I got out of that was pretending to not speak Chinese and waving my Canadian passport around while declaring my status as a foreign national. The scammers found they bit off a little more than they could chew and fled.
There is NO justice in the judicial system and most people have no faith that it will help them(and rightfully so) with the amount of corruption and collaboration with scammers. Their credibility is also badly damaged by how the police are basically a tool to enforce the communist party agenda which most people view with cynicism.
The risk of scamming is very real. Too real in fact. I'll state this too. If I were there I wouldn't have jumped to the girl's aid either. The most I would do is call the authorities and perhaps attempt to divert traffic, but I wouldn't touch the girl or attempt to move her. Chinese justice is a farce. You need to protect yourself before you help others.
This man speaks the truth. There are many things in China that will frighten you but it happens as if its on a normal basis. In the past there has been milk contaminated with melamine in 2008, theres a new scam brewing using oil drained from sewage and processing it in to sell to restaurants and rebranding it to sell into supermarkets.
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On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin
Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader.
So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now?
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i stopped at two seconds. i can't even describe words right now. why did you post this on TL. just ruin my whole week...dear god.
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Ignorance is bliss isn't it?
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On October 19 2011 08:25 Blasterion wrote:
Ignorance is bliss isn't it?
A man does what's right not what's smart, I was in a similiar position already, though it wasn't that bad as if it could've f'd the future of my whole family and to this day I'm still happy that I made the decission I made (had luck, no long term aftermaths).
PS: I do not like your patronizing tone
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On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now?
Our value of man might be a bit different, because if I f'ed my family in trying to do the right think I probably fucked up really bad.
it's just as the man of the family there are risks you can't take. As a man you should already know what you should be protecting, and risking that for a girl you do not know isn't one of them. it isn't just about you having a good life, it's you, your parents, your children, their children.
If you talk about a man doing what it is right, then you probably wouldn't risk your children's future for a stranger, if you talk about doing what is right, protecting your family comes fore most.
That girl may have died, but my family is fed.
Like I said, priorities first, we as men all know what we MUST protect, and a stranger isn't very high on the list.
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On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now?
It sounds all cool and righteous now, but when it comes down to it I doubt many of the moral police here would actually do what they preach if they were in the shoes of a Chinese person.
Seriously think for a minute: if your girlfriend/parents/children for whom you worked your ass off for your whole life (i.e., slaving 14+h a day in school and in factories) was hanging on one end of the bridge, and some complete strangers on the other end, who would you save FIRST. Forget about how one side would die. Just who would you go for first, who do you care more for. That's about the instant feeling that a Chinese person would face in this situation (the shock will not allow you to think rationally or to armchair moralize, these types of situations call for instant reactions.)
I'm not defending the whole moral clusterfuck that caused this situation, but the self-righteousness of some people disgust me nearly as much to be quite honest. This is why the West is being told to mind their own affairs everywhere in Asia (and the world).
Additionally, let's just say that even the suggestion that this privileged western notion that integrity will triumph in the end would simply be laughable in China. I hope this event will push things towards the better, but the change is going to come slowly if at all.
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On October 19 2011 08:38 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now? Our value of man might be a bit different, because if I f'ed my family in trying to do the right think I probably fucked up really bad. it's just as the man of the family there are risks you can't take. As a man you should already know what you should be protecting, and risking that for a girl you do not know isn't one of them. it isn't just about you having a good life, it's you, your parents, your children, their children
It doesn't change that it's always right to safe a kid, the world might punish you for it and people will smile at you and think you're a blue-eyed fool, but that doesn't change a simple fact:
It is the right thing to do.
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On October 19 2011 08:38 RavenLoud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now? It sounds all cool and righteous now, but when it comes down to it I doubt many of the moral police here would actually do what they preach if they were in the shoes of a Chinese person. Seriously think for a minute: if your girlfriend/parents/children for whom you worked your ass off for your whole life (i.e., slaving 14+h a day in school and in factories) was hanging on one end of the bridge, and some complete strangers on the other end, who would you save FIRST. Forget about how one side would die. Just who would you go for first, who do you care more for. That's about the instant feeling that a Chinese person would face in this situation (the shock will not allow you to think rationally or to armchair moralize, these types of situations call for instant reactions.) I'm not defending the whole moral clusterfuck that caused this situation, but the self-righteousness of some people disgust me nearly as much to be quite honest. This is why the West is being told to mind their own affairs everywhere in Asia (and the world). Additionally, let's just say that even the suggestion that this privileged western notion that integrity will triumph in the end would simply be laughable in China. I hope this event will push things towards the better, but the change is going to come slowly if at all.
The big difference between the situation you described and the situation with the little girl is that in your example both persons are in immedeate danger and when you can safe only one the other will die because of you, but in the situation with the child the burden that one of the persons who fell isn't on your shoulders, it's not your fault that the world is not nearly perfect especially when you di what was right.
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On October 19 2011 08:41 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:38 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now? Our value of man might be a bit different, because if I f'ed my family in trying to do the right think I probably fucked up really bad. it's just as the man of the family there are risks you can't take. As a man you should already know what you should be protecting, and risking that for a girl you do not know isn't one of them. it isn't just about you having a good life, it's you, your parents, your children, their children It doesn't change that it's always right to safe a kid, the world might punish you for it and people will smile at you and think you're a blue-eyed fool, but that doesn't change a simple fact: It is the right thing to do.
But when you look at your own children starving because of your action, you would consider what you have done is mere moral-faggotry
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On October 19 2011 08:41 SilentchiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:38 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now? Our value of man might be a bit different, because if I f'ed my family in trying to do the right think I probably fucked up really bad. it's just as the man of the family there are risks you can't take. As a man you should already know what you should be protecting, and risking that for a girl you do not know isn't one of them. it isn't just about you having a good life, it's you, your parents, your children, their children It doesn't change that it's always right to safe a kid, the world might punish you for it and people will smile at you and think you're a blue-eyed fool, but that doesn't change a simple fact: It is the right thing to do.
let me reword my response, It would be ok if it was just me that would punished, but I will not put those who i have duty to protect in jeopardy for a stranger
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On October 19 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:41 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:38 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:24 SilentchiLL wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin Sometimes doing the right thing doesn't mean doing the smart thing, but I would do it anyway, any real man should, ofc one like that should never lead a country, because you sometimes have to make ethically wrong decissions there or in other big leading positions for the greater good and a good man is not always a good leader. So it doesn't matter if it's dangerous, it would be right and even if your future goes down the drain because of that you still did the right thing, some may think that that would be a small comfort in that situation, but would you rather know that a little innocent girl died because of you so you can have a good life, or that a little girl got the chance too live even if yours sucks now? Our value of man might be a bit different, because if I f'ed my family in trying to do the right think I probably fucked up really bad. it's just as the man of the family there are risks you can't take. As a man you should already know what you should be protecting, and risking that for a girl you do not know isn't one of them. it isn't just about you having a good life, it's you, your parents, your children, their children It doesn't change that it's always right to safe a kid, the world might punish you for it and people will smile at you and think you're a blue-eyed fool, but that doesn't change a simple fact: It is the right thing to do. let me reword my response, It would be ok if it was just me that would punished, but I will not put those who i have duty to protect in jeopardy for a stranger
You could've simply edited your post and a question that immedeatly came into my mind when I read some of the posts here was, who would think like that?
If I see a wounded person, a wounded CHILD I don't think what kind of consequences will it have on me, will I be rewarded or punished?
I help.
EDIT: A little question which is not that important to the ongoing disscussion, how likely is it exactly to get sued for helping a little girl in a situation like that in china and how much of the fear of the chinese citizens just originated from panic?
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Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period.
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The first time I saw this i was disgusted that people let her lay there dead, 18 ppl went by before someone helped.
Aparently china's version of twitter went fucking crazy over this
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On October 19 2011 08:53 iiGreetings wrote:
The first time I saw this i was disgusted that people let her lay there dead, 18 ppl went by before someone helped.
Aparently china's version of twitter went fucking crazy over this
Isn't china's version of twitter, twitter?
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Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago.
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On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago.
It's a moral issue not a logical one. Therefore what is right or wrong is what is being discussed or rather whether "right" is more important than logic. I have to say I am with him.
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On October 19 2011 08:56 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago. It's a moral issue not a logical one. Therefore what is right or wrong is what is being discussed or rather whether "right" is more important than logic. I have to say I am with him.
Except Blasterion isn't arguing whether it is morally right or wrong to help.
He even agrees that morally, you should help a dying child. But logically, this being China, he argues that the risk to him and his family isn't worth the girl's life.
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On October 19 2011 08:54 madcow305 wrote:
Silentchill, I like how you're unashamedly debating logic with feeling and arguing that doing what's "right" is somehow always better than doing what's intelligent.
You might as well be posting gibberish, you have no standpoint other than you feel that your position is "right."
Blasterion should have ignored you a long time ago.
The question is, do I need more?
I want to be able to look in the mirror and be proud, I don't want to lay in my bed and have regrets and there's no way that I would want to get reminded of the bleeding 2 year old little girl I left lying on the street to die, everytime I see a child.
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The golden rule don't do to others, what you don't want them to do to you, or in this case do for others what you would want to have done for you in their situation always applies.
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On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period.
It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting.
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