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On October 18 2011 22:27 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:20 NeThZOR wrote:
This is just so sad... bad that parents do not look after their children, and nobody even helping the child. This happend in front of the Store of the family, maybe the parents have been busy for just 5 minutes? Dont judge people before you know all that happened in that situation.
thats the whole point of the problem. you cant afford to let your guard down when taking care of a kid, especially when she isnt bound, in a potentially dangerous environment
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On October 18 2011 22:26 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
"This phenomenon of watching idly to this degree of accident may seem barbaric to us in the US" yeah right US is probably the last country to say somethink like that :D
Really? Coming from a Brazilian? Don't you guys have many of your own crime related problems? I really hope you get a ban.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 18 2011 21:37 Wrongspeedy wrote:Thank god they are trying to reward the people who helped her. I hope she stays alive, I have a feeling I will never forget this.
the reward will probably be a guilty sentence.... thanks god to those damned judgemen, they ruined Chinese kindness
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On October 18 2011 22:37 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:26 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
"This phenomenon of watching idly to this degree of accident may seem barbaric to us in the US" yeah right US is probably the last country to say somethink like that :D Really? Coming from a Brazilian? Don't you guys have many of your own crime related problems? I really hope you get a ban.
CAN WE STOP IT WITH THE GENERALIZATIONS?!?!
It's SO derailing of the thread, accomplishes nothing, and offends more people than you think.
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On October 18 2011 22:36 ShamTao wrote:
This happens absolutely everywhere in the world. The bystander effect, is it called?
Really sad, but it isn't just China, that's for sure. Please, please don't be judgmental (that goes for anybody in this thread!)
That is not the bystander effect. The bystander effect would be people watching as the girl is run over, mostly due to shock and inexperience in a situation of that kind. In the video, you see people who witnessed the girl being run over, walk right by her as if she was a piece of trash or roadkill. What is in the video is something much more unexplainable and disgusting than the bystander effect.
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I worked as an EMT for some time. There have been quite a few instances where I have been driving around and come upon an accident scene with serious injuries (where people have been airlifted and later died) and no "official" medical assistance has been there. I stopped to help, but I did because I knew for a fact that the the Samaritan Law had my back.
Now if there had been a precedent where people helping had been held liable, I would not stop. I could not jeopardize the future well being of my family (not even myself, I am not sure what I would do if I was alone) based on the whims of a stranger.
It is unfortunate that is the climate in China, but imo that does not reflect a cultural issue, rather simply a legal one due to a prevailing legal climate. This could be anywhere. The response the Chinese government gives will be interesting.
I would like to add that the Good Samaritan Law protects up to gross negligence, it is not totally absolving of all wrong doing..
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On October 18 2011 22:39 ShamTao wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:37 SupLilSon wrote:On October 18 2011 22:26 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
"This phenomenon of watching idly to this degree of accident may seem barbaric to us in the US" yeah right US is probably the last country to say somethink like that :D Really? Coming from a Brazilian? Don't you guys have many of your own crime related problems? I really hope you get a ban. CAN WE STOP IT WITH THE GENERALIZATIONS?!?! It's SO derailing of the thread, accomplishes nothing, and offends more people than you think.
Brazil having high crime rates is not a generalization, it is a fact, look it up. I was just saying to him, don't berate another country when each country has its own problems.
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You guys do realize that such stuff only happens in slums right? Right...?
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I heard this on the radio on the morning commute, utterly disgusting. Hopefully the child will recover both physically and emotionally after this.
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On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S.
China is the only threat to USA world dominance. And now we can observe some actions ongoing: currencies war, trade limitations, wars for influence in Middle east and Africa. Russia is moving away from the western influence towards China, giving to it its resources and technologies.
Naturally China will be bashed in MSM and the internet. It is not a taught task since there are many bad things indeed, like this one.
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You guys are fucked up for even watching something like that tbh. Why do you want to see it, you knew what happened already. Not trying to preach here but I dont understand how that could possibly benefit you.
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On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward  Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around.
In China, it really costs a lot for kindness especially helping the injured...
Here's a joke in China, three guys tried to show their richness, one said he has several BMW cars, another said BMW cars are his servants cars, but they two all thought the third guy was the richest one cause that one said he helped the fallen old men everyday....
I think it's time to set a law in China to protect people's kindness or such incident will happen again and again
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On October 18 2011 22:09 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around. Of course it is always a bad thing to generalize and talk about countries because you can always find extremely disgusting things in all countries. If it is because of the culture that people behave the way they do in the video, that is still deplorable. A civilized human being does not under any circumstances neglect helping that child. That is just not possible. If it is because of the system, that only means that the system makes these people inhuman.
So, will you go to help a kid if this action were under the risk of a fine costs more than hundreds thousand Euro or even worse?
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On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around.
In China, it really costs a lot for kindness especially helping the injured...
Here's a joke in China, three guys tried to show their richness, one said he has several BMW cars, another said BMW cars are his servants cars, but they two all thought the third guy was the richest one cause that one said he helped the fallen old men everyday....
I think it's time to set a law in China to protect people's kindness or such incident will happen again and again
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On October 18 2011 23:04 NihiLuvHeH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:09 Elroi wrote:On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around. Of course it is always a bad thing to generalize and talk about countries because you can always find extremely disgusting things in all countries. If it is because of the culture that people behave the way they do in the video, that is still deplorable. A civilized human being does not under any circumstances neglect helping that child. That is just not possible. If it is because of the system, that only means that the system makes these people inhuman. So, will you go to help a kid if this action were under the risk of a fine costs more than hundreds thousand Euro or even worse?
Yes. Or I wouldn't be able to live with myself. So it is really no choice. I can only answer from my own position though. If I were brought up in a cold society that deprives people of their humanity (I am not saying that this is necessarily the case in China - I have no idea - but it is the explication that people give to this) I maybe would have acted differently.
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On October 18 2011 23:07 NihiLuvHeH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around. In China, it really costs a lot for kindness especially helping the injured... Here's a joke in China, three guys tried to show their richness, one said he has several BMW cars, another said BMW cars are his servants cars, but they two all thought the third guy was the richest one cause that one said he helped the fallen old men everyday.... I think it's time to set a law in China to protect people's kindness or such incident will happen again and again
lol I heard that one before
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On October 18 2011 20:32 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 20:22 EricFartman wrote:
i'm a Chinese, it's really complex to the people helpless.
about 2 years ago, a good man named PengYu in NanJing City, he help a women stand up from a traffic accident, but the women send the guy to the court, Althouth no evidence prove the truth, but PengYu was judged pay 45,876 Yuan to the women. This case known by every Chinese,and hurt a lot of good people. After this case, some people in China afraid to help whom trouble in accident,faint on street etc. When some one hlep people, they have to think about if they will drop in the trap, or judge by a stupid official That case is so tragic. Many Chinese do good deeds everyday. But if someone gets punished for doing something good even once people will remember it. Humans just remember bad things better I guess. I hope this wakes the government up, it's time to change so people can help others without being afraid of a lawsuit.
It's simply because there has no law or some rules to protect those good people...
Once you know an action that may cause you lots of money or even worse, will you still be fairless to keep doing such good things? Maybe you helped 100 people and 99 of them thank you a lot, but the last may ruin rest of your life.
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On October 18 2011 23:16 Elroi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 23:04 NihiLuvHeH wrote:On October 18 2011 22:09 Elroi wrote:On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around. Of course it is always a bad thing to generalize and talk about countries because you can always find extremely disgusting things in all countries. If it is because of the culture that people behave the way they do in the video, that is still deplorable. A civilized human being does not under any circumstances neglect helping that child. That is just not possible. If it is because of the system, that only means that the system makes these people inhuman. So, will you go to help a kid if this action were under the risk of a fine costs more than hundreds thousand Euro or even worse? Yes. Or I wouldn't be able to live with myself. So it is really no choice. I can only answer from my own position though. If I were brought up in a cold society that deprives people of their humanity (I am not saying that this is necessarily the case in China - I have no idea - but it is the explication that people give to this) I maybe would have acted differently.
isn't that money better used to make your family happy though? i wouldn't sacrifice their happiness for a stranger
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On October 18 2011 23:04 NihiLuvHeH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 22:09 Elroi wrote:On October 18 2011 21:55 Cambium wrote:I'm glad that she's okay and the person who helped got a good reward Now, onto my rant. Reading this thread made me so angry at work, so here's a breakdown why: 1. The government/legal system fucking sucks. It's not the citizens' fault for not helping (assuming we aren't talking about the bystander effect here), because they have been repeatedly suggested not to offer help. Every time I take a vacation to China, the first thing my immediate family members tell me is not to help random people on the street, because it could be a scam or I could get shafted. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. Repeatedly. It's hard to take action when everyone around you tells you otherwise. 2. Get off your high horses. Unless you've lived in China, don't take the simplistic and altruistic view. Life in China is drastically different from a developed country. Things aren't as black and white; in fact, things aren't black and white anywhere in the world. So before bashing the people for not helping and generalize your idiotic view upon the entire Chinese population, think about this: An average Chinese person works hard all his life to get to where he is, by hard, I mean HARD. a. Those with a good education work their asses off in high school to get into a good school, then continue to work their asses off to get a decent job hoping that possibly, twenty years down the line, they can possibly own their first home. Or, b. Someone without an education, working under harsh conditions for a meagerly wage just so that they could put food on the table and roof over their head, and focus their entire life on their Children so that they could be category a. The difficulty of life is not something that can be fathomed by someone from a developed country, where you can go to movies, drink coffees, drive a car and buy a home without ever having to work hard for it. Alluding to Mad Men, think about this: drinking iced water is STILL a fucking luxury in most parts of the world. Now, regardless which group the Chinese person belongs, do you really expect him to risk everything he's ever worked for just to save a random stranger's life? It's not just about money we are talking about here, it's the futures of THREE generations: His own future, his child's futures, his parents' expectations and futures. And to those of you who say any life >> money, take a flight outside of your home country where your government presumably takes good care of the poor. Spend your money, take a flight to any third world country, and hand out your savings to any number of needy children. I guarantee you that there are enough needy children to go around. Of course it is always a bad thing to generalize and talk about countries because you can always find extremely disgusting things in all countries. If it is because of the culture that people behave the way they do in the video, that is still deplorable. A civilized human being does not under any circumstances neglect helping that child. That is just not possible. If it is because of the system, that only means that the system makes these people inhuman. So, will you go to help a kid if this action were under the risk of a fine costs more than hundreds thousand Euro or even worse?
Most people that passed by didn't even give a fucking second thought to help out the little girl.. that's inhuman to a degree that I can't fathom and a complete different situation to what you are describing..
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Think I'll avoid watching the video. I could post exactly what I think about this, but I'm quite sure someone else has stated the obvious in 35 pages so...
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