EPTPrejudice Against Drug Use? - Page 6
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
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Freyr
United States500 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:22 UmiNotsuki wrote: From the NIDA directly. I don't think it's arguable that there are negative affects of marijuana use. Even assuming NIDA is a reliable source (does it even cite primary literature - if so, did you read it?), it apparently states that these are short term issues, all of which can be caused by ingestion of perfectly legal substances. I think to make a case against marijuana it might be helpful to have more than this. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:18 endy wrote: meh I smoke a lot of weed, but when I see all these people taking valiums or xanax for no reason whatsoever... These same people will shit on pot smokers.... What about alcohol, OP mentions legality and alcohol is legal yet drunkards deserve way more prejudice than pot smokers. I'd say the only thing that matters is how you're able to manage your own life and deal with people around you. I don't even mind someone using heavy drugs as long as he can have a normal life. Of course it's gonna be difficult for crackheads. What I mean is some women will be terrible mothers and not even realize it because they'll be constantly under xanax, while some people can take other drugs and have a perfectly good life. My roommates are shitfaced like 3 days out of the week, yet they "don't get" how someone could smoke pot regularly. You can't make this stuff up. | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
this is the biggest issue. illegal = bad = negative. | ||
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Deleted User 124618
1142 Posts
If I hear you mention drugs I may forgive you if you don't push the issue further, but if you keep at it or you actually whip some out, I will call the cops on the spot. Oh well, maybe I will leave the room/house first. Is that prejudice? No, it's me being smart. If you want to ruin your brain and health, go ahead. But don't drag me into your insanity. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:23 darklight54321 wrote: Personally, i dont feel like pot or alcohol should be considered in polls like this, since they are so very very minor. How is alcohol a minor drug? Physically addictive? Check. Impairs you beyond your ability to do simple tasks? Check. Incites violence? Check. Alcohol withdrawal is one of two common withdrawals capable of killing you (benzos are the other, operate off the same receptor). Not to mention it's abuse is far more widespread than any other drug and this cannot be blamed solely on its legality. | ||
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Apples8u
Canada46 Posts
^ This. You choose to do drugs, you can choose not to, many times, making a judgement on character can occur for some. I personally don't have a predetermined judgement on people if I hear they do drugs, but I will consider them lacking some intelligence in keeping themselves healthy, because most drugs do have a negative effect, assuming we mean narcotics here. But, there are exceptions to everything (: EDIT; Read a few posts, I also have the same opinion towards people who drink heavily and smoke ("but I will consider them lacking some intelligence in keeping themselves healthy") | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:25 ShamTao wrote: Who was arguing against this? Smoking ANYTHING isn't going to be good. At the same time, I don't know if I would prejudice somebody just for indulging in anything that harms their own health, as it is not my responsibility. I'd have a bigger problem with somebody who hurts OTHER people with their behavior. On October 17 2011 12:26 Freyr wrote: Even assuming NIDA is a reliable source (does it even cite primary literature - if so, did you read it?), it apparently states that these are short term issues, all of which can be caused by ingestion of perfectly legal substances. I think to make a case against marijuana it might be helpful to have more than this. This guy. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:30 Apples8u wrote: ^ This. You choose to do drugs, you can choose not to, many times, making a judgement on character can occur for some. I personally don't have a predetermined judgement on people if I hear they do drugs, but I will consider them lacking some intelligence in keeping themselves healthy, because most drugs do have a negative effect, assuming we mean narcotics here. I hope you don't eat any fast food or McDonald's cheeseburgers... or I may have a presumption about your intelligence as well. | ||
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AimlessAmoeba
Canada704 Posts
On October 17 2011 11:36 BlackJack wrote: It's not about whether he can change, it's about whether he chose to become it. A child murderer can't change from being a child murderer but he definitely chose to murder a child. And, as per usual, discussion about general drug use makes the standard transition to the slaying of children. | ||
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T3tra
United States406 Posts
The only thing I dislike about hanging around with people who smoke or do whatever is the select few who insist over and over that I have some too. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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naggerNZ
New Zealand708 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:27 yandere991 wrote: From a employer perspective do you guys think that it is justified if they refuse to hire you because you engaged in drug or alcohol abuse (not the occasional drink or joint) and if not would that be prejudice? First off, who admits to drug use in a job interview? People normally omit anything that might make them look bad to an employer, even legal things. Second, if your habits were interfering with your ability to do your job, an employer is completely justified in firing your lazy ass. I do, however, completely disagree with compulsory drug testing, and firing someone because they use drugs recreationally. What you do outside work hours should be irrelevant to holding said job (with a few exceptions, of course, such as some public sector work or law enforcement) | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:14 VPCursed wrote: hm, what? This is a pretty big claim. If we're talking about some standard recreational drugs such as alcohol and marijuana, Id like to see some sources Marijuana Manzar Ashtari, Kelly Cervellione, John Cottone, Babak A. Ardekani, Sanjiv Kumra. Diffusion abnormalities in adolescents and young adults with a history of heavy cannabis use. Journal of Psychiatric Research, 2009; 43 (3): 189-204 DOI: 10.1016/j.jpsychires.2008.12.002 Source Alcohol (If you were just arguing on autopilot and not thinking about it I shouldn't have to source alcohol causing brain damage. But just in case you're actually a crazy person.. here's a wikipedia link you can start from.) Wikipedia I don't want to pick on anyone personally in this thread but there are ridiculous things being said. There aren't any safe drugs. All of the listed recreational drugs are damaging, both to the brain and rest of the body. The argument is about whether you would associate yourself with drug users or not. And from what I've seen: Everyone just picks the side they're on. Drug users say it's fine, Non drug users say it isn't. Captivating. | ||
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BottleAbuser
Korea (South)1888 Posts
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:29 Greentellon wrote: I know a person who is heavily alcoholic. Alcohol has been compared several times to the mildest of drugs and I have seen from front row how acholos has ruined his brain and life. Perhaps it's not all alcohols fault, but every time I see him wasted, stumbling around there unable to make a coherent thought, I pity him. I can't feel anything but pity towards him. If I hear you mention drugs I may forgive you if you don't push the issue further, but if you keep at it or you actually whip some out, I will call the cops on the spot. Oh well, maybe I will leave the room/house first. Is that prejudice? No, it's me being smart. If you want to ruin your brain and health, go ahead. But don't drag me into your insanity. Dude, it's you being smart? HAHAHAHA. No. It's you having an irrational (and impulsive) reaction based on complete ignorance. That's quite humorous though I mean just to think you'd call the cops on somebody and negatively affect their life for a personal choice they made that does not directly nor indirectly affect yours just seems a little crazy | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
No, it is not prejudice: Prejudices such as racism and sexism are based on fallacies, such as the assumption that black people or Asians or women or even majorities are in some way inferior to other demographics because of one or more innate flaws within them. This doesn't apply to drug users because drug use is a quantifiable phenomenon that causes a noticeable decrease of perception, critical thought, and the like, making discrimination against drug users justified. This is not accurate. Sure there are fallacies, but there are plenty of drug users that contribute plenty to society. Any kind of generalization will have that kind of fallacy. But that's not why it's not prejudice. The reason it's not prejudice is because you're at least judging somebody on what they do, rather than what they are. That's why it's PREjudice. I mean come on, when ARE we allowed to judge people? Can I judge you when you wear clothes than make you look like a hoodlum that you picked out? Can I judge you when you smoke, collect knives, and have thirty piercings? It's okay to judge people based on choices they make. Being black, gay, or a woman isn't a choice. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:34 Romance_us wrote: Dude, it's you being smart? HAHAHAHA. No. It's you having an irrational (and impulsive) reaction based on complete ignorance. That's quite humorous though I mean just to think you'd call the cops on somebody and negatively affect their life for a personal choice they made that does not directly nor indirectly affect yours just seems a little crazy In America, illegal drugs are illegal. It's insane, I know. But if you flaunt your drug use, you're probably going to jail, one way or another. Sorry that you don't like that. But that's the way it works. Something about crimes being prosecutable in the court of law. | ||
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Romance_us
Seychelles1806 Posts
On October 17 2011 12:39 Chargelot wrote: In America, illegal drugs are illegal. It's insane, I know. But if you flaunt your drug use, you're probably going to jail, one way or another. Sorry that you don't like that. But that's the way it works. Something about crimes being prosecutable in the court of law. who said anything about morals being related to laws? please go away | ||
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