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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 14:32:31
August 20 2013 14:32 GMT
#5121
So the app recognizes someone nearby who uses Tinder as well? That's quite the ingenious idea. I could definitely see this work. It's basically a way of making public: "I'm available, let's chat!"
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
August 20 2013 14:36 GMT
#5122
On August 20 2013 23:25 Zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:00 TheFish7 wrote:
On August 20 2013 10:10 goMERICA wrote:
TL;DR
Check out Tinder, the new online dating app, for it is the most popular thing out right now and the online dating medium most likely to lead to you actually meeting someone. I and many people I know have had good success with it.


These types of apps do seem like the future of not only dating but social interaction in a lot of ways. Not sure if this is a good thing or not! I would venture a guess that Tinder is not going to be the last iteration of this kind of app. But shit, it got released for android last month so I'm going to have to try it out. I was pissed when I bought my S4 and there was no android version out yet. I know one chick (attractive) who met her current bf through the app so I'd say it has possibilities.

You sound like like one of those paid forum posters
Apps? I don't know, I've always had a better time when I go out or whatever without the intention of hooking up, with dating sites you know both sides want to date so its different, its just wierd for me... idk


Yea I can relate, I am the type who would rather speak over the phone than text back and forth. I haven't tried it yet, so we'll see how it goes. I can assure you no one is paying me! (Although I am at work right now so I guess you could say I'm getting paid to waste company time on TL )
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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
August 20 2013 14:37 GMT
#5123
The last 5 pages of this thread have been an absolute delight to read. I still wonder what kind of girls some of guys you meet.
In my experience, even 20-21 yo girls tend to be quite immature, like most guys of this age anyway. Funnily enough, a friend of mine who is 22 just broke up with his 17 yo girlfriend after a few months, unsurprisingly. He wasn't the most mature guy either, but at some point their life and expectation were just miles apart, what can you do.
As for online dating site, I expect them to take more and more place over time, wether I like it or not (I don't really). After all, aren't they replacing a lot of more traditionnal ways to meet your partner ?
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 14:55:05
August 20 2013 14:49 GMT
#5124
Tinder didn't find a single person within a 100 mile radius of me, I guess it just hasn't caught on in Florida at all yet? Either that or I'm doing something wrong.

I was using my fake facebook so I guess if mutual friends is a prerequisite that could be the reason. Edit: Yea, signed in with my real one and found a bunch of matches. Now if I want to use it I'll have to find pictures of myself I want on there, which is hard because I have zero.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32157 Posts
August 20 2013 14:52 GMT
#5125
almost all of my friends who have been single at some point in the last 3 years or so use or have used online dating. i know a couple people who are still dating people they met off of there to. all but like one or two of those people were normal guys and gals, not the trope of weirdos who never can meet people without online dating. for almost everyone, it was just a nice supplement to meeting more people than you would going to bars and what not. again, i think mileage varies on that considerably. if you are near a metro area, you will find plenty of awesome, hot, interesting and normal people. if youre more in the sticks or the burbs a while away from anywhere, it might be a bit different.

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NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 20 2013 15:00 GMT
#5126
My wife keeps fucking with my online dating profiles and hooking me up with bitches she knows I won't like. Women, always playing those damn games.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
August 20 2013 15:00 GMT
#5127
On August 21 2013 00:00 NotSorry wrote:
My wife keeps fucking with my online dating profiles and hooking me up with bitches she knows I won't like. Women, always playing those damn games.


Wait what?
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 20 2013 15:08 GMT
#5128
On August 21 2013 00:00 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:00 NotSorry wrote:
My wife keeps fucking with my online dating profiles and hooking me up with bitches she knows I won't like. Women, always playing those damn games.


Wait what?

What your wife doesn't fuck with your game?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 15:24:38
August 20 2013 15:24 GMT
#5129
Ughh. I hate asking people out by text, especially if it's someone you have known for quite some time now (2+ years) But I don't think I will get any opportunity to meet her any time soon. Thursday she mighttt be going out. But I'm not sure. Wait until thursday and if she won't go out just ask her by text?
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
August 20 2013 15:27 GMT
#5130
On August 21 2013 00:08 NotSorry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:00 Najda wrote:
On August 21 2013 00:00 NotSorry wrote:
My wife keeps fucking with my online dating profiles and hooking me up with bitches she knows I won't like. Women, always playing those damn games.


Wait what?

What your wife doesn't fuck with your game?

wow we've been over your open relationship with your wife like 3 times in this thread already, (its you right?) lets not start again
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
August 20 2013 15:32 GMT
#5131
^ You have her number? Call her?

This thread turned into the QuanticAuthority vs Cloudscreen shitstorm pretty fast. Get popcorn or pick a side or a pitchfork. Who needs funny dating stories or people asking advice when you can watch nerds throw shit at each other.

My biggest problem right now is, that i managed to lock myself out of my appartment but don't want to ask my new girlfriend whether i can stay at her place for the night, because that might be understood as a move. I can still ask mom!
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
August 20 2013 15:39 GMT
#5132
On August 21 2013 00:24 Recognizable wrote:
Ughh. I hate asking people out by text, especially if it's someone you have known for quite some time now (2+ years) But I don't think I will get any opportunity to meet her any time soon. Thursday she mighttt be going out. But I'm not sure. Wait until thursday and if she won't go out just ask her by text?


Just casually start a convo with her on whatsapp (really, who texts nowadays, furthermore it has become the most used communication program in the Netherlands for a while now).
I don't know the setting in which you last saw her, but just talk a bit about the last time you saw her and that you should go out sometime soon.
If you're lucky she will respond by saying that she's going or that she might be going on thursday and that you should come with (It really depends on the situation though).

The worst thing you can do is nothing, since you will be stuck liking her, not knowing what she thinks about you. Which makes it very hard, if not impossible to get over her, or to get with her
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 15:46:26
August 20 2013 15:39 GMT
#5133
On August 21 2013 00:32 Broetchenholer wrote:
^ You have her number? Call her?


I'm texting with her right now. It'd pretty weird if I called her in the middle of that and asked her out. Pretty badass as well tho. Maybe I should do that haha.

This thread turned into the QuanticAuthority vs Cloudscreen shitstorm pretty fast. Get popcorn or pick a side or a pitchfork. Who needs funny dating stories or people asking advice when you can watch nerds throw shit at each other.

My biggest problem right now is, that i managed to lock myself out of my appartment but don't want to ask my new girlfriend whether i can stay at her place for the night, because that might be understood as a move. I can still ask mom!


Explain it to her, she'll understand. The worst that can happen is that you sleep on the couch right

On August 21 2013 00:39 WonnaPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:24 Recognizable wrote:
Ughh. I hate asking people out by text, especially if it's someone you have known for quite some time now (2+ years) But I don't think I will get any opportunity to meet her any time soon. Thursday she mighttt be going out. But I'm not sure. Wait until thursday and if she won't go out just ask her by text?


Just casually start a convo with her on whatsapp (really, who texts nowadays, furthermore it has become the most used communication program in the Netherlands for a while now).
I don't know the setting in which you last saw her, but just talk a bit about the last time you saw her and that you should go out sometime soon.
If you're lucky she will respond by saying that she's going or that she might be going on thursday and that you should come with (It really depends on the situation though).

The worst thing you can do is nothing, since you will be stuck liking her, not knowing what she thinks about you. Which makes it very hard, if not impossible to get over her, or to get with her



Yeah, I'm whatsapping. Just calling it texting so other people who don't know what whatsapp is understand. Anyway, when asking her out. I really want it to be quite clear what my intentions are(a date). If she's going out with her friends on thursday as well already that won't obviously be very clear.
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
August 20 2013 15:49 GMT
#5134
On August 21 2013 00:39 Recognizable wrote:

Yeah, I'm whatsapping. Just calling it texting so other people who don't know what whatsapp is understand. Anyway, when asking her out. I really want it to be quite clear what my intentions are(a date). If she's going out with her friends on thursday as well already that won't obviously be very clear.


Hehe, fair enough..
Just make sure you know where she is going and let her know that you might be coming aswell with some friends (take some friends with you).
This way you don't come off as 'desperate' and can give her the 'hot and cold shoulder'.
Since you're already texting, it won't be weird. Once at the club (or bar) you can snatch her away from her friends for a while for a drink and some dancing. You have to fill in the rest for yourself
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 20 2013 15:51 GMT
#5135
On August 21 2013 00:24 Recognizable wrote:
Ughh. I hate asking people out by text, especially if it's someone you have known for quite some time now (2+ years) But I don't think I will get any opportunity to meet her any time soon. Thursday she mighttt be going out. But I'm not sure. Wait until thursday and if she won't go out just ask her by text?

I personally prefer the I'm going somewhere, you should come, style rather than the "hey you wanna go somewhere with me?"
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 15:55:40
August 20 2013 15:55 GMT
#5136
Yeah, I prefer that as well. However, when asking someone out to a movie or dinner it's odd to do that. Hey i'm going to the movies, alone, which nobody every does, you should come! Might as well be straight up.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1967 Posts
August 20 2013 15:58 GMT
#5137
On August 21 2013 00:39 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2013 00:32 Broetchenholer wrote:
This thread turned into the QuanticAuthority vs Cloudscreen shitstorm pretty fast. Get popcorn or pick a side or a pitchfork. Who needs funny dating stories or people asking advice when you can watch nerds throw shit at each other.

My biggest problem right now is, that i managed to lock myself out of my appartment but don't want to ask my new girlfriend whether i can stay at her place for the night, because that might be understood as a move. I can still ask mom!


Explain it to her, she'll understand. The worst that can happen is that you sleep on the couch right


No, the worst that can happen is that we don't get any sleep and she dies in a carcrash because she has to drive for 15 hours tomorrow. Moms couch is good :D

Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 16:00:49
August 20 2013 16:00 GMT
#5138
That'd be pretty bad yes.
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
August 20 2013 16:02 GMT
#5139
On August 20 2013 23:29 Xyik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 19:09 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
On August 20 2013 15:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 20 2013 15:18 Bigtony wrote:
On August 20 2013 15:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On August 19 2013 01:26 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote:
I think i'm kind of in the same situation as the guy a 1-2 pages ago with open relationship ( well, not yet ). I had quite some doubts about posting or not but hey, let's try this. Dunno if i'm looking for advices or if it's just for the sake of speaking about it to random people that i'll most likely never meet :p
I've always been a faithfull reader of this thread, i think it's really interesting to see testimonies of all kinds of relationships, good or bad.
I will fill in details because i did like myself to read some detailed stories here, so i'm gonna put it all in a spoiler:


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm in a semester of study in China; and going for my last year this september after what i plan to work in Canada.
I met a lovely chinese women here 2 years older than me (i'm 23). She studied in UK for 2 years and is quite "westernized", not the type of introverted shy chinese girl we might picture in our mind.
She's stunningly beautiful, interesting and everything one might wish for. I wasn't chasing girls at that time because I'm more towards long lasting relationships and i didn't want a short relation during exchange, but he we happened to speak a lot that night beside the pool table when it was out turn to wait. I think it helped that i was the only guy around that table who was not dead drunk with a beggar style or with jerk manners, so everytime she end up loosing a game she comes to sit beside me and chat. I keep her company untill 6am when metro opens again, I find myself surprisingly comfortable to chat with her; and we exchange phone numbers and instant messaging IDs.

The following day i receive a gentle morning text and we chat during hours on the chinese MSN. Seems like we share a lot of similar opinions and values. When i go to another bar with friends 2 days later i ask if she wants to come and we spend another good moment together. She likes games and pools, never gets drunk (i don't like drunk people much ).
From here on i see a morning text everyday when i wake up, go on a week trip with my roomates, and still naturally chat with her daily.

Even though it sounds all great i'd never think i would like a girl like her, really beautiful & sexy & stylish & rich parents (very Oo), which would have make me think she's really shallow, and indeed it turns out she is half shallow. But to compensate she's really kind, honest, like games (pool, phone games, card games / mahjong .. ), doesn't drink much.
Back from the trip we date a few times, coffees, restaurants, bars , cinemas. And we end up having sex one night.

Starting from here keep in mind that she mention more or less seriously an intention to break up about every 2 weeks ( worrying about future because she prefers long lasting relationships too or less understandable reasons ). I convince her not to, but not in the desperate way, at this point i want to keep things going until we both leave China.
Turns out she's going to study in Canada starting from september ( and i go back to France at the same time ), and she wants to settle and live there after getting the citizenship. For me this opens new prospects since it means we can meet again in 6 month or 1 year, so it's difficult but not impossible to think about a long term relationship if the long distance holds.

We keep dating in all kinf of places, i take care of restaurants, she takes care of movies (is about the same price un china ) and spend nights at my place until we get on a second trip. By then it's been a bit over two months and the morning texts have stopped for a while from her. The more i know her and the more i discover how shallow she is and it bugs me even though she's still great and caring.
She starts to mention that she's not sexually satisfied because she craves for a huge dick ( 18-20 cm minimum pretty common uh?) and i find it quite weird because the G spot is like 5-6 cm. And she starts having a really contradictory behaviour, sometimes saying she doesn't like to have sex but always teasing for it. Finally she starts speaking about wanting to have sex with other guys but that she loves me and wants to spend her life together.

She starts sounding really bitchy but at least she's always honest. For now i don't really know what to think of it, we can't even know if the long distance will work. So i'm just staying in at least untill we both leave China, because we still have good times together and sex is fine but not great ( i wouldn't have thought for such a stunning woman ).
She's always been in close relationship and didn't think about doing open until recently.
I think i might have been in love with the girl she pretended to be during the first weeks but she's starting to either reveal her true self or change for the worst. She seemed really openminded at start but i found out she has many taboos and questions she avoids answering and even might be xenophobic (towards black people) and race elitist ( strongly believe chinese people are better than everyone because their blood is pure wtf ). But for me it's not too bothersome because many chinese share such thoughts, a little of cultural clash to overcome mmh

So i guess i'll just see what happens but i think for a serious lasting relationship the monogamy is the most stable formula, especially for kids sake. So i guess i'll maybe pass on this woman if she really means her intentions to seek fun with other men while being in a stable relationship. She's changing her mind way too often about important points like this one, doesn't seem very balanced.
Notice it's just a concept for now and she didn't do anything yet. And i don't feel like she would really do it, she got quite affected from the break up with her ex and i sense she still has some trauma about it ( and some bad dreams ), she kind of built a shell and is somewhat afraid to get seriously invested in a serious relationship again.

I don't know if i expressed all this clearly, wouldn't want to make her seem like a despicable person, she's really nice to hang out with and chat with and we'll probably stay in very good terms if it doesn't end up working. I feel like i make it sound worst than it really is when i reread myself, we talk with her about every point i mentioned though and that's good.
Now i'm looking at all this with some kind of perspective, it strangely doesn't affect me that much. We leave China in 2-3 weeks so i'm just like "wait and see".


You're too worried about what she wants, you aren't actually challenging her
Start talking like you could break it off/find someone else etc
You don't have to be serious, but she has to think you are



Walk away from this woman. She is already treating you bad:
Making fun of your dick (?)
Saying she wants to break up
Has some pretty serious xenophobia issues

You think this 'relationship' can survive 6months/year long distance? I don't think so. Walk away before either of your get hurt more.


Agreed. It doesn't seem like she's taking your relationship that seriously, and she's certainly not treating you well.

I definitely disagree with CC's advice to threaten ending the relationship or to deceive her into thinking you care about her if you don't. You don't need a relationship built off that crap.


Yeah you are probably both right, but i am still attached to the girl she was at the beginning... i would never have taken the slightest of the shit she served me if she was like this from the start.
I won't challenge her to break up or make any threats, i don't like using tricks like this it never leads anywhere.

Thing is she has always been in quite "stable" relationships before and never acted like this. She has a tendency to say things she won't do, like always speaking her mind out whatever the thought is, good or bad. And at least i prefer someone like this rather than someone who would think it and keep it for herself. Because in this case each worry and problem can be subject to discussion.

I told her we could stay together untill she figures out what she really wants. If she happens to really mean having sex with other guys it would be over. If not well fine, sex isn't great for both of us but that can always get better with time.
Seeing how it's going the worst case would be a clean break up and we'd both have won a good friend.

There are always moments in a couple when one or both parts are throwing a bit of shit at each other. It's better to try fixing this rather than just saying "ok, next".


How would she feel if you vocalized that you'd like to sleep with other women or if you complained about the lack of sex, etc? Things should go two ways, and you should make her realize that. It's normal to crave other partners from time to time, especially if you are both young and the fact that she vocalizes it is good, at least she isn't cheating behind your back. I think its a good idea not to jump the gun here and to really evaluate how serious she is about this. Talking it out is always good. In some ways, this could even be her 'testing' you to see how attached you are to her. Don't take it lying down, but don't just give up either.


Yeah yeah she mentioned the idea of having sex with other partners and that i could do that too. But personnally i'm not interested in this, i've never been chasing after girls and always end up naturally meeting people in places i usually spend time at. When i go in a bar it's just to play pool or foozball...
Anyway 9 days left here and then the long distance test will start; attractive as she is (it's crazy the amount of guys that try to hit on her or show interest, must be tiresome sometimes to get so much attention ) i'll know within one month if she really meant it or not i guess :p
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 20 2013 16:03 GMT
#5140
On August 21 2013 00:55 Recognizable wrote:
Yeah, I prefer that as well. However, when asking someone out to a movie or dinner it's odd to do that. Hey i'm going to the movies, alone, which nobody every does, you should come! Might as well be straight up.

Dinner and/or Movie are terrible first dates tho, hell I wouldn't do either til like 3rd-4th and I've hit it a few times. They can both be so awkward til you two are really comfortable with each other to keep a conversation going during long dinner waits or 2 hours of near silence at a theater.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
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