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Oooooor, you could just accept that she hates beer and you like beer. Just an example, i know, but i always felt like the less bullshit and mindtricks you pull, the better. You are an awesome individual, she is as well, work with that.
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On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want.
Yes, I am familiar with the theory. I don't think saying she doesn't like beer is any kind of test though. Flirting with other men in front of you is a test, and requires a response, but this is not what I am talking about.
I think armor is apt because it's about not letting her influence your emotional state in a negative way. She doesn't get to influence your emotional state because your life should be good enough for you to be happy and secure regardless of what one particular girl thinks or does.
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On August 13 2013 07:09 Bleak wrote:
A girl from college that I haven't seen for a long time called me and asked whether I wanted to go to a concert with her. I liked the band and wasn't in any relationships at that time, and I said yes. We went out, had dinner, and the concert was pretty good, I had good time. As we departed for the night, she said she'd like to spend more time together later on and she'll wait up for my call.
Now I am kind of eager to make that call because 1) I know her already so it's easier to form a connection 2) She's quite alright in terms of looks and she falls into my type and 3) I feel like I really need a relationship.
However, I really don't know what would be the best meet up location for a second date. A dinner and movie? Dinner and taking a walk, having a chat? A museum trip? I sort of feel like after our first "date" so to speak, the concert kind of set the bar high and I need to do something as great in terms of importance.
Is this just stupid line of thinking? I feel like she already likes me because if she didn't she wouldn't have called me up after a long time and if she had a bf she would go to the concert with him already. So to me it feels like all the signs are there. Now, how should I act?
Okay, so we went on a second date with this girl. It went pretty good, we first went to a museum trip, then had dinner, and also went to a movie afterwards.
However, I really, really wanted to hold her hand but I didn't know the best way/time to do it. I have always been a somewhat shy person and have troubles taking the initiative. I didn't want to seem like I'm going too forward and too upfront about it, was this a mistake? I really, really wanted to do it though. Any chance this might turn her off from the third one? The whole thing went pretty good, I had really good time and I presume she had a good time aswell, she seemed happy enough throughout the day.
Anyway, I gotta do this on our next date. Any tips ? :D Would also like some female input on the matter.
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On August 20 2013 00:27 Bleak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2013 07:09 Bleak wrote:
A girl from college that I haven't seen for a long time called me and asked whether I wanted to go to a concert with her. I liked the band and wasn't in any relationships at that time, and I said yes. We went out, had dinner, and the concert was pretty good, I had good time. As we departed for the night, she said she'd like to spend more time together later on and she'll wait up for my call.
Now I am kind of eager to make that call because 1) I know her already so it's easier to form a connection 2) She's quite alright in terms of looks and she falls into my type and 3) I feel like I really need a relationship.
However, I really don't know what would be the best meet up location for a second date. A dinner and movie? Dinner and taking a walk, having a chat? A museum trip? I sort of feel like after our first "date" so to speak, the concert kind of set the bar high and I need to do something as great in terms of importance.
Is this just stupid line of thinking? I feel like she already likes me because if she didn't she wouldn't have called me up after a long time and if she had a bf she would go to the concert with him already. So to me it feels like all the signs are there. Now, how should I act? Okay, so we went on a second date with this girl. It went pretty good, we first went to a museum trip, then had dinner, and also went to a movie afterwards. However, I really, really wanted to hold her hand but I didn't know the best way/time to do it. I have always been a somewhat shy person and have troubles taking the initiative. I didn't want to seem like I'm going too forward and too upfront about it, was this a mistake? I really, really wanted to do it though. Any chance this might turn her off from the third one? The whole thing went pretty good, I had really good time and I presume she had a good time aswell, she seemed happy enough throughout the day. Anyway, I gotta do this on our next date. Any tips ? :D Would also like some female input on the matter.
If you want something, go for it. If you want to do something, do it. There's no sense in being shy about it, that doesn't help anything.
Side note: Rape is not ok.
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On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want.
you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date
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On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date
Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like.
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Nothing wrong with saying those things. I may even steal it! Wine flavored beer haha!
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Yeah I could see the wine-tasting beer joke being pretty good. Depends on delivery, as always.
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I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to.
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On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to.
I couldn't quite follow what your saying but it sounds kinda like a thank you to people that categorize homeless women as those who would shit test you and those who wouldn't then gives you the results?
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On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like.
Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool.
On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to.
All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late.
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On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late.
That sounds like an awful way to get to know somebody and thankfully I have the dignity to not put up with that. There are other types of girls besides the ones you meet in bars and clubs that will not try to piss you off for fun (as if that's some revelation to any normal human being)
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On August 20 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. That sounds like an awful way to get to know somebody and thankfully I have the dignity to not put up with that. There are other types of girls besides the ones you meet in bars and clubs that will not try to piss you off for fun (as if that's some revelation to any normal human being)
Yeah the ugly ones
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On August 20 2013 06:41 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. That sounds like an awful way to get to know somebody and thankfully I have the dignity to not put up with that. There are other types of girls besides the ones you meet in bars and clubs that will not try to piss you off for fun (as if that's some revelation to any normal human being) Yeah the ugly ones
from Italy
oh the irony LOL
as I said in my first statement, thank you to all the PUA wanna bes that sift through the trash so I don't have to.
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On August 20 2013 06:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:41 aTnClouD wrote:On August 20 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. That sounds like an awful way to get to know somebody and thankfully I have the dignity to not put up with that. There are other types of girls besides the ones you meet in bars and clubs that will not try to piss you off for fun (as if that's some revelation to any normal human being) Yeah the ugly ones from Italy oh the irony LOL as I said in my first statement, thank you to all the PUA wanna bes that sift through the trash so I don't have to.
but i still don't understand like... do you read the report summaries by the PUA academy outlining which women shit test?
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On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late.
When people say things like: "All women do X." It makes me laugh. Because if you're making such a broad generalization, you're likely wrong.
When you say "All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with." you're clearly wrong. An obvious example is this: Girls I've never met don't test me to see how much shit I'll put up with.
You might say, clearly I didn't mean that, but it is what you said. So what did you mean? "All girls will test someone to see how much shit they'll put up with."? or "All girls that you date will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with."? Both of these have obvious counter examples too. The only thing that I couldn't prove wrong is: "All girls that I have dated tried to test me to see how much shit I'd put up with."
Basically, if you make generalizations about 3.5 billion people, you're almost guaranteed to be wrong. And if you make statements like "Most people do X" without peer reviewed statistical research to back it up, you have no way of showing that you're right.
I much rather prefer to hear about your experiences with specific people than your inaccurate generalizations of the entire planet. That's what this thread is for.
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On August 20 2013 07:37 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. When people say things like: "All women do X." It makes me laugh. Because if you're making such a broad generalization, you're likely wrong. When you say "All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with." you're clearly wrong. An obvious example is this: Girls I've never met don't test me to see how much shit I'll put up with. You might say, clearly I didn't mean that, but it is what you said. So what did you mean? "All girls will test someone to see how much shit they'll put up with."? or "All girls that you date will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with."? Both of these have obvious counter examples too. The only thing that I couldn't prove wrong is: "All girls that I have dated tried to test me to see how much shit I'd put up with." Basically, if you make generalizations about 3.5 billion people, you're almost guaranteed to be wrong. And if you make statements like "Most people do X" without peer reviewed statistical research to back it up, you have no way of showing that you're right. I much rather prefer to hear about your experiences with specific people than your inaccurate generalizations of the entire planet. That's what this thread is for.
If you want peer reviewed journals, you're best staying far away from dating. Here's a very accurate generalization that elaborates on my point: girls will judge your responses in various situations and will conduct themselves according to what they've experienced thus far. Are they necessarily tests? No, but they will observe your reactions and you will likely do the same.
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On August 20 2013 07:33 chadissilent wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. That sounds like an awful way to get to know somebody and thankfully I have the dignity to not put up with that. There are other types of girls besides the ones you meet in bars and clubs that will not try to piss you off for fun (as if that's some revelation to any normal human being) You seem totally oblivious to the world around you. Are you still in high school? You don't have to put up with it for them to try it. Past gfs want to see how much drama is deal with, when they realized I'd put up with none of it, there was no more drama in the relationship. These low class girls you seem to be inferring, does that include a girl that's a 4.0 engineering grad that got a good job with a major oil company directly out of school that's also a dance instructor for fun on the side? Because she tested my limits, as I tested hers, near the beginning of our 3 year relationship. We had exactly 2 fights during that entire time.
Well here's your problem: You are projecting your life onto other people like you think anyone gives a shit. Im out of school completely and the fact that you think I am in high school when I don't have time for a personality trait I don't like just shows what a snide and clueless asshole you are.
As an aside, a girl that works for a major oil company doesn't exactly impress me. Zero moral values isn't what I look for in women, which goes perfectly well with your PUA persona so I'm sure you guys had fun shitting on eachother's faces or whatever it was.
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On August 20 2013 07:37 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2013 06:27 chadissilent wrote:On August 20 2013 01:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 20 2013 01:25 QuanticHawk wrote:On August 19 2013 20:06 Meborg wrote:
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.
For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.
Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want. you are just gonna come off as weird and probably a pua if you try that on a date Yeah I agree. If you want to make a joke out of claiming to hate beer while drinking it, that could be okay... but acting like some elitist snob about a topic that your date doesn't even like... it's better to change the subject or ask her what drinks she does like. Yeah, making a joke like "I don't drink" with a sly smile when you're double fisting is funny. Trying to be smart when you know nothing about the topic, just to show dominance is just a characteristic of a fool. On August 20 2013 06:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't even know why you'd want to touch any girl that tries to "shit test" you or any of that other stupid shit, but I guess I have to thank the class acts that go out there and trudge through the street rat trash so I don't have to. All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with. They want to know the limits they can operate within, as well as what kind of a person you are (bitch that will do anything vs hyper dominant alpha vs anything in between). If you think they don't, you're either oblivious or naive. You should be doing the same with these women, feeling them out to find where their limits are. I'd rather know what pisses off my girlfriend when I first meet her than find out the hard way when it's too late. When people say things like: "All women do X." It makes me laugh. Because if you're making such a broad generalization, you're likely wrong. When you say "All girls will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with." you're clearly wrong. An obvious example is this: Girls I've never met don't test me to see how much shit I'll put up with. You might say, clearly I didn't mean that, but it is what you said. So what did you mean? "All girls will test someone to see how much shit they'll put up with."? or "All girls that you date will test you to see how much shit you'll put up with."? Both of these have obvious counter examples too. The only thing that I couldn't prove wrong is: "All girls that I have dated tried to test me to see how much shit I'd put up with." Basically, if you make generalizations about 3.5 billion people, you're almost guaranteed to be wrong. And if you make statements like "Most people do X" without peer reviewed statistical research to back it up, you have no way of showing that you're right. I much rather prefer to hear about your experiences with specific people than your inaccurate generalizations of the entire planet. That's what this thread is for.
Yeah and then they proceed to call you out as a clueless person oblivious to the world around you.
Makes me giggle. 
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