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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 17 2013 19:25 GMT
#5001
Scored a hat trick last night, was scared I wasn't going to be able to finish in time because the red head started getting all long time relationship bullshit on me.

Blond - picked up while jogging
Brunette - picked up while out to dinner with some friends
Red - 2nd date, but hey I was desperate to complete the hat trick
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Kerotan89
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
August 18 2013 01:39 GMT
#5002
On August 17 2013 20:17 Kerotan89 wrote:
Again I met another girl on a night out, whom the previous two work with. Got on well throughout the whole night, dancing together, lots of those looks. Made the move and she went along with it, got some privacy and yea.. Next day we talk a little, agree we went to far and wont tell anyone. Thinking she is OK with everything, I hoped to get to know her more but all of a sudden she disappears from my FB, blocked I guess.. day after unblocked I think and just unfriended..


So an update on this cause i am shit panicking over it now. She is calling rape and i have no clue what the fuck to do >.>
Apparently tho she isn't going to the police according to a friend, but if she came out with this shit is that believable?

This certainly isnt fun drama as someone put it..
Rawr
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 18 2013 10:13 GMT
#5003
IDK about UK rape laws, but afaik they aren't designed to protect men from frivolous accusations. Call a lawyer and figure out how to protect yourself. Tell him about this forum, and ask if you should delete your posts.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
August 18 2013 13:34 GMT
#5004
On August 18 2013 10:39 Kerotan89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 20:17 Kerotan89 wrote:
Again I met another girl on a night out, whom the previous two work with. Got on well throughout the whole night, dancing together, lots of those looks. Made the move and she went along with it, got some privacy and yea.. Next day we talk a little, agree we went to far and wont tell anyone. Thinking she is OK with everything, I hoped to get to know her more but all of a sudden she disappears from my FB, blocked I guess.. day after unblocked I think and just unfriended..


So an update on this cause i am shit panicking over it now. She is calling rape and i have no clue what the fuck to do >.>
Apparently tho she isn't going to the police according to a friend, but if she came out with this shit is that believable?

This certainly isnt fun drama as someone put it..

Holy crap. People can be nasty. You could also sue her for false accusations, so don't let it bring you down and do not act too passive on the matter.
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
August 18 2013 13:55 GMT
#5005
On August 18 2013 02:43 kaykaykay wrote:
Went shopping with this girl. While turning around, she brushed my dick, glanced at me for a split second, smiled and pretended nothing happen. Should I tease her about it?


i think you should definitely bring it up days or even weeks after the event occured
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Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
August 18 2013 14:15 GMT
#5006
On August 18 2013 10:39 Kerotan89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2013 20:17 Kerotan89 wrote:
Again I met another girl on a night out, whom the previous two work with. Got on well throughout the whole night, dancing together, lots of those looks. Made the move and she went along with it, got some privacy and yea.. Next day we talk a little, agree we went to far and wont tell anyone. Thinking she is OK with everything, I hoped to get to know her more but all of a sudden she disappears from my FB, blocked I guess.. day after unblocked I think and just unfriended..


So an update on this cause i am shit panicking over it now. She is calling rape and i have no clue what the fuck to do >.>
Apparently tho she isn't going to the police according to a friend, but if she came out with this shit is that believable?

This certainly isnt fun drama as someone put it..


She's not going to go through with it, you shouldn't worry. As much as rape laws favor women, there will need to be at least some sort of evidence supporting her claim. Do you have any friends that could vow for you, seeing you and her dance and getting along well during that night?
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1166 Posts
August 18 2013 14:16 GMT
#5007
On August 18 2013 19:13 Killscreen wrote:
IDK about UK rape laws, but afaik they aren't designed to protect men from frivolous accusations. Call a lawyer and figure out how to protect yourself. Tell him about this forum, and ask if you should delete your posts.


And probably the best for our fellow would be to stop quoting him for now :S

gl
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
Kerotan89
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
August 18 2013 14:37 GMT
#5008
Well luckily I finally got to the bottom of all that shit and managed to speak with her. Apparently her ex-boyfriend or something saw our messages over FB and then told her to report it to the police, even tho she said it was fully consensual.

Wow, I cant believe how much of a dick someone can be. How much just even a rumor of some shit like that can destroy someone -.-
Rawr
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
August 18 2013 14:46 GMT
#5009
Her ex? That must be a shitty situation.
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 16:59:57
August 18 2013 16:26 GMT
#5010
I think i'm kind of in the same situation as the guy a 1-2 pages ago with open relationship ( well, not yet ). I had quite some doubts about posting or not but hey, let's try this. Dunno if i'm looking for advices or if it's just for the sake of speaking about it to random people that i'll most likely never meet :p
I've always been a faithfull reader of this thread, i think it's really interesting to see testimonies of all kinds of relationships, good or bad.
I will fill in details because i did like myself to read some detailed stories here, so i'm gonna put it all in a spoiler:


+ Show Spoiler +
I'm in a semester of study in China; and going for my last year this september after what i plan to work in Canada.
I met a lovely chinese women here 2 years older than me (i'm 23). She studied in UK for 2 years and is quite "westernized", not the type of introverted shy chinese girl we might picture in our mind.
She's stunningly beautiful, interesting and everything one might wish for. I wasn't chasing girls at that time because I'm more towards long lasting relationships and i didn't want a short relation during exchange, but he we happened to speak a lot that night beside the pool table when it was out turn to wait. I think it helped that i was the only guy around that table who was not dead drunk with a beggar style or with jerk manners, so everytime she end up loosing a game she comes to sit beside me and chat. I keep her company untill 6am when metro opens again, I find myself surprisingly comfortable to chat with her; and we exchange phone numbers and instant messaging IDs.

The following day i receive a gentle morning text and we chat during hours on the chinese MSN. Seems like we share a lot of similar opinions and values. When i go to another bar with friends 2 days later i ask if she wants to come and we spend another good moment together. She likes games and pools, never gets drunk (i don't like drunk people much ).
From here on i see a morning text everyday when i wake up, go on a week trip with my roomates, and still naturally chat with her daily.

Even though it sounds all great i'd never think i would like a girl like her, really beautiful & sexy & stylish & rich parents (very Oo), which would have make me think she's really shallow, and indeed it turns out she is half shallow. But to compensate she's really kind, honest, like games (pool, phone games, card games / mahjong .. ), doesn't drink much.
Back from the trip we date a few times, coffees, restaurants, bars , cinemas. And we end up having sex one night.

Starting from here keep in mind that she mention more or less seriously an intention to break up about every 2 weeks ( worrying about future because she prefers long lasting relationships too or less understandable reasons ). I convince her not to, but not in the desperate way, at this point i want to keep things going until we both leave China.
Turns out she's going to study in Canada starting from september ( and i go back to France at the same time ), and she wants to settle and live there after getting the citizenship. For me this opens new prospects since it means we can meet again in 6 month or 1 year, so it's difficult but not impossible to think about a long term relationship if the long distance holds.

We keep dating in all kinf of places, i take care of restaurants, she takes care of movies (is about the same price un china ) and spend nights at my place until we get on a second trip. By then it's been a bit over two months and the morning texts have stopped for a while from her. The more i know her and the more i discover how shallow she is and it bugs me even though she's still great and caring.
She starts to mention that she's not sexually satisfied because she craves for a huge dick ( 18-20 cm minimum pretty common uh?) and i find it quite weird because the G spot is like 5-6 cm. And she starts having a really contradictory behaviour, sometimes saying she doesn't like to have sex but always teasing for it. Finally she starts speaking about wanting to have sex with other guys but that she loves me and wants to spend her life together.

She starts sounding really bitchy but at least she's always honest. For now i don't really know what to think of it, we can't even know if the long distance will work. So i'm just staying in at least untill we both leave China, because we still have good times together and sex is fine but not great ( i wouldn't have thought for such a stunning woman ).
She's always been in close relationship and didn't think about doing open until recently.
I think i might have been in love with the girl she pretended to be during the first weeks but she's starting to either reveal her true self or change for the worst. She seemed really openminded at start but i found out she has many taboos and questions she avoids answering and even might be xenophobic (towards black people) and race elitist ( strongly believe chinese people are better than everyone because their blood is pure wtf ). But for me it's not too bothersome because many chinese share such thoughts, a little of cultural clash to overcome mmh

So i guess i'll just see what happens but i think for a serious lasting relationship the monogamy is the most stable formula, especially for kids sake. So i guess i'll maybe pass on this woman if she really means her intentions to seek fun with other men while being in a stable relationship. She's changing her mind way too often about important points like this one, doesn't seem very balanced.
Notice it's just a concept for now and she didn't do anything yet. And i don't feel like she would really do it, she got quite affected from the break up with her ex and i sense she still has some trauma about it ( and some bad dreams ), she kind of built a shell and is somewhat afraid to get seriously invested in a serious relationship again.

I don't know if i expressed all this clearly, wouldn't want to make her seem like a despicable person, she's really nice to hang out with and chat with and we'll probably stay in very good terms if it doesn't end up working. I feel like i make it sound worst than it really is when i reread myself, we talk with her about every point i mentioned though and that's good.
Now i'm looking at all this with some kind of perspective, it strangely doesn't affect me that much. We leave China in 2-3 weeks so i'm just like "wait and see".

BadMannerSCV
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada5 Posts
August 18 2013 20:52 GMT
#5011
not good
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sunprince
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 21:18:54
August 18 2013 21:18 GMT
#5012
On August 18 2013 23:15 Henk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 10:39 Kerotan89 wrote:
On August 17 2013 20:17 Kerotan89 wrote:
Again I met another girl on a night out, whom the previous two work with. Got on well throughout the whole night, dancing together, lots of those looks. Made the move and she went along with it, got some privacy and yea.. Next day we talk a little, agree we went to far and wont tell anyone. Thinking she is OK with everything, I hoped to get to know her more but all of a sudden she disappears from my FB, blocked I guess.. day after unblocked I think and just unfriended..


So an update on this cause i am shit panicking over it now. She is calling rape and i have no clue what the fuck to do >.>
Apparently tho she isn't going to the police according to a friend, but if she came out with this shit is that believable?

This certainly isnt fun drama as someone put it..


She's not going to go through with it, you shouldn't worry. As much as rape laws favor women, there will need to be at least some sort of evidence supporting her claim. Do you have any friends that could vow for you, seeing you and her dance and getting along well during that night?


Emphasis mine.

Tell that to Brian Banks, who ended up in prison solely based on a false accusation alone.

Or the accused students in the Duke lacrosse case, who were hounded by a prosecutor hell-bent on scoring political points in a racially charged case.

Or any of the people who have been freed by the Innocence Project, most of whom were wrongly convicted of sexual assault and rape charges.


Take rape accusations seriously. Period. Any woman who accuses you of rape is doing the equivalent of pointing a loaded gun at your head. Simply because the violence is by proxy (via the state) doesn't change the fact that it's a grave and imminent threat. Lawyer up and defend yourself appropriately.
sunprince
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2258 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 21:20:58
August 18 2013 21:20 GMT
#5013
On August 18 2013 22:34 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2013 10:39 Kerotan89 wrote:
On August 17 2013 20:17 Kerotan89 wrote:
Again I met another girl on a night out, whom the previous two work with. Got on well throughout the whole night, dancing together, lots of those looks. Made the move and she went along with it, got some privacy and yea.. Next day we talk a little, agree we went to far and wont tell anyone. Thinking she is OK with everything, I hoped to get to know her more but all of a sudden she disappears from my FB, blocked I guess.. day after unblocked I think and just unfriended..


So an update on this cause i am shit panicking over it now. She is calling rape and i have no clue what the fuck to do >.>
Apparently tho she isn't going to the police according to a friend, but if she came out with this shit is that believable?

This certainly isnt fun drama as someone put it..

Holy crap. People can be nasty. You could also sue her for false accusations, so don't let it bring you down and do not act too passive on the matter.


Attempting to sue a woman for false accusations will usually end up with you being laughed out of court (if it even gets that far). The legal system doesn't work that way, not when there are powerful lobby groups who protect false accusers on the basis that punishing them might "discourage real victims from coming forward".
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
August 19 2013 05:44 GMT
#5014
Gunna update from a post i made in here awhile back. Partially looking for any advice, partially just venting kus it seems like things are over.

Anyways, the situation was that I was starting to see this girl I worked with. I've never really been in a relationship and generally have terrible luck with women (though getting better I suppose) and so I was taken aback at first by this girl as she seemed interested in me and made a lot of the initial advances/flirting moves. Anyways I ask her out and we go for a late lunch date, things go well and we seem to get along pretty well too. The only warning sign I get at this point is that she recently (like within the last couple months) got dumped and kicked out by her ex that she was living with, but she insists they are still friends. Kus of that I realize that drama is likely but well she is pretty much the first girl to show some legit interest in me so I can't really help but start to develop feelings for her. We are pretty chatty via txt and everything seems like it's going great until she suddenly breaks off our plans for a 2nd date at the last min with some lame excuse. I call her out on it, but never get a response and she proceeds to stop coming to work. All of this happening over the course of a month.

Now it's one week later since she basically fell off the face of the earth. It's been a hell of a week too, not only because of going from what seemed like a potential relationship to silence but work has been hell too with the reminders of her absence not to mention the chaos from loosing a person so suddenly. Like they say when it rains it pours and I've both felt like shit and been expected to deal with a lot of whit this last week with really next to no breaks or relief. Only now finally starting to feel like myself again and getting back on track.

Then I find out this girl now works at a nearby restaurant that I enjoy, and I have to admit I feel compelled to try and catch her there to talk to her. Not really sure what I want to say, but mostly I think I just want to hear what the hell happened to her. Totally not expecting much though and to be honest I'm not even sure if I can believe whatever she'll tell me at this point. Maybe I'm silly to even want to talk to her still and part of me thinks I should just avoid the place and keep her out of my life. I guess I'm just confused and amazed at how hurt I feel over the whole thing even being such a short relationship.
I can take that responsibility.
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
August 19 2013 07:05 GMT
#5015
Then I find out this girl now works at a nearby restaurant that I enjoy, and I have to admit I feel compelled to try and catch her there to talk to her. Not really sure what I want to say, but mostly I think I just want to hear what the hell happened to her. Totally not expecting much though and to be honest I'm not even sure if I can believe whatever she'll tell me at this point. Maybe I'm silly to even want to talk to her still and part of me thinks I should just avoid the place and keep her out of my life. I guess I'm just confused and amazed at how hurt I feel over the whole thing even being such a short relationship.

the fact that she cut herself off of you, hasn't replied etc, means that she probably isn't interested in you anymore... So don't get your hopes up.
You can go and talk to her, and IMO you even should, but only if you feel that you can stay grounded during it. Know what you want to ask, don't accuse her of anything, and don't have any expectations of getting back together or something.
Do this, because it sounds like it would help you move on. That's what I would do anyway.
Ambre
Profile Joined July 2011
France416 Posts
August 19 2013 07:19 GMT
#5016
God damn it =(

Had a date with a girl I met on a dating site. She was not the first girl I ve met that way. But she was the first that I really liked (and found really attractive)

The date went okay, I made her laugh a lot, we talked about stuff etc. But some signs tells me she might not be interested (won't elaborate on that, it's not necessary)

Anyway, the day after I texted her, and she has not responded back. Now it's been more than 24h. Fuck me.She could have at least tell me that "it would not work between us" or whatever -_-
"There is only one corner of the universe you can be certain of improving, and that's your own self." - Aldous Huxley
SsDrKosS
Profile Joined March 2013
330 Posts
August 19 2013 08:02 GMT
#5017
what? what is 'date'? :p

(and this is not happy story )
+ Show Spoiler +

Oh well, I used to meet a girl in highschool and we went quite well for a while.
we both liked music and I wasn't into SC2 (haha) so I had such a good time for a year.
then, her parents found me out and told me off, thinking i'm a jerk making her spoiled.
So, yeah, I got yelled, she got yelled. My first love has gone like that...

And now, who's my gf? SC2 ;p
SsDrKosS
Profile Joined March 2013
330 Posts
August 19 2013 08:09 GMT
#5018
btw dating is actually very similar with SC2

you need
-resource and enough time
-good micro and macro
-good scout
-to seek advice from experts
-to learn from mistakes/failure
-tactics
-expand? (o crap...)
and so on :p

And 'no luck' in both of them. only SKILLS!

(but good at sc2 doesn't mean good at relationship :p)
Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
August 19 2013 09:17 GMT
#5019
On August 19 2013 14:44 Tictock wrote:
Gunna update from a post i made in here awhile back. Partially looking for any advice, partially just venting kus it seems like things are over.

Anyways, the situation was that I was starting to see this girl I worked with. I've never really been in a relationship and generally have terrible luck with women (though getting better I suppose) and so I was taken aback at first by this girl as she seemed interested in me and made a lot of the initial advances/flirting moves. Anyways I ask her out and we go for a late lunch date, things go well and we seem to get along pretty well too. The only warning sign I get at this point is that she recently (like within the last couple months) got dumped and kicked out by her ex that she was living with, but she insists they are still friends. Kus of that I realize that drama is likely but well she is pretty much the first girl to show some legit interest in me so I can't really help but start to develop feelings for her. We are pretty chatty via txt and everything seems like it's going great until she suddenly breaks off our plans for a 2nd date at the last min with some lame excuse. I call her out on it, but never get a response and she proceeds to stop coming to work. All of this happening over the course of a month.

Now it's one week later since she basically fell off the face of the earth. It's been a hell of a week too, not only because of going from what seemed like a potential relationship to silence but work has been hell too with the reminders of her absence not to mention the chaos from loosing a person so suddenly. Like they say when it rains it pours and I've both felt like shit and been expected to deal with a lot of whit this last week with really next to no breaks or relief. Only now finally starting to feel like myself again and getting back on track.

Then I find out this girl now works at a nearby restaurant that I enjoy, and I have to admit I feel compelled to try and catch her there to talk to her. Not really sure what I want to say, but mostly I think I just want to hear what the hell happened to her. Totally not expecting much though and to be honest I'm not even sure if I can believe whatever she'll tell me at this point. Maybe I'm silly to even want to talk to her still and part of me thinks I should just avoid the place and keep her out of my life. I guess I'm just confused and amazed at how hurt I feel over the whole thing even being such a short relationship.

Women can really build up your ego and self esteem if you let them. The problem being that if you let them you open yourself up to being crushed by them later.

It'll get easier, or rather, you will get better at handling this type of thing the more it happens to you. The better you get at it, the more women will like you, so don't get discouraged. It builds character, and is a valuable experience. Think of it as an armor upgrade, and women looove armor! :D
Meborg
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands50 Posts
August 19 2013 11:06 GMT
#5020
Armor is the wrong word, as it implies defensive. Women like it when men go on the counter offense. Women will shit-test you, and you gotta call them on it. If women try to bait a response from you, just derail their attempts to get information from you and tease them with some random stuff. Knowing stuff is boring, it's about imagination. So even if you know the answer to the question she's asking, make her use her imagination to get to the answer.

For example, when you're drinking a proper beer, and she says "I hate beer", you just respond with "Yeah I really hate it too!" followed by taking a big tug of your beer. She will call you on the fact that you are drinking beer even though you just said you hate beer. Then just respond with some bullshit that your particular beer is wine-flavored, because of the way you drink it.

Dont know if the above example works in practice, but it makes her imagine whether the beer actually does taste like wine or something. The only way she can know for sure however is if she drinks the beer. And that's sort of what you want.
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