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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on. Posts of the following nature are banned: 1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post. 2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no. 3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture. 4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments. Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating. | ||
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WarSame
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Emnjay808
United States10650 Posts
Anyways on another note: I’m on talking terms with this girl I see regularly at work. She’s very attractive but quiet. I have to initiate all convo even though I feel her staring at me all day. This was enough for me to conclude that she is definitely interested. I also broke my rule of dating no one at the gym. I picked up 2 girls numbers just for fun. I don’t really expect a date or anything it was just nice to engage with them past just smiling at each other. I guess that’s it. My luck so far is meh. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10650 Posts
Also the gym is my temple too. But man it’s so hard to resist just flirting with girls there. Especially if they’re showing crazy signs of liking you. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 10 2018 21:46 Broetchenholer wrote: I do not think i actually missed an "opening" either, or i missed a lot of signs besides beng at her place. And even if that was the shot i had and i just friendzoned myself by not showing more initiative i would not want to be in a relationship where one side just turns on and off physical attraction between 3 days  The only way i lose in the present scenario is if we get together in the end and it does not work out spectacurlarly, making roleplaying awkward. But that's not the biggest concern. Hmm...that's often how women work. If they make themselves available and you don't make something happen, they start to lose interest, or start to put you in the category of "he isn't interested in me", which is a friend category. Once you're there, for most women the attraction shuts down. Unlike men, most women don't think of guys they see as friends as someone they would have sex with...even if the guy is hot. And yea, you missed an opportunity without a doubt. Girls don't invite you back to their place and give you a drink for no reason. They also don't do this with guys they see as friends, especially not ones they've hung out with for two sessions and are really more acquaintances. She was absolutely into you, and she did what most girls do...made herself available. Only VERY rarely will a girl aggressively be into you and escalate with you. She just places herself in a position where it's easy and convenient for you to escalate. By the sound of it you sat there, didn't really touch her, had conversation but nothing flirty or charged, and then left. In her mind it's "damn I brought this guy over to my house but the didn't flirt with me or try to touch me or anything I guess he isn't interested  Where i disagree with you is the part about her obviously being "dtf" right away. There is literally one tell i presented you with that points to that and all the rest of the post says that is not what actually happened. All i was trying to say is, sometimes hollywood tells are not what hollywood says. I am curious to know why she chose to invite me up but i would advise anybody against taking something like that as proof of intentions of a woman. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. For someone who admits they don't do well with women and miss a lot of signals and often get friendzoned you feel very confident in your responses here. Girls don't invite male acquaintances over to their house if they aren't interested. It just doesn't happen. If you were a deep friend, sure she might. If you were a girl, sure she might. If there were other people there and it was a group thing, sure she might. A single guy who she has hung out with twice? No. That's close to as blatant sign of "I'm attracted" as you can get. You're sorta right in the "dtf" thing, it's not a guaranteed thing...but if she is bringing you over to her house, it means she is definitely interested, wants you to escalate, and is at least open to the idea of things becoming sexual if that escalation goes well. This "one tell" is not all that far off from her physically pulling you into make out or grabbing your dick. All the other signs say none of this happened because well...you didn't do anything. Sex doesn't magically happen. It happens becomes you move the interaction that way and cause it to happen. You didn't do this, ergo no sex, no kissing, no touching, etc. I'm honestly not sure what else you would be expecting. there is not a lot of time left as we started late and the last train is leaving for me in half an hour. I kinda panic, there has been no real flirting again, i should at least leave her with a kiss for the evening right? But there is simply no moment. We are at the station and this is not the place for the first kiss, it's loud and smelly and what am i gonna do. So we keep talking and 5 minutes before my train arrives i panic and ask her what she sees in me, because that shows selfesteem and stuff! And she is super uncomfortable and says basically: "you are alright, i like to take things slowly, we'll get there, maybe". And my mind is just blown. I'm sorry, but this in a nutshell is basically explaining your relationship situation. Given that you have things like this happening to you, you're likely a decent looking guy, rocking a confident, playful personality, or some combination of the two. You get some initial attraction from women. But...it doesn't go anywhere for you. Just look at this whole bowling thing: 1) You made no physical contact by the sound of it 2) There was no teasing 3) Sounds like you talked about dryer, more intellectual topics rather than fun, emotional ones 4) You didn't have physical contact 5) You didn't flirt with her, talk about sexual things, or even talk about dating 6) You didn't have physical contact What you're doing is definitely an excellent way to make sure women never realize you're interested in them. Ask yourself this, what did you do, over this entire interaction, to suggest to this women that you were interested in her? Asking her out on a date is about the only thing. But then at the date you did nothing. She was probably thinking you were interested, but then when you did nothing figured that you decided you weren't. You should, based on your story, ZERO signs of interest in her as a lover/date. As for the kiss thing. Two issues there: the first is that there is nothing wrong with kissing someone in a train station. That was an excuse. The second reason, and the main one why you thought there was no opportunity...is because you weren't escalating the entire time. If you haven't touched her at all, and then you suddenly try to go for a kiss it's a HUGE jump. Awkwardly huge. Now instead imagine you had started off flirting a bit, maybing touching her arm or shoulder, eventually her back if she seemed interested, then eventually putting your arm around her, and by the end you were walking her to the train station talking about some flirty subject with your arm around her neck. Now it's incredibly easy and super natural to just turn her head towards you and kiss her. It happens without thinking about it. You were busy thinking about trying to kiss her because, without escalation, it wasn't a natural thing to do. It felt wierd, so you were thinking about it a shit ton and trying to find a non awkward way to do it. So now i can go back to my old world where the idea of getting laid in the immediate future is nothing but a fantasy. I like that world actually. Do you really? You seemed pretty excited about the idea of things going well this chick and finding someone cool. What your basically saying is that you like a world with no women in your life more than a world with a great woman in your life. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but most people come to a dating thread because...they want a woman in their. Or in some cases because they need help dealing with a woman already in their life. I don't think your general idea of how to escalate flirting is wrong in order to test/create/improve interest. I am really bad at this and i believe in a more friendship based approach that usually puts me firmly in the friendzone. I am okay with that, it's better then being flirty, gettin into bed with people on some attraction and then realizing that there was not much more then the thrill of the hunt There are ways to take a slower approach in which you get to know her a little more as a person before having sex without actually friend zoning yourself. This would look like a situation where you might go on 3, 4, or 5 dates beforesex happens. The key difference is that you would still flirt, still tease, still talk about sex and relationships, and most importantly still escalate. You just wouldn't escalate as hard or as fast. It might be something like general touch and flirting on the first couple dates, a kiss on date 3, more like making out or somewhat physical stuff on date 4, and then sex on date 5 now that you're becoming friends and have an idea you 100% like her. What you're doing right now is letting most girls that you're interested in friendzone you (as you admit) because if your lack of escalation and flirtatiousness. Wanting to develop the relationship more slowly and intimately is fine...letting relationships go with women that your attracted to because of your approach is not good. | ||
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WarSame
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Women have so much choice and do the choosing yet are conditioned by society to not take the actual action that unless you're being really awkward creepy and/or holding back + inauthentic horribly it's really easy to get to the friendzone from almost any point if you want that. Just treat people the same, be open to the world, I do it all the time. Lunch ladies clerks, friends, even guys sometimes for the hell of it - it's just fun. Like 2 days back I went to the pool just 45 mins before closing time And this around 50y old lady receptionist was like "yeah you can go, but you better make it before 9 or I will beat you up" I nodded went to the lockers then came back briefly and looked at her with a puzzled face as if I'm thinking about it and we both started laughing. And then 45 mins later when I made it I was like "Well..I know I made it but if the offer still stands . . ." "Oh go on get out of here or I'll slap you" "Oh well, but only if I get to pick where" as I was leaving EDIT: again when I think about it in my last relationship after a couple years I got closed off to the world, stop noticing and interacting with people like that pffft | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1872 Posts
Anyway, you need to stop being so sure about broad generalisations of 50% of the population on this planet. I am not saying you are wrong, like you do, i am saying you cannot know for sure and so you shouldn't be. A lot of evidence points to me not seeing the full picture here but you are seeing the "blogpost" variant of that half picture and decide you know exactly what happened. And that is a dangerous position to be in. What we can agree on is that no matter what her intent was for showing me her flat, my lack of flirting prevented knowing. Had i tried at that time i would know what was on the cards. And if she did intent on providing me with space as you put it, then not reacting to it is a great way of confusing her on my position in the whole story. Oh well, time will tell. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17898 Posts
On November 11 2018 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not disagreeing with you on most parts. I know pretty well how my idea of dating is perceived and how those dates usually end. I know that being better at flirting would improve my chances to keep the interest and that an absence of them means an escalation is super awkward or straight up not happening. But that is just not me. Your dating advise revolves around the idea that once you are in the friendzone you may never leave. So you have to push that girl towards escalation all the time or game over. And this is certainly true for blind or online dates, as the girl will simply stop dating me after three times of nothing happened. But why would i want to be with a woman that meets me in theory at least once a week but would have decided me to not be a suitable partner after week 3 because i did not touch her arm in time. Anyway, you need to stop being so sure about broad generalisations of 50% of the population on this planet. I am not saying you are wrong, like you do, i am saying you cannot know for sure and so you shouldn't be. A lot of evidence points to me not seeing the full picture here but you are seeing the "blogpost" variant of that half picture and decide you know exactly what happened. And that is a dangerous position to be in. What we can agree on is that no matter what her intent was for showing me her flat, my lack of flirting prevented knowing. Had i tried at that time i would know what was on the cards. And if she did intent on providing me with space as you put it, then not reacting to it is a great way of confusing her on my position in the whole story. Oh well, time will tell. I don't think anyone here is trying to tell you you have no shot with her anymore. Just that she has shown interest in you and you have not responded. Or at least, haven't described a response. Maybe you were actually doing things that she interpreted as you being interested and she is timid and nerdy (we know you are  ) and you're both young and unsure of what signals you're sending and receiving. Maybe this is your really slow way of escalating and it's kinda working for both of you?But let's face it, when everyone here is telling you that girls don't just invite *anybody* up for a drink in their flat, that is gospel truth. And if you weren't close friends before already, that is a very clear sign of romantic interest (or maybe lust, but either way, not platonic). And yes, she might be different and actually just want to give you a cup of coffee and send you on your way, but if you don't try to escalate (and that is a slow escalation, not dropping your pants the moment you're in the door) you will never know. The same goes for not finding the opportunity to kiss. If you want to kiss a girl, you need to put yourself into a position where kissing is a natural next step. Sometimes that can be quick: a peck on a cheek, a slight lingering, a touch of her hand, and suddenly a platonic goodbye has turned into a first kiss. But that is rare and requires extreme attraction. Mostly it's a far more comfortable buildup during the date where you naturally want to touch her, and if she reacts positively you want to get closer, etc. It's not some 5-step plan of escalation. It's mostly just acting when you feel you want to act rather than shyly pulling back from any chance at touching. And then suddenly, a first kiss at the train station is a far more natural move than a peck on her cheek and a promise to meet at the next gaming session. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On November 11 2018 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not disagreeing with you on most parts. I know pretty well how my idea of dating is perceived and how those dates usually end. I know that being better at flirting would improve my chances to keep the interest and that an absence of them means an escalation is super awkward or straight up not happening. But that is just not me. Your dating advise revolves around the idea that once you are in the friendzone you may never leave. So you have to push that girl towards escalation all the time or game over. And this is certainly true for blind or online dates, as the girl will simply stop dating me after three times of nothing happened. But why would i want to be with a woman that meets me in theory at least once a week but would have decided me to not be a suitable partner after week 3 because i did not touch her arm in time. See it from the girl's perspective - she opens herself up to you, goes out of her way, takes action and you not doing anything is akin to being rejected by you pretty much, and can create awkwardness/negative feelings just like when you do actually are direct with someone and get rejected, many people don't want to repeat that so that's why the likelihood of her not considering you romantically goes down pretty quickly. I wouldn't hold that against her at all actually,and I do the same - once I make my intent clear and get rejected why'd I try again?. You want romantically someone who likes you the same way and puts in the effort, that's equally or more important to any other quality they have combined and if they don't there's another bus in 15 minutes. Not saying you don't have a chance with her, but what you are doing definitely lowers attraction. If that means you're fine with doing that over and over and the only high quality girls you'll ever be with have such a high level of interest in you it can take a lot of beating before they give up then so be it I guess. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10650 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On November 11 2018 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote: Your dating advise revolves around the idea that once you are in the friendzone you may never leave. So you have to push that girl towards escalation all the time or game over. And this is certainly true for blind or online dates, as the girl will simply stop dating me after three times of nothing happened. But why would i want to be with a woman that meets me in theory at least once a week but would have decided me to not be a suitable partner after week 3 because i did not touch her arm in time. No. It does not revolve around that, because that flat out isn't the case. You can leave the so called friendzone. It doesn't happen often, but on certain occasions it does happen. For being a suitable partner...you're acting like she goes in her head "well this guy didn't touch me arm at one hour, so nah I'm not going to date him". What she is doing is actually being very interested in you, hoping something happens, nothing happens, and then she gives up on you. Imagine you went out on a three or four dates with a girl and every date she just sat there with a bored expression and gave you one or two word, monotone replies. What would you do? Would you really feel like this is going somewhere, or would you feel a little uncomfortable and decide she isn't interested in you and move on? You'd move on. That's what happening with this girl. You told her you weren't interested and she gave up. She isn't thinking "this guy isn't a suitable partner", she is thinking "well damn. This cool guy isn't into me, I was hoping and thinking he was ". It's also not that you didn't "touch her arm". It's that you didn't do a damn thing over 3 dates. You didn't flirt. You didn't have any fun energy. You didn't touch. You did nothing. She hasn't decided you're not a suitable partner. She has given up. If you started showing interest, there is a good chance she is still interested. But...apparently that's not your style to show girls you're interested... I am not disagreeing with you on most parts. I know pretty well how my idea of dating is perceived and how those dates usually end. I know that being better at flirting would improve my chances to keep the interest and that an absence of them means an escalation is super awkward or straight up not happening. But that is just not me. I'm pretty damn sure, when dealing with women, you have major confidence issues. What you're saying is just painfully incongruent. Your flat out saying here you want to be in a relationship with a women, and that what you're doing kills your chances of that, but you're not going to do it because "it's not you". "It's not me" is usually code for "I'm fucking scared to do this cause I feel like it will be awkward if it doesn't go right". Legit question, how many relationships have you been in and how did they start? Bottom line here is that you're blatantly killing your chances to date almost all women. You seem to know what you're doing doesn't work except for the 1 in 100 to 1 in a 1000 edge case where you luck into a relationship with a woman because of being decent looking and her not having many options. Anyway, you need to stop being so sure about broad generalisations of 50% of the population on this planet. I am not saying you are wrong, like you do, i am saying you cannot know for sure and so you shouldn't be. A lot of evidence points to me not seeing the full picture here but you are seeing the "blogpost" variant of that half picture and decide you know exactly what happened. And that is a dangerous position to be in. Let me put it to you this way. If a car in front of you is driving on the road and begins to simultaneously slow down, put on it's right turn signal, and move into the right turn lane...you conclude that the car is going to make a right hand turn. Will there be times the driver of that car made a mistake, doesn't want to turn, and suddenly moves away from the turn lane? Of course. Does it happen often? No. It's an uncommon edge case. I'm not 100%, unquestionable, dogmatically certain she was open to having sex with you. But I'm pretty sure she was. My own experience with dozens of girls is that 100% of the time I'm invited over to their house o(or even vice versa) we have sex. There are a lot of posters on this thread alone with a lot of experience. I'd be willing to bet you that for them, they've also had sex or gotten physical every time a girl they recently met invited them over to their house out of the blue. I'd be surprised if there was even one exception. It's never happened to me. It's never happened to anybody I know (sort of situations where they blatantly admitted to fucking it up, i.e. doing something super awkward like spilling wine all over the girl, or doing what you did and not escalating). There is a chance she wasn't interested in doing anything with you. It's possible. Based on a combination of both logic and a vast amount of personal experience of myself, people I know, this thread, and general dating advice and discussion from both women and men it's also incredibly unlikely. Could this be the 1 in 1000 edge case? Yea. But it probably isn't and you shouldn't treat it as such when the overwhelming likelihood is that you missed the opportunity. What we can agree on is that no matter what her intent was for showing me her flat, my lack of flirting prevented knowing. Had i tried at that time i would know what was on the cards. And if she did intent on providing me with space as you put it, then not reacting to it is a great way of confusing her on my position in the whole story. Yes it is. Legitimate question, why do you keep doing it? You're even telling us you know it doesn't work. Why do you persist with a shitty strategy that absolute cripples your chances to date women that you're attracted to who seem like they would be awesome people to date. I feel like going into interviews for awesome jobs in the field your interested in but doing the interviews only giving one word answers. Then, when asked, saying "I know pretty well how my one word answers are perceived and how those interviews usually end, but saying any more than that isn't me". | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On November 12 2018 00:30 Emnjay808 wrote: If a girl I just befriended invited me to her place for a drink. My dick would already start tingling. That’s how clear the sign to you should be, my dude. Sums it up. Your spider sense should be pretty obvious in this case. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4536 Posts
On November 11 2018 20:27 Broetchenholer wrote: I am not disagreeing with you on most parts. I know pretty well how my idea of dating is perceived and how those dates usually end. I know that being better at flirting would improve my chances to keep the interest and that an absence of them means an escalation is super awkward or straight up not happening. But that is just not me. Your dating advise revolves around the idea that once you are in the friendzone you may never leave. So you have to push that girl towards escalation all the time or game over. And this is certainly true for blind or online dates, as the girl will simply stop dating me after three times of nothing happened. But why would i want to be with a woman that meets me in theory at least once a week but would have decided me to not be a suitable partner after week 3 because i did not touch her arm in time. Anyway, you need to stop being so sure about broad generalisations of 50% of the population on this planet. I am not saying you are wrong, like you do, i am saying you cannot know for sure and so you shouldn't be. A lot of evidence points to me not seeing the full picture here but you are seeing the "blogpost" variant of that half picture and decide you know exactly what happened. And that is a dangerous position to be in. What we can agree on is that no matter what her intent was for showing me her flat, my lack of flirting prevented knowing. Had i tried at that time i would know what was on the cards. And if she did intent on providing me with space as you put it, then not reacting to it is a great way of confusing her on my position in the whole story. Oh well, time will tell. There's some truth in here. Lemon's advice doesn't apply to all girls, don't sweat it just yet. So we keep talking and 5 minutes before my train arrives i panic and ask her what she sees in me, because that shows selfesteem and stuff! And she is super uncomfortable and says basically: "you are alright, i like to take things slowly, we'll get there, maybe". And my mind is just blown. Based on this I'm pretty sure she didn't invite you up to her appartment to have sex. If she did, you would've gotten a different reply here. If you've already done two 1-on-1 dates it's definitely time to make a move though. Best of luck | ||
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geokilla
Canada8224 Posts
On November 05 2018 05:21 LemOn wrote: I'm not sure why you'd get angry/emotional even You were heading to being friendzoned or ignored I told you that ages ago, was just a question of time. But I do think n1 priority for you is to get experience, any experience is a great one and if you do have questions just ask. I think it's because it worked with my ex before. I must have spent two months chasing her in a similar way before we started dating? I don't really remember cus I have bad memory, but it was something like that. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
Based on this I'm pretty sure she didn't invite you up to her appartment to have sex. If she did, you would've gotten a different reply here. If you've already done two 1-on-1 dates it's definitely time to make a move though. Best of luck On the contrary, I think based on that his conclusion is a misreading of what happened. He has said he wouldn’t want to be involved with someone who is so fickle as to be sexually attracted one minute and turned off the next. But he is not taking into account how revealing the encounter in her apartment was about him, and how her perception of him could have been dramatically altered by his (a)sexual behavior there. There’s a strong tendency when reviewing past encounters to assume that the people you are interacting with have a stable understanding of who you are, just as you yourself do. The long history you have of yourself contextualizes your actions in a very strong way, but this is not so for people who are only acquaintances. Consider that before she invited him up, she only knew that he seemed attractive in public situations. His underlying sexual attitude and appearance was necessarily a construct of her imagination, interpellated from his behavior in exclusively non- or de-sexualized encounters. When he went up and failed to make the move she expected, she may very well have massively reevaluated his overall attractiveness. Any imaginary projections about his future romantic, flirtatious, or sexual overtures had to undergo serious revision as he made sterile, possibly even awkward conversation. Her response while waiting for a train should be read in that light. He revealed himself to be an inhibited person without sexual passion in the apartment, and it will now necessarily be a long road back to garner her sexual interest, because any sudden switch in behavior, like a fumbling attempt to initiate sexually charged touch, would appear schizophrenic and out of character, or worse, make him appear as an unsocialized loose cannon. First impressions matter because all subsequent behavior either confirms it, or appears as a deviation that needs to be explained. She, alone with a possibly unstable man waiting for a train, of course softened it for him with a white lie about liking to take it slow. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On November 13 2018 00:47 geokilla wrote: In Hong Kong right now and my friends are telling me to go to the "massage parlours" to try and build up some confidence when it comes to having "fun." Especially since it's so cheap in Hong Kong. I know it's legal here but what's your take on this? I wouldn't mind trying but at the same time, it feels so wrong yet so right. If it goes right, it'll definitely boost my confidence because of how wrong things went in the past and I've basically developed something negative psychologically towards sexual intercourse. Be careful not to do something you end up regretting in the future. It sounds like you might need some other confidence boosting measure like a therapy session or winning some ladder games rather than a working girl. That said, nothing like a good ol' fashioned to take the mind off of things ( I wouldn't take it further than that - and probably you're better off trying to meet randoms at a club or something). | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10650 Posts
On November 13 2018 02:35 IgnE wrote: On the contrary, I think based on that his conclusion is a misreading of what happened. He has said he wouldn’t want to be involved with someone who is so fickle as to be sexually attracted one minute and turned off the next. But he is not taking into account how revealing the encounter in her apartment was about him, and how her perception of him could have been dramatically altered by his (a)sexual behavior there. There’s a strong tendency when reviewing past encounters to assume that the people you are interacting with have a stable understanding of who you are, just as you yourself do. The long history you have of yourself contextualizes your actions in a very strong way, but this is not so for people who are only acquaintances. Consider that before she invited him up, she only knew that he seemed attractive in public situations. His underlying sexual attitude and appearance was necessarily a construct of her imagination, interpellated from his behavior in exclusively non- or de-sexualized encounters. When he went up and failed to make the move she expected, she may very well have massively reevaluated his overall attractiveness. Any imaginary projections about his future romantic, flirtatious, or sexual overtures had to undergo serious revision as he made sterile, possibly even awkward conversation. Her response while waiting for a train should be read in that light. He revealed himself to be an inhibited person without sexual passion in the apartment, and it will now necessarily be a long road back to garner her sexual interest, because any sudden switch in behavior, like a fumbling attempt to initiate sexually charged touch, would appear schizophrenic and out of character, or worse, make him appear as an unsocialized loose cannon. First impressions matter because all subsequent behavior either confirms it, or appears as a deviation that needs to be explained. She, alone with a possibly unstable man waiting for a train, of course softened it for him with a white lie about liking to take it slow. Wow nice analysis and insight. Reminds me of some bad dates I’ve had in the past because I had confidence issues | ||
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WarSame
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