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On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. Update on me: I definitely feel a lot better now. Im starting to see the benefits of being single again, and though my nights are pretty lonely I just sleep through it and live the next day to its fullest.
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On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one.
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On September 10 2018 01:26 bloodwhore~ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one. Kinda depends. Cheating is pretty horrible, but if you know why it happened, and that part of the relationship can be fixed, there is the possiblity to continue, assuming two very big ifs: 1. You can find it in yourself to trust her again (also implies forgiving her) 2. You both actually want the relationship to continue
Cheating doesn't come out of nowhere. If the relationship was healthy, there would be no thought of cheating. If you just grew apart, then there isn't much you can do, and I agree with bloodwhore: don't do what you're doing. You have to move on. If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option.
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U both escaped my last update. Thanks though lol
I don’t need a partner, I got football!!!
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On September 10 2018 02:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 01:26 bloodwhore~ wrote:On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one. Kinda depends. Cheating is pretty horrible, but if you know why it happened, and that part of the relationship can be fixed, there is the possiblity to continue, assuming two very big ifs: 1. You can find it in yourself to trust her again (also implies forgiving her) 2. You both actually want the relationship to continue Cheating doesn't come out of nowhere. If the relationship was healthy, there would be no thought of cheating. If you just grew apart, then there isn't much you can do, and I agree with bloodwhore: don't do what you're doing. You have to move on. If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option.
I like the interpretation that if a woman (or man) cheats, that person is scum in the context of personal relationships and you should no longer assosiate with them. If you "grew apart" you can talk it, break the relationship, etc etc. Not a big fan of all this rationalization to justify unaceptable behavior.
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On September 10 2018 03:04 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 02:36 Acrofales wrote:On September 10 2018 01:26 bloodwhore~ wrote:On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one. Kinda depends. Cheating is pretty horrible, but if you know why it happened, and that part of the relationship can be fixed, there is the possiblity to continue, assuming two very big ifs: 1. You can find it in yourself to trust her again (also implies forgiving her) 2. You both actually want the relationship to continue Cheating doesn't come out of nowhere. If the relationship was healthy, there would be no thought of cheating. If you just grew apart, then there isn't much you can do, and I agree with bloodwhore: don't do what you're doing. You have to move on. If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option. I like the interpretation that if a woman (or man) cheats, that person is scum in the context of personal relationships and you should no longer assosiate with them. If you "grew apart" you can talk it, break the relationship, etc etc. Not a big fan of all this rationalization to justify unaceptable behavior.
Explaining behaviour is not the same as justification. Of course cheating isn't acceptable, but I can understand why it happens.
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On September 10 2018 03:08 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 03:04 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 10 2018 02:36 Acrofales wrote:On September 10 2018 01:26 bloodwhore~ wrote:On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one. Kinda depends. Cheating is pretty horrible, but if you know why it happened, and that part of the relationship can be fixed, there is the possiblity to continue, assuming two very big ifs: 1. You can find it in yourself to trust her again (also implies forgiving her) 2. You both actually want the relationship to continue Cheating doesn't come out of nowhere. If the relationship was healthy, there would be no thought of cheating. If you just grew apart, then there isn't much you can do, and I agree with bloodwhore: don't do what you're doing. You have to move on. If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option. I like the interpretation that if a woman (or man) cheats, that person is scum in the context of personal relationships and you should no longer assosiate with them. If you "grew apart" you can talk it, break the relationship, etc etc. Not a big fan of all this rationalization to justify unaceptable behavior. Explaining behaviour is not the same as justification. Of course cheating isn't acceptable, but I can understand why it happens.
He is saying " If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option", making it something tolerable. Don't be in personal relationships with cheaters. Don't be in business relationship with people who steal money. Makes life happier, and simple.
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On September 10 2018 03:26 GoTuNk! wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 03:08 Excludos wrote:On September 10 2018 03:04 GoTuNk! wrote:On September 10 2018 02:36 Acrofales wrote:On September 10 2018 01:26 bloodwhore~ wrote:On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. I'd move on. Seems like she used one of you as a back up plan. I wouldn't bother finding out who is the one. Kinda depends. Cheating is pretty horrible, but if you know why it happened, and that part of the relationship can be fixed, there is the possiblity to continue, assuming two very big ifs: 1. You can find it in yourself to trust her again (also implies forgiving her) 2. You both actually want the relationship to continue Cheating doesn't come out of nowhere. If the relationship was healthy, there would be no thought of cheating. If you just grew apart, then there isn't much you can do, and I agree with bloodwhore: don't do what you're doing. You have to move on. If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option. I like the interpretation that if a woman (or man) cheats, that person is scum in the context of personal relationships and you should no longer assosiate with them. If you "grew apart" you can talk it, break the relationship, etc etc. Not a big fan of all this rationalization to justify unaceptable behavior. Explaining behaviour is not the same as justification. Of course cheating isn't acceptable, but I can understand why it happens. He is saying " If, however, you know what is wrong and both want to work on it and make the relationship work, then that is an option", making it something tolerable. Don't be in personal relationships with cheaters. Don't be in business relationship with people who steal money. Makes life happier, and simple.
Problem with that is that people are successfully continuing happy relationships despite cheating all the time. If both love each other and are willing to work on fixing the problems, it might work. Why and how really matters a lot
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On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. define "good while" Did she ask for exclusivity/were you officially committed boyfriend girlfriend?
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On September 10 2018 05:04 LemOn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2018 10:55 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 04 2018 12:35 Emnjay808 wrote: Was seeing a girl for a good while. I srsly liked her a lot. Found out today she was also seeing someone else.
I feel numb as shit. I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemy. Update: we started talking again after the fact. I had angry sex with her and it didn’t feel the same. I srsly don’t know what the fuck I’m doing anymore. define "good while" Did she ask for exclusivity/were you officially committed boyfriend girlfriend? I told her I’m not seeing anyone else and she reciprocated. She also hid this other person from me.
I’m already over it so it doesn’t matter. I’m mostly upset that she just kept me or the other dude on the back burner while she can’t make up her mind, that’s definitely not fair.
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Oh, I always let women initiate exclusivity, boyfriend girlfriend etc. in their own indirect ways. It kinda backs her into a corner when you say you're not seeing anyone and imply you want the same when she's not sure yet
Contrary to what you see in movies it's usually men that want to "lock her down" as soon as they get some, when women (on average, everyone's unique of course don't you call me sexist xD) aren't ready as they build trust and attraction over time.
Something to learn from
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Yesterday I spent a while fixing my eyebrows so they don't look imbalanced / look a lot better. I spent an hour or so on it. Today I was coming back from another city. I was burnt out and groggy. I stopped by the Farmer's market, but I didn't have any cash. Then, two of the cutest girls I've ever seen, like the types of girls that make Instagram famous, asked me to take their picture, and gave me the interested eye contact signal to talk to them, but I was so burnt out that after taking the picture I just grunted and walked on my way. Instant regret. Why didn't I stop by the bank, so I could have money for fruit?! Then I would have had some energy. Gah. Bah. Flarg.
But hey, at least the eyebrows are working.
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I didn’t intend to date her for as long as I did. But then I ended up really liking her. I don’t think I felt like I made her feel cornered when I said that I was only seeing her at the moment and she said the same to me (it was true at the time, apparently). That’s when it kinda unofficially cemented our relationship. It’s not like we were discussing our future together or anything, we were just enjoying each other’s company and taking it one thing at a time.
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Cheating isn't acceptable under any circumstance. The only reason not to ghost the person and move on is that you can't do any better and/or you're incapable of getting anything else, which should be a defining moment in your life that you need to get it together.
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On September 10 2018 16:45 Skew wrote: Cheating isn't acceptable under any circumstance. The only reason not to ghost the person and move on is that you can't do any better and/or you're incapable of getting anything else, which should be a defining moment in your life that you need to get it together.
With hormones jumping all around , turning our brains off, I think almost all of us can end up cheating in the right situation. And what is cheating anyway? A one-night stand? A longtime sexual affair? A kiss? An emotional affair? An emotional relationship? Finding someone they rather would be with and dumping their current parner before or after going physical about it?
The "any circumstance" statement is wrong imo, especially considering how many horrible kinds of relationships one can be "cheating" from.
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On September 10 2018 17:57 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 16:45 Skew wrote: Cheating isn't acceptable under any circumstance. The only reason not to ghost the person and move on is that you can't do any better and/or you're incapable of getting anything else, which should be a defining moment in your life that you need to get it together. With hormones jumping all around , turning our brains off, I think almost all of us can end up cheating in the right situation. And what is cheating anyway? A one-night stand? A longtime sexual affair? A kiss? An emotional affair? An emotional relationship? Finding someone they rather would be with and dumping their current parner before or after going physical about it? The "any circumstance" statement is wrong imo, especially considering how many horrible kinds of relationships one can be "cheating" from. there is no right situation. blaming hormones or "turning our brains off" are just excuses for poor self control and lack of decency. if you make a commitment to one person then honour your word. if the relationship is horrible, then break the relationship off and then meet someone else. you cant justify you being a dick because the relationship is bad.
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On September 10 2018 19:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 17:57 Slydie wrote:On September 10 2018 16:45 Skew wrote: Cheating isn't acceptable under any circumstance. The only reason not to ghost the person and move on is that you can't do any better and/or you're incapable of getting anything else, which should be a defining moment in your life that you need to get it together. With hormones jumping all around , turning our brains off, I think almost all of us can end up cheating in the right situation. And what is cheating anyway? A one-night stand? A longtime sexual affair? A kiss? An emotional affair? An emotional relationship? Finding someone they rather would be with and dumping their current parner before or after going physical about it? The "any circumstance" statement is wrong imo, especially considering how many horrible kinds of relationships one can be "cheating" from. there is no right situation. blaming hormones or "turning our brains off" are just excuses for poor self control and lack of decency. if you make a commitment to one person then honour your word. if the relationship is horrible, then break the relationship off and then meet someone else. you cant justify you being a dick because the relationship is bad.
I know far too many great people who have cheated to be that hateful about cheating.
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On September 11 2018 06:06 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2018 19:12 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 10 2018 17:57 Slydie wrote:On September 10 2018 16:45 Skew wrote: Cheating isn't acceptable under any circumstance. The only reason not to ghost the person and move on is that you can't do any better and/or you're incapable of getting anything else, which should be a defining moment in your life that you need to get it together. With hormones jumping all around , turning our brains off, I think almost all of us can end up cheating in the right situation. And what is cheating anyway? A one-night stand? A longtime sexual affair? A kiss? An emotional affair? An emotional relationship? Finding someone they rather would be with and dumping their current parner before or after going physical about it? The "any circumstance" statement is wrong imo, especially considering how many horrible kinds of relationships one can be "cheating" from. there is no right situation. blaming hormones or "turning our brains off" are just excuses for poor self control and lack of decency. if you make a commitment to one person then honour your word. if the relationship is horrible, then break the relationship off and then meet someone else. you cant justify you being a dick because the relationship is bad. I know far too many great people who have cheated to be that hateful about cheating.
I'm with "evilfatsh1t" here. That said, I think you can be a terrible person on one thing (relationships) and a good or great person on others, that's why I used the caveat "terrible in relationships". I do think many people end up "cheating" because they set themselves up for it. If you get drunk regularly at night clubs without your partner around, you are setting yourself up (If your partner does that, maybe you should be wary aswell). I personally follow the "Billy Graham Rule" to avoid such situations, even though it sound extremely ridiculous to anyone here.
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 09 2018 02:08 UCD2 wrote: This is gonna be a long rant and i just decided to do this on the spur. So sry for my broken english. BTW most of the conversation in the story are in another language so there might be some information that are lost in the translation but i will try my best.
If you guy have any input on this please let me know cause I'm confuse and wasn't sure if i read all the sign correctly.
So there was this girl at work. Originally, she was in another department. However, my department and her was really close(kinda like a neighbor). We rarely interact with one another, but we know each other. I wasnt really interested in her back then(she also had a bf back then). Due to some circumstance, she was transfer to my department. So we started to get closer and begin to talk alot more (work and stuff). She was really cheerful and was really friendly with most people. She would ask me to visit a customer with her etc. She also kinda keep on talking about how she is now single. She also call me alot At some point I felt like she was flirting with me. She would crack some joke or give me some sign that she was interested in me.
Here are some example, (lot of this is in another language so I will do my best) we went on a lunch (with other coworker) and there was a couple playing like a dance game at the game center. The girl who was dancing kinda similar to her in term of shape (small). Then she say to me "you should look at that couple. Incase you have a girlfriend that small. Just like me, you would know how to treat your girlfriend."
Or one day after work she call me. So I ask her why did she call me (in a polite way since at the time I thought it was work related issue since my line of work kinda require me to work at home) She say "Nothing, just driving home from work and was feeling lonely. Just needed someone to chat."
I brought a new phone. She ask me for my phone then proceed to take a selfie of herself with my phone. Then she try to setup the picture to show up when she call me (which she didnt know how to do).
So of course I begin to flirt back and stuff. Usually i get a little giggle or a smile from her when we do this. After a while, I begin to fall for her now. The awkward me decide to ask her out for lunch on Saturday and she agree(at first I texted her(Tuesday eve) and ask her on the phone later(wednesday). Later, I know she went to a farewell party with her girlfriend (this friend let call her N which will come back up in the story later). Later almost midnight Friday she cancel the lunch and mention she need to take her mother somewhere. A little disappointed, but I just say okey. I wasnt too sure if that was a bad sign or not.(Now I felt like that just some sloppy excuse but I was still optimistic) Now come the next week, the plan was to ask her out again but I have my own stuff to do that week so I didnt. We continue to flirt and stuff. Then come the next next week she call me we have work related conversation (20%) and a bunch of other stuff of the conversation (80%). She say something along the line of "wanting someone to takecare* of her" (now the word takecare in my language could also meet treating someone for a meal or takecare as in taking care of the person) So I repond with "How about me?" and she said "That would be good too" then proceed to do the giggle move. (Fking women and their giggles how am I suppose to transition out of that) I just laugh it off.
Later at night I was planing to ask her out again but was a bit of a puss so I decided to do in the next morning. Anyway around that time there we have a grouptext on LINE(messenger app). Another coworker was joking with me and give me a really cheesy pickup line to use. (She was in this group too so she see my converstion with this dude) So I texted her the exact same pickup line the guy give me to her.
Before the next part I would have to revisit the N girl. At one point I was interested in N but she didnt really play along with my flirting at all. She also right out refuse to go out when I try asking her out. So the sign was clear that she didnt see me as a love interest and I quickly drop it. We were good coworker tho or at least I think we are.
Then this is where the problem start
The conversation went like this She: LOL She: This is me and not N Me : She gone now isnt she She: gone as in? Me : Im interested in you now (dunno how to translate this sentence properly but is was in a joking way) She: Really? She: Back then you were chasing after her Me : Wut u talking bout Me : You are much smarter and cuter She: LOL sweet talk Me : You look great at work today Me : fall for you (now that I look back this is so cheesy what was I thinking lol) some other stuff too lazy to try to translate but not that important She: But you use to like N didnt you She: That what the rumor said Me : What rumor? Me : Who the hell spread those rumor She: well I know a little bit Me : You for sure (she like to gossip a lot)
So at this point I begin to panic for no reason and try to steer the convestion back to getting with her. (only a few line of text after this)
She: Waste of time, lets be friend better LOL
Which really threw me off the bus. At this point Im at a lost as what in the actual fk just happen. After I settle down I kinda told myself that whatever its not like we really went out anyway and if that what she want I should respect it. After all, we are still co-worker and I also dont want to fk that up.
She no longer call me for no reason, I was still texting her about work related stuff and most converstation has been somewhat professional. We didnt see each other for about a week and a half (work related reason). Eventually, we meeted up I no longer show any interest in her and so does she until lunch. I teased her about her nail polish. Its like silver and really polish like galvanize steel which I never understand why would someone pick that color. So I goes "Did you just galvanized your nail to prevent rust or something? WHy the hell did you make it look like that" She paused for a bit and then respond She "So you would ask. So you would pay attention to me." Inside my head I was thinking "Fk not this again why the hell did you tell me to be your friend then do this sort of shit" of course i didnt say it. During lunch(with her and another coworker) she ask me to take a picture of her with my phone and then sent it to her. (Why does it have to be my phone?)
Later in the evening she has to go somewhere but she didnt bring her car with her. So I offer to give her a ride and she say ok. I was in a bit of a hurry and have to left while she was a little busy with work. Another person offer her a ride but she say it was ok she will be going with me. During the ride we have some chat but I didnt have to courage to bring the main topic up was a little uneventful actually. I think she flirt with me a lil but I dont know if Im too full of myself or not.
So come next day. This time she have to go to a meeting somewhere and there was a report that everyone has to turn in. It turn out this fking report that everyone have to do I was to be the sole expert on. She didnt know how to do it properly ask me to stay back and help her with it. She mention that she will probably be a little late and offer to treat me a meal and it is fine for me to refuse. Me still hoping for another chance and a free meal, tell her that I will wait for her after work. Eventually, she show up I show her the rope and was joking around the mood seem light. Afterward, we went out to dinner this time alone. We talk or rather she talk (Im the quiet guy and she the talkative one) alot. She talk about her hobby and family so on and so forth. I think it went pretty well. That night she texted me to pick her up the next morning since she have to do a check up on her car. The next day she and another of her friend (also my coworker) was having a chat she did flirt with me a little and we all also have lunch.
Now I have no fking idea what is going on. Is she still interest in me or not? Obviously I still want it to happen, but at the same time I dont what to make the relationship took a bad turn since at the end of the day she is my coworker. I dont want thing to be completely awkward in the work place. Any advice.
Edit: found some typo but fk it im too lazy now
A quick update for my situation. After a while, it seem like she did lose interest in me. It didn't felt that great to be honest when the reality struck me. I think I will get over it though. The good part is that our professional relationship still remain intact.
Initially, I also felt like she was using me. But I guess I was too afraid to accept the truth. After a couple of you guys point it out, I was able to accept the truth.I didn't know that venting out on this forum really help with my personal feeling. I was pretty stress out when I made my first post. I guess having people respond and give advice really help. So thank you to all that did respond to my problem.
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Went on two dates yesterday.
Met the first girl directly after work. Met her up by the subway, went past my newly bought apartment and dropped off my bag. After that we went for a fairly long walk, maybe 1.5 hour. She wasn't really my type, she was talking A LOT and really fast though, so it was still enjoyable. I could have continued with the date bringing her home afterwards I think, but I had already planned a second date so I cut it short.
I met the second girl like an hour after the first one. Met her up at outside her hostel. First girl I've met who wasn't from Sweden, she was visiting from Canada. Apparently it was her first time leaving the country. We walked a bit until we stopped for drinks at a bar. Talked for a 2-3 hours, then I walked her back as her friend was arriving. Awesome girl, beautiful, intelligent, talkative. Too bad she wasn't Swedish, definitely someone I could have fallen for otherwise.
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