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On September 22 2011 13:05 OpTicalRH wrote:
I'm not talking about Troy Davis' case here.
I do not want to be spending a single penny to feed and sleep those rapists and murders.
Let them put to death, do you think you can stand when one of your family members was raped or killed while the criminal is still breathing and bragging about his "achievement"?
The argument what family members might think is so irrelevant. There is a reason why the judges are supposed to be neutral otherwise we live in the middle-ages again...
So many people seem to still favor that whole eye for an eye thing.
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I never agree with the death penalty event for the most horrible criminals. I don't mind if an "accident" happens (not in this case) in very extreme cases.
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Another appalling miscarriage of justice in my country. A while back, Justice Scalia said that if a clearly innocent man was ever executed in the US, than people would be shouting it from the rooftops, and the death penalty would presumably be removed.
Now that we've executed a demonstrably innocent man; Cameron Todd Willingham, and countless others like Troy Davis for whom there is more reasonable doubt than proof, and are about to execute another demonstrably innocent man; Larry Ray Swearingen, it's a massive scandal that we keep moving on like there's nothing wrong.
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it makes me sad to see how many people seem to favour death penalty. its like we didnt learn anything out of our past... once again...
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I can't believe they did it.
I mean.. two 20 years old visual proof send you to death penalty ? Can't believe modern countries can still do that.
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On September 22 2011 17:26 Odal wrote:
Why is it that people care more about punishment and revenge than they do about rehabilitation and curing obvious mental illnesses?
Because murder leads to hate. Hate for being deprived of any future time with the dead individual(s). Logic goes out the window when murder occurs because it is seen as so evil and vile that it shocks people to their cores.
If by obvious mental illnesses you mean Antisocial Personality Disorder/Sociopathy/Psychopathy, then your statement about seeking a cure falls apart.
There is no cure for having no conscience. How can you help someone that understands morality, yet shows no remorse for immoral actions and seeks only selfish gain? He/she doesn't care that the person wronged had a family. This individual cares only for itself and little to nothing else.
"there is little evidence of a cure or any effective treatment for psychopathy; no medications can instill empathy, and psychopaths who undergo traditional talk therapy might become more adept at manipulating others and more likely to commit crime." - Treatment of psychopathy: A review of empirical findings". In Patrick, Christopher. Handbook of Psychopathy.
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On September 22 2011 11:11 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I think the death penalty is good. Some sick fuckers do not deserve to live.
The penalty should be reserved for societies worst criminals. The kind of people who kill with-out remorse and abduct, rape and terrorize humans.
The person from the article is one of the people I do not think should be facing the death penalty.
Death penalty is the easy way out if you killed a bunch of people.
I would much rather be dead then sit in a prison cell 23 hours a day for 50+ years.
edit: Why do you think most terrorists or serial killers end up comitting suicide when they are about to get caught?
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On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ?
There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it.
Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same.
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"MacPhail was shot dead in July 1989 as he tried to help a homeless man who was being attacked in a Burger King car park."
RIP the policeman
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On September 22 2011 17:50 BlaCha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ? There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it. Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same.
Sounds like something I'd hear a thousand years ago, when you set such low standards for justice you simply turn it into revenge.
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On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
You can flip this over as well. If the state doesn't execute the killers than sooner or later one of them will kill again even after going through rehabilitation.
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On September 22 2011 17:50 BlaCha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ? There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it. Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same.
An eye for an eye?
This is a really fucked up thing to think really...
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On September 22 2011 11:15 Yuriegh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 11:11 Orcasgt24 wrote:
I think the death penalty is good. Some sick fuckers do not deserve to live.
The penalty should be reserved for societies worst criminals. The kind of people who kill with-out remorse and abduct, rape and terrorize humans.
The person from the article is one of the people I do not think should be facing the death penalty. Plus the fact that without the Death penalty that means they have life in prison so they get to have a free meal and shelter all at taxpayers expense. Yay! I want to help a killer live by paying for his food! edit: however on this guy I don't know if he did it or not
Because living in a confined space and having no freedom is appealing. -____-
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On September 22 2011 10:59 Megatronn wrote:
If you take the life of another person and it's not an accident you should have to give your own life. I don't why everyone thinks that's so weird.
Why?
You're basing that statement on nothing but your own beliefs.
I can make the statement "No one should ever have the rights to take another's life regardless of what that person did"
How is your statement more valid than mine?
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On September 22 2011 17:51 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 17:50 BlaCha wrote:On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ? There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it. Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same. Sounds like something I'd hear a thousand years ago, when you set such low standards for justice you simply turn it into revenge.
I wonder how would You see the standards of justice system if You'd lose someone close and killer would get 15 years of resocialization in nice jail cell with satellite TV on your cost.. and he's laughing You in the face.
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On September 22 2011 17:52 craz3d wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
You can flip this over as well. If the state doesn't execute the killers than sooner or later one of them will kill again even after going through rehabilitation.
How do you know?
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On September 22 2011 18:00 BlaCha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 17:51 Serpico wrote:On September 22 2011 17:50 BlaCha wrote:On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ? There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it. Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same. Sounds like something I'd hear a thousand years ago, when you set such low standards for justice you simply turn it into revenge. I wonder how would You see the standards of justice system if You'd lose someone close and killer would get 15 years of resocialization in nice jail cell with satellite TV on your cost.. and he's laughing You in the face.
I wouldnt mentally collapse and completely throw away all of my beliefs just to murder someone.
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The execution shows me that the American Justice System and that of Iran have a lot in common. In one country you get executed because of your political opinion, in the other your skin color is enough to determine if your guilty or not. There's no evidence except some whacky "witnesses" where some say that they've been bullied by the police and 7 out of 9 revamped their statement.
And if you look at it from a neutral point of view it's true, maybe provocative but not a lie. If Troy Davis would have been white, he wouldn't be executed.
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On September 22 2011 18:00 BlaCha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 17:51 Serpico wrote:On September 22 2011 17:50 BlaCha wrote:On September 22 2011 10:39 Supert0fu wrote:
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The case brings up serious questions about the morality of the death penalty and the American legal system as a whole. I personally believe that if you have enough cases involving murder that a jury is bound to make a mistake which means that the state will kill an innocent person.
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And tell me how many innocent people has been murdered and killers are walking free ? There are always some mistakes involved, no matter what You're doing, but that's not the reason to stop doing it. Of course, death penalty is really controversial but I for one see it simply... if You kill someone who has done You no harm with cold blood, You deserve to suffer the same. Sounds like something I'd hear a thousand years ago, when you set such low standards for justice you simply turn it into revenge. I wonder how would You see the standards of justice system if You'd lose someone close and killer would get 15 years of resocialization in nice jail cell with satellite TV on your cost.. and he's laughing You in the face.
It's not important what the victim or the victims relatives think about the crime, that's why we have judges, so that people judge who are not involved and have a neutral view on the crime.
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reasonable doubt = the man is free, wtf are they doing
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