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Why is it sexist to unilaterally treat women with the same severity all other internet inhabitants get to endure but not sexist (defining sexist as "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles") to coddle them?
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On September 18 2011 07:24 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:17 Chargelot wrote:On September 18 2011 07:11 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
1) This article didn't actually denigrate day9, although it misquoted a paraphrased sentiment of his. The problem is, that many twists can turn anything into anything. Misquoting a paraphrased sentiment is roughly the equivalent of combining random words into a completely incoherent sentence. Sentiment: I believe the holocaust was a grave error in judgement by the Nazis. They should have assumed genocide would piss off a lot of people.
Paraphrased sentiment: Nazis were stupid.
Misquoted paraphrased sentiment: Nazis weren't stupid. You see how quickly that went awry, right? we have diff definitions, misquote = taken out of context, paraphrased sentiment = day9 mad at this girl for poking fun at him but knew what it was and related in charming little story agreed on your analysis of that. but i agree with what this article says, and because of that i believe that in this specific case (this article i agree with) in this specific context (driving in readers from all major gaming areas on the internet--a realm of immense volume where the only way to get headlines is to at least appear sensational) is completely justifiable and ethical
Misquote
noun /misˈkwōt/
A passage or remark quoted inaccurately
inaccurate
adjective /ɪnˈæ.kjʊ.ɹət/
Not accurate; incorrect
Incorrect
adjective /ˌɪnkəˈɹɛkt/
- Not correct; erroneous or wrong.
- Faulty or defective.
- Inappropriate or improper.
It isn't a misquote if it is taken out of context.
It's a quote taken out of context.
This, however, had a completely incorrect quote, to which even the sentiment was completely wrong.
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Among gamers and generally nerds on the internet you will not only find a lot of sexist, but also homophobic and racist stuff.
Its basically rooted in people taking advantage of internet anonymity. And it reflects the demographic (young white males) that nerds mainly consist of.
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On September 18 2011 07:30 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:29 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. thats great. im glad you have fun with it, im glad they do. i like the fact you have a positive experience from this. but, i would like to point out, this is your personal experience. in mine, the community is actually really sexist. i belong to a video game club on campus where i cant believe some of the shit they say when female members arent around. this article has identified and contextualized a problem which exists and warrants exposure. you can hate my idea, you can think it an utter waste of time, but dont hate people So women need special treatment, and the presence of a woman should mean EVERYBODY ELSE has to adjust their behaviour? sounds like preferential treatment based on gender. Get out lol.
He didn't say anything of the sort. He's saying people should be less sexist in general, not put on a non-sexist face when girls are around.
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On September 18 2011 07:27 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:25 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:20 Chargelot wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. ... So purposely misquoting someone for more viewers isn't crappy journalism? Give me a break. he didn't insult him. he used that quote out of context to get us to read the article, where he reccomended day9 but exposed latent beliefs we aren't aware of which can help us move forward as a community He didnt expose latent beliefs, he fabricated an insult to try to prove a point that doesnt actually exist.
i realized two things about myself and this article.
1) i believed that my gf should enjoy sc because i do so much. i also believed there was something wrong with her if she didnt take the same value out of it as me.
2) i expected her to make sacrifices on behalf of belief #1.
now i had been unconsciously fighting against these and going against them to my own chagrin and it has been causing tension
those are my latent beliefs he exposed. if he didnt for you, either i read more critically or you are a better man than i. both are equally possible
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On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw.
Sooooo. He lied. And on purpose too. And you think this is GOOD journalism. I'd hate to see what you think bad journalism looks like. His point could have been made (and I read the article and disagree with his point) without telling lies. It shows a lack of character and personally it puts a sour taste in my mouth any time they try to make a point, whether it is good or not. I'll always be wondering if the "facts" they use to prove their point or represent their argument are not just another case of "good" journalism.
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On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off.
Let's face it: because of teamliquid and things like that, sc2 is probably one of the nicest, most awesome communities out there. I'm not really speaking against other gaming communities because I don't have much experience outside sc2, but don't assume that other gaming communities are as awesome.
But yes, THIS community is great.
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On September 18 2011 07:33 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:30 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:29 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. thats great. im glad you have fun with it, im glad they do. i like the fact you have a positive experience from this. but, i would like to point out, this is your personal experience. in mine, the community is actually really sexist. i belong to a video game club on campus where i cant believe some of the shit they say when female members arent around. this article has identified and contextualized a problem which exists and warrants exposure. you can hate my idea, you can think it an utter waste of time, but dont hate people So women need special treatment, and the presence of a woman should mean EVERYBODY ELSE has to adjust their behaviour? sounds like preferential treatment based on gender. Get out lol. He didn't say anything of the sort. He's saying people should be less sexist in general, not put on a non-sexist face when girls are around.
But he's misrepresenting the group he's talking about. These people aren't being sexist.
I'm sorry, but you're being allowed waaay too much wiggle room in these discussions, people have even stopped arguing with you about whether or not they are sexist now, whilst trying to deal with the other nonsense people keep bringing up to bash normal people.
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On September 18 2011 07:32 Chargelot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:24 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:17 Chargelot wrote:On September 18 2011 07:11 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
1) This article didn't actually denigrate day9, although it misquoted a paraphrased sentiment of his. The problem is, that many twists can turn anything into anything. Misquoting a paraphrased sentiment is roughly the equivalent of combining random words into a completely incoherent sentence. Sentiment: I believe the holocaust was a grave error in judgement by the Nazis. They should have assumed genocide would piss off a lot of people.
Paraphrased sentiment: Nazis were stupid.
Misquoted paraphrased sentiment: Nazis weren't stupid. You see how quickly that went awry, right? we have diff definitions, misquote = taken out of context, paraphrased sentiment = day9 mad at this girl for poking fun at him but knew what it was and related in charming little story agreed on your analysis of that. but i agree with what this article says, and because of that i believe that in this specific case (this article i agree with) in this specific context (driving in readers from all major gaming areas on the internet--a realm of immense volume where the only way to get headlines is to at least appear sensational) is completely justifiable and ethical Misquote noun /misˈkwōt/ A passage or remark quoted inaccurately inaccurate adjective /ɪnˈæ.kjʊ.ɹət/Not accurate; incorrect Incorrect adjective /ˌɪnkəˈɹɛkt/- Not correct; erroneous or wrong.
- Faulty or defective.
- Inappropriate or improper.
It isn't a misquote if it is taken out of context. It's a quote taken out of context. This, however, had a completely incorrect quote, to which even the sentiment was completely wrong.
im not contesting your accuracy or logic, i was defining my definitions.
just want to communicate how i feel about this because on this issue i believe its a voice not often heard and any civil debate either strengthens existing beliefs or gets rid of flawed ones
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On September 18 2011 07:30 maahes`ra wrote:
Why is it sexist to unilaterally treat women with the same severity all other internet inhabitants get to endure but not sexist (defining sexist as "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles") to coddle them?
Are you actually implying that women on the internet get treated the same as men?
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On September 18 2011 07:35 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:33 imallinson wrote:On September 18 2011 07:30 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:29 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. thats great. im glad you have fun with it, im glad they do. i like the fact you have a positive experience from this. but, i would like to point out, this is your personal experience. in mine, the community is actually really sexist. i belong to a video game club on campus where i cant believe some of the shit they say when female members arent around. this article has identified and contextualized a problem which exists and warrants exposure. you can hate my idea, you can think it an utter waste of time, but dont hate people So women need special treatment, and the presence of a woman should mean EVERYBODY ELSE has to adjust their behaviour? sounds like preferential treatment based on gender. Get out lol. He didn't say anything of the sort. He's saying people should be less sexist in general, not put on a non-sexist face when girls are around. But he's misrepresenting the group he's talking about. These people aren't being sexist. I'm sorry, but you're being allowed waaay too much wiggle room in these discussions, people have even stopped arguing with you about whether or not they are sexist now, whilst trying to deal with the other nonsense people keep bringing up to bash normal people.
How exactly are they not being sexist, saying horrible things about female gamers behind their backs is fairly sexist no matter how much you want it not to be.
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On September 18 2011 07:36 Biochemist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:30 maahes`ra wrote:
Why is it sexist to unilaterally treat women with the same severity all other internet inhabitants get to endure but not sexist (defining sexist as "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles") to coddle them? Are you actually implying that women on the internet get treated the same as men?
If they don't blatantly point out that they are woman every chance they get, then yes, they do.
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On September 18 2011 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. Let's face it: because of teamliquid and things like that, sc2 is probably one of the nicest, most awesome communities out there. I'm not really speaking against other gaming communities because I don't have much experience outside sc2, but don't assume that other gaming communities are as awesome.
I'm not assuming things about any other community. I'm trying to discuss our community, since this is TL, and the article involved day9.
It's a shame the white-knight phenomena exists, because i'm sure it's the only thing giving these "discussions" any legs
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On September 18 2011 07:34 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Sooooo. He lied. And on purpose too. And you think this is GOOD journalism. I'd hate to see what you think bad journalism looks like. His point could have been made (and I read the article and disagree with his point) without telling lies. It shows a lack of character and personally it puts a sour taste in my mouth any time they try to make a point, whether it is good or not. I'll always be wondering if the "facts" they use to prove their point or represent their argument are not just another case of "good" journalism.
bad journalism is libelous, unethical, misleading, and damaging to community.
this is none of that. this is a different point of view stressing us to examine our own beliefs, see if they're flawed or not and improve the community. i was angry when i saw that quote too, but after i read the rest of it its obvious what his appeal was. nothing about this is "bad" journalism, and while i dont agree with the means in all cases in this specific one it justified and necessary
this author overtly put everything out there
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On September 18 2011 07:25 KurtistheTurtle wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:20 Chargelot wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. ... So purposely misquoting someone for more viewers isn't crappy journalism? Give me a break. he didn't insult him. he used that quote out of context to get us to read the article, where he reccomended day9 but exposed latent beliefs we aren't aware of which can help us move forward as a community
The problem is: It was no quote. End of discussion.
There was no "misinterpretation of what he [day9] said". A quote is something what a person says - not what one thinks what a person meant.
And making up a false statement and masking it as a quote is no "good journalism". Right of reply (sic?) is part of the law and exists for a reason.
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On September 18 2011 07:38 Giant Squid Thing wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:35 DoubleReed wrote:On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. Let's face it: because of teamliquid and things like that, sc2 is probably one of the nicest, most awesome communities out there. I'm not really speaking against other gaming communities because I don't have much experience outside sc2, but don't assume that other gaming communities are as awesome. I'm not assuming things about any other community. I'm trying to discuss our community, since this is TL, and the article involved day9. It's a shame the white-knight phenomena exists, because i'm sure it's the only thing giving these "discussions" any legs
in a general thread entitled "sexism in gaming culture"?
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On September 18 2011 07:38 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:36 Biochemist wrote:On September 18 2011 07:30 maahes`ra wrote:
Why is it sexist to unilaterally treat women with the same severity all other internet inhabitants get to endure but not sexist (defining sexist as "attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles") to coddle them? Are you actually implying that women on the internet get treated the same as men? If they don't blatantly point out that they are woman every chance they get, then yes, they do.
It's if they don't point it out at all that they get treated normally, because other gamers assume that they are male.
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On September 18 2011 07:37 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:35 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:33 imallinson wrote:On September 18 2011 07:30 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:29 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:25 Giant Squid Thing wrote:On September 18 2011 07:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 07:08 Smackzilla wrote:On September 18 2011 00:26 Cel.erity wrote:
I'd just like to remind everyone that this is a very long article which has very little to do with Day9, and a lot to do with our gaming culture in general, and you can't invalidate the entire piece of work just based on one example of sloppy journalism. Guaranteed that if one person e-mailed the editor of SCG, that quote would get removed and Geordie would apologize for it, so stop making such a fuss. Sorry, accident or not, it is a big deal. The writer took a well-respected person from the e-sports community and held them up as an example of sexism in gaming by attributing a quote to Day9 that he never actually said. Its rotten "journalism" and the writer should apologize. no it didn't. it didn't denigrate him. it actually reccomended him. it took a sentiment of his paraphrased out of context to draw in more viewers. this isn't rotten journalism, this is a man using the highest skills of his craft to spread a message he believes worthwhile. i agree with him. please, read it again (or more likely the first time), and imagine you have a gf who fights for/with you over sc. imagine you were showing your mom this community in the raw. Idiot.... My wife plays sc2, and my mother plays (gold league lol) Both have not had a single negative experience out of the sc2 community, or at least no single negative experience because they are female. You're just trying to create issues that don't exist. This community is great, the only people who seem to bash it are the nobodies who don't care to put in any effort to get noticed, rather rely on sensationalising titles, being purposefully stupid, or taking their clothes off. thats great. im glad you have fun with it, im glad they do. i like the fact you have a positive experience from this. but, i would like to point out, this is your personal experience. in mine, the community is actually really sexist. i belong to a video game club on campus where i cant believe some of the shit they say when female members arent around. this article has identified and contextualized a problem which exists and warrants exposure. you can hate my idea, you can think it an utter waste of time, but dont hate people So women need special treatment, and the presence of a woman should mean EVERYBODY ELSE has to adjust their behaviour? sounds like preferential treatment based on gender. Get out lol. He didn't say anything of the sort. He's saying people should be less sexist in general, not put on a non-sexist face when girls are around. But he's misrepresenting the group he's talking about. These people aren't being sexist. I'm sorry, but you're being allowed waaay too much wiggle room in these discussions, people have even stopped arguing with you about whether or not they are sexist now, whilst trying to deal with the other nonsense people keep bringing up to bash normal people. How exactly are they not being sexist, saying horrible things about female gamers behind their backs is fairly sexist no matter how much you want it not to be.
Take the word "female" out of your sentence.
Oh guess what, that's exactly what people do in all walks of life all the time.
You're misconstruing normal behaviours as sexist for your own gratification.
Stop it.
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okay, i want to comment on this subject with a quote: "inject, bitch!" Psystarcraft
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