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Rubber
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States150 Posts
September 26 2011 00:27 GMT
#901
I'm tired of hearing of hearing guys say "hey man, sex sells!" as a way to rationalize certain portrayals of females in media. As if that line alone makes everything forgivable....
"DONT TOUCH ME WITH THAT @#$%ING PROBE." User was probed for this post.
Estel
Profile Joined October 2010
33 Posts
September 26 2011 00:42 GMT
#902
On September 22 2011 08:57 DoubleReed wrote:
Day9 was horribly misquoted. What Day9 says is "Seriously, 'gg', it's a sign of resignation and respect... you young bitch." And the misquote is actually important because anyone looking at that can see that it is hypocritical humor. He's being disrespectful after the word "respect." That's the whole point of the joke. If he had quoted him accurately, it wouldn't look bad for Sean at all.


Hm. Well, I suppose that is misquoted.

Still, the author's intent was not to malign Day[9]; he does, immediately after listing that quote, more or less say what a great guy Sean is.

I think the issue is the use of the gendered word 'bitch'.

But yeah, I concede there is a misquote. I wouldn't call it "horrible"; I don't think the misquote alters the terms of the debate.

I'm going to go take my temperature, I think I just admitted to being at fault... on the internet.
LXR
Profile Joined June 2011
357 Posts
September 26 2011 00:52 GMT
#903
lol this was a terrible move by this author. He should have known better to wrongfully sensationalize something day9 said. He just lost credibility and gained a thousand enemies in one fell swoop!
Wout
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands76 Posts
September 26 2011 01:08 GMT
#904
Honestly, I think this article is a pretty good read and makes many valid points. Don't hate on him, nobody's perfect, not even Sean.
Temporarykid
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada362 Posts
September 26 2011 01:13 GMT
#905
Haha, day9 would NEVER.
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askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
September 26 2011 01:21 GMT
#906
On September 26 2011 09:27 Rubber wrote:
I'm tired of hearing of hearing guys say "hey man, sex sells!" as a way to rationalize certain portrayals of females in media. As if that line alone makes everything forgivable....


it does sell and theres nothing wrong with it
hihihi
Soulriser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States192 Posts
September 26 2011 01:33 GMT
#907
i think that the word 'bitch' is taken out of its original context nowadays, so ive taken the liberty to find an alternative definition. this is the definition of "bitch" as written by Maddox:

Noun: Bitch (bich):

1) A miserable person who sucks all joy and happiness out of life, and makes life a little less worth living by his/her consistently shitty attitude. When not complaining, his/her drama and gossip will fill the void. He or she (but usually she) refuses to do something with a group, and will forego hanging out with said group unless they're doing something she wants to do. She will put her interest ahead of others every single time, just for the sake of being a bitch. A bitch hates fun.

"Hey guys, sorry we can't check out that cool new Brazilian restaurant, Janet is being a bitch."

2) A status you assume when you take one in the pooper while incarcerated.

3) What you become when you fail at pool, bowling, Quake, english, math, Street Fighter Alpha, etc.

4) Having a thankless job where you work lots of overtime without pay while your boss is on vacation.

5) Having to sit in the middle seat between two people in a car or plane.

6) Being last in line to get cake or ice cream at a party.

7) Crying and throwing a tantrum about something nobody gives a shit about, including you.

"I'm not going to give you $6 for my share of an $11 pizza when all I owe you is $5.50. I shouldn't have to pay extra, waaaaaah!"

8) Having a high opinion of your looks and a sense of entitlement when people compliment you. Your ego is usually punctuated with a "hottie" shirt, which makes you slightly less tolerable to be around than children, and slightly more tolerable to be around than a saucer of goat jizz.
awesomo0O
Profile Joined November 2010
Tuvalu59 Posts
September 26 2011 01:42 GMT
#908
I find it awesome that the gaming culture isnt bound to retarded political correctness. Some jokes and rly funny, but also sexist. Why would we deprive ourselves of these jokes its not like its meant to offend anyone...ppl take shit wayyy too seriously.
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
September 27 2011 13:23 GMT
#909
I'm surprised the article didn't mention the way gamers sometimes use the word "rape" to mean "defeat". Like, if some guy made nothing but marines and his opponent made 9 colossi, some might say "well that was complete and total one-sided rape". Personally, I find use of the word "rape" in that context to be quite offensive, and am surprised the article didn't touch on it.
Procrastination is the enemy
Holykitty
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands246 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 13:27:57
September 27 2011 13:27 GMT
#910
On September 26 2011 09:27 Rubber wrote:
I'm tired of hearing of hearing guys say "hey man, sex sells!" as a way to rationalize certain portrayals of females in media. As if that line alone makes everything forgivable....


sex sells is nothing to do with sexism, male perfume ads have men in no clothes too.


On September 26 2011 10:08 Wout wrote:
Honestly, I think this article is a pretty good read and makes many valid points. Don't hate on him, nobody's perfect, not even Sean.



did you even read the thread? the quote isnt a quote, day9 never said that. makes the whole article invalid if they cant even write a quote
Where there's smoke, there's me
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
September 27 2011 16:18 GMT
#911
This article was terrible beyond words, and I couldn't read the whole thing.

He doesn’t like gamers generalising women, then goes ahead and says: “like most male gamers, [Day9] doesn't understand that gendered insults are wrong and off-putting to women.”. Way to generalise an individual you don’t personally know AND a massive group of people in the same sentence.

I kind of wish the OP didn't post this, because you're only helping spread bad journalism. There may be a genuine argument to be had, but only underneath all the crap the author injected into that article which needs to be removed before he can be taken seriously.
BluePanther
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2776 Posts
September 27 2011 16:27 GMT
#912
sue the asshole sean. sue him.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
September 27 2011 16:32 GMT
#913
On September 27 2011 22:27 Holykitty wrote:
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On September 26 2011 09:27 Rubber wrote:
I'm tired of hearing of hearing guys say "hey man, sex sells!" as a way to rationalize certain portrayals of females in media. As if that line alone makes everything forgivable....


sex sells is nothing to do with sexism, male perfume ads have men in no clothes too.


Show nested quote +
On September 26 2011 10:08 Wout wrote:
Honestly, I think this article is a pretty good read and makes many valid points. Don't hate on him, nobody's perfect, not even Sean.



did you even read the thread? the quote isnt a quote, day9 never said that. makes the whole article invalid if they cant even write a quote


Yes it is, Day9 did say that, just not in his 100th Daily or whatever.

That aside, that article is still dumb.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
September 27 2011 16:35 GMT
#914
GOOD GOD I STILL SEE PEOPLE BEING IGNORANT.

There is a link in the Mod edit on the top of the page. Click on it, Watch it, and see Day9 say "you young bitch" clear as day.

Please stop being so ignorant people.........

As for the topic, I really don't think I'm sexist because I use the word bitch. I'm not actually disrespectful to women, words are wind and people take too much from them.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
itstheTB
Profile Joined August 2011
61 Posts
October 04 2011 16:45 GMT
#915
On September 26 2011 09:18 cvlsfts wrote:
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On September 26 2011 02:55 itstheTB wrote:
On September 24 2011 00:01 buhhy wrote:
On September 23 2011 05:25 NewbieOne wrote:
What I see as sexism is gaming shows especially in RPGs. Female armours are so ridiculously skimpy that it's hard to assign any real protective value to them and other kinds of garments are also typically made to be sexually enticing rather than anything else. I particularly dislike that kind of thing, no matter that sometimes it may actually be pretty on some aesthetical level. Most of the time it's just gratuitous innuendo in visual form. I love seeing character models that feature normal, real clothes.

In fact, I find that approach to sexist in some way discriminating against men too. It objectifies women but it also perpetuates the stereotype that men are after one thing really, only.

Same as above refers to "booth babes" at game cons. I was a gaming journalist while at university and I often clashed with that.

I'm pleased to find that this kind of thing is minimal in SC2, close to absent. Feels so much more mature this way, too. Kudos to Blizzard.

IMHO nothing wrong with failing to pretend that you aren't surprised by a female being interested or successful in a male-dominated field or the other way round. Just express it with kindness. Reciprocally, be similarly kind to people who were just normal people and failed to be ubersensitive to your sensitivities.


Sex sells :/ Using attractive women to appeal to men has existed since... oh forever.

Since, about 15-20 years ago when USA started with the sexual revolution turning music videos into softcore porn, then the marketing generally took the same approach of commercializing sex.

Before that, women were dressed up. Ask your mother how things where when she was young.

Learn your history, before posting and making a fool out of yourself.


Hey guess what? Sex sells, and it sold.
http://idsgn.org/images/now-and-then-sex-still-sells/1960s.jpg (<mildly NSFW?)
It's perfectly normal analyzing it from a psychoanalytic point of view, where we are all driven by our not-so-socially-acceptable desires of the id. Which straight man isn't attracted to beautiful young women? Companies who aren't afraid to utilize that seem to be getting the upper edge, if you look at ads from big names like Dolce&Gabbana and Guess. Point is, the public, as individuals, like it, albeit how sexist or derogatory it is to the female population. And sex will keep on selling as long as testosterone flows through the veins of men.

About Day9's quote, I don't think it was meant to insult anyone at all. We all know that he's a perfectly respectful guy. : ) No need to overreact.

It obviously does sell... to certain people (like yourself).

Reading these comments on this page just makes me understand why some (or many) might have issues with women -_-
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
October 04 2011 16:50 GMT
#916
Please stop linking that article and giving that woman hits.
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