EPTOn September 20 2011 01:00 HereticSaint wrote:
Women don't fart either! It's amazing, isn't it?
Women don't fart either! It's amazing, isn't it?
They save it all up for when they fall asleep... I don't even want to talk about it...
Sexism in gaming culture - Page 44
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
They save it all up for when they fall asleep... I don't even want to talk about it... | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
If you get insulted, that's the point. If you're being insulted because the actual meaning conveys an insult that goes further than the state of the game, then you're not understanding me correctly. I think it's nicer for me to call you a name than to laming in game, which is a line I never want to cross. When noob is no longer a strong enough word to describe how bad you are, there's no choice but to get personal. Productive? Perhaps not. Relieves me of some rage? Possibly. Worthy of being silenced? Unless the programmers of the medium decides otherwise, it's up to me to decide. Why do I use this in game but not real life? Because I want immediate results in a situation where the characters surrounding me are ephemeral. I don't have time to have meetings and improve your behavior, I want you to hear me and respond. If it has the opposite effect of what I intended (gaming improvement), well you probably wouldn't have listened in the first place or not yet able to, but at least I feel better about the situation. For the online environment, it counts for something. | ||
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Cytokinesis
Canada330 Posts
That being said, I don't AGREE with the article, but there were some fantastic points. By the way, the Malcolm X quote was entirely relevant. It's a quote about institutions, not necessarily racism. I don't agree with his sexist claims, but I 100% agree with his assessment of these "gamer guys" who are nice and way better than that guy at the bar who "will beat her and not be as kind as me". That part of the article I feel was the most 'true'. As someone ingrained into these communities I see everyday how it works and I hate it so much. | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On September 19 2011 15:58 iCanada wrote: I never said the article was a witch hunt. That being said, I would argue that a lot of internet interactions are kind of witch hunts in general; two sides pointing fingers and exchanging ad hominems while sitting under a veil of confirmation bias. It is true that making someone aware of their poor behaviors is important, as both a teacher and avid gamer, it is very difficult to effectively do this on the internet because of the obvious anonymity. It creates a setting where people don't see consequences for their actions. Additionally, the lack of verbal tone and body language make it hard to infer the correct context of whatever is being said. Because of this, simply acting in the right way in the first place is much more effective because it gives an example of how if one acts correctly others are likely to respond as well as helps to show women looking to get into the gaming scene that not everyone is some slob who thinks poorly of them simply because they lack a penis. As much as negative experiences can turn people off of gaming, a single positive one can be enough to keep someone slogging through the mud that is the internets. Setting a positive example is awesome. I don't see why you can't also call people out for doing something wrong. You don't need everyone to magically change your mind, you need the culture to gradually shift. Unfortunately there is no quick fix. What the hell? How is it supposed to change if no one talks about it. Please reexamine your reasoning behind this statement. (Cue sarcastic argumentation a la "MLK probably should not have given any speeches or lead protests and just waited for things to change".) | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 21 2011 13:02 EatThePath wrote: Setting a positive example is awesome. I don't see why you can't also call people out for doing something wrong. What the hell? How is it supposed to change if no one talks about it. Please reexamine your reasoning behind this statement. (Cue sarcastic argumentation a la "MLK probably should not have given any speeches or lead protests and just waited for things to change".) Are you implying the civil rights movement happened overnight? lol | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 20 2011 02:29 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Someone please give me a list of words I can use that can alleviate me of rage. Really, the art of insults has become very very difficult. Used to be you can go online and call people nigger, faggot, dick, noob, bitch, pos, motherfucker, etc. I few months ago I start seeing baddie being used. I was amused - is that supposed to be insulting? These words are abrasive and mordant, and they are meant to be. They express an emotion, a state of mind. They are not meant to be an eloquent thesis of my intent and meanings, they are expletives there to convey just how pissed off I am relative to my OWN standard. If you get insulted, that's the point. If you're being insulted because the actual meaning conveys an insult that goes further than the state of the game, then you're not understanding me correctly. I think it's nicer for me to call you a name than to laming in game, which is a line I never want to cross. When noob is no longer a strong enough word to describe how bad you are, there's no choice but to get personal. Productive? Perhaps not. Relieves me of some rage? Possibly. Worthy of being silenced? Unless the programmers of the medium decides otherwise, it's up to me to decide. Why do I use this in game but not real life? Because I want immediate results in a situation where the characters surrounding me are ephemeral. I don't have time to have meetings and improve your behavior, I want you to hear me and respond. If it has the opposite effect of what I intended (gaming improvement), well you probably wouldn't have listened in the first place or not yet able to, but at least I feel better about the situation. For the online environment, it counts for something. unfortunately for you, the "programmers of the medium", aka blizzard, do have policy against ALL profranity and racial/ethnic slurs, slurs based on gender, etc. So there you have it. you might be seeing the backlash of a bigtime concerted effort of people reporting other people for that language just to screw with them and get them banned. See my sig below. I'm proud to say I had a hand in causing the numbers of people reporting others to grow hugely overnight, thanks to posting their policies in chat rooms in SC2 and explaining that if you don't like someone you can get them banned for language to screw with them. And this has the effect of playing exactly into the slippery slope of more restrictions in speech and behavior from game companies. Meh | ||
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jacen
Austria3644 Posts
It's actually that simple. Why would you write about it (well i guess she does it for money), why would you comment on her writing, why would you write a commentary article about the comments? This is a giant circlejerk of stereotyping. I am actually appaled that the thread has 40+ pages and everyone keeps arguing about such puny issues. There will always be people who are not compatible ... get over it. If you want something to rage against, or shame yourself, please join the discussion on rational thinking in the western world and it's enemies. That would actually be a worthy cause to invest your energy in. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On September 21 2011 17:35 Loodah wrote: Are you implying the civil rights movement happened overnight? lol Why would you assume that's what I meant?? That's obviously a stupid assertion. Now you've defrayed the focus of my post. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18008 Posts
now at the ripe old age of 24 and having completed a pretty tough post secondary education and now professionally employed i never speak in this manner. it is funny watching guys like DJ Wheat stuck in a protracted adolescence still continue to talk like this though. its like watching Ric Flair continue to be a pro wrestler at 55 years old. Most guys follow my path though. Basically most of the guys who have these word issues need to spend 50% of the social time with females in order to better balance their personalities. Also, if this were a problem that impacted "gamers" to their core then Red Alert 3 would've been an all time best seller and Starcraft2 would've fallen flat. The common marketing slogan "sex sells" did not apply in this case. The Blizzard theme of "game play first" sure did. | ||
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momonami5
United States109 Posts
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 21 2011 23:36 BleaK_ wrote: Please. Let this thread die. so you're saying sexism is not a problem and should be covered up? | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 22 2011 01:58 shammythefox wrote: I mean even if Sean actually did say that, which he didn't. The whole line was in the context of a joke, and i pity the man or woman who can't take the word bitch in a joke without some form of prejudice flung offence being proclaimed. he actually did say that, they've updated the link on top, probably with the proper timing, which is about 20 minutes in, to show you that he did in fact say it. | ||
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HereticSaint
United States240 Posts
On September 22 2011 01:51 Truedot wrote: so you're saying sexism is not a problem and should be covered up? You don't need to cover up things that aren't a problem, thinking a bit more before you post next would be ideal. It's almost as hilarious as when you were arrogant enough to think that you single handed greatly increased the rate at which people were banned in SC2 for behavior. If you think this thread is going to increase the amount of females that want to game you are wrong. If anything you'll chase off more females, partially due to the fact that a lot of females enjoy cursing too, if you disagree then you are sexist and partially for other reasons which I really hope I don't even need to illustrate. The article in the OP is a joke (Let's compare gamers to people who wear clown make-up and chuck bottles at peoples heads), the reason the article was made (a hateful article towards a person who played MTG professionally and had the arrogance to date someone?! OMG!) is a joke. So yes, this thread should die. | ||
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Truedot
444 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:33 HereticSaint wrote: You don't need to cover up things that aren't a problem, thinking a bit more before you post next would be ideal. It's almost as hilarious as when you were arrogant enough to think that you single handed greatly increased the rate at which people were banned in SC2 for behavior. If you think this thread is going to increase the amount of females that want to game you are wrong. If anything you'll chase off more females, partially due to the fact that a lot of females enjoy cursing too, if you disagree then you are sexist and partially for other reasons which I really hope I don't even need to illustrate. The article in the OP is a joke (Let's compare gamers to people who wear clown make-up and chuck bottles at peoples heads), the reason the article was made (a hateful article towards a person who played MTG professionally and had the arrogance to date someone?! OMG!) is a joke. So yes, this thread should die. I spent an entire week devoted to reporting people and listening to their QQ after they got banned. I did this publicly, and many trolls took my lead and went off and did the same thing. How does a meme start? one person uses it, it gains popularity in a small circle, it spreads, etc etc. good for you for completely eschewing logic and rational thought though. | ||
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SRopion
United States50 Posts
Dope dealing, pimpin, prostitution, now if you want to appeal to a crown, the crowd has seen some tough shit, everyone has notice how they mention drugs or metaphorically through it in there, sometimes in ads or on the actual cover art or name of the game etc.. Point is, sin sells. [sexism?] ... racist against girls.. well I mean whatever, can a guy make something beautiful and watch it dance and move around and control it? ;P | ||
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
Also wtf at the guy calling the US and Europe misogynistic, have you looked at the laws of western countries? They're as misandric as can be. | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 21 2011 22:32 EatThePath wrote: Why would you assume that's what I meant?? That's obviously a stupid assertion. Now you've defrayed the focus of my post. You were flaming someone for basically saying you have to take it slowly and the culture will change. That's how civil rights have progressed throughout history - very rarely do things happen quickly without a slow, deliberate process in the history of civil rights. | ||
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