Sexism in gaming culture - Page 43

On September 19 2011 14:12 iCanada wrote:


Sure, anyone can express that they feel something is offensive all they want.

To be clear, I don't agree with many things in the gaming industry; if I were to place myself on any given side of the issue i'd say that many gamers are unreasonable and demeaning to women, I would say that I don't enjoy having people scream words like bitch pussy or rape, and I would say that we need to stop treating girls who play games differently than we treat girls online the same we should treat everyone the same way online as we treat them in real life.

That being said, it is unreasonable to expect to change a culture by pointing at it and starting from a point of conflict. You aren't going to remove the male dominance from the gaming scene by telling the whole entire gaming scene they are insensitive misogynist assholes who don't know how to fairly treat a lady or have some kind of ridiculous bias against women.

Case in point, theoretically I agree with the author of the article however as I finished reading I felt stereotyped in with 1000s of people I don't agree with who overreacted to some girls unprofessional article.

On September 19 2011 14:28 Bubble-T wrote:

I understand that and I don't think the article was perfect, but it makes more sense to me when you consider that he's talking to a hypothetical daughter who will encounter that behaviour, a lot. I don't think Tait is trying to say that you, as a gamer, are a horrible person. He's trying to say that his daughter will encounter horrible behaviour from gamers.

This is a very, very difficult subject to broach - write too little and people will argue that you're blowing something out of proportion. Write too much (which maybe he did) and people won't even finish the article, single something out, and then act like you blew that out of proportion. Write in too academic a tone and a lot of gamers simply will not be able to understand it (see earlier posts where people think that quoting the dictionary definition of 'privilege' is some sort of masterstroke). Write it more conversationally and you'll be attacked for generalising and stereotyping too much. If you don't talk about your own behaviour you'll be holier-than-thou, if you criticise yourself as much as Geordie did you get shit for it too.

One of the main things Tait actually tried to get across in that article is that it's basically impossible to write something on this topic and not come across as trying to start a conflict because so many gamers simply do not want to hear it or attempt to understand.

Esports is very very misogynistic.

On September 19 2011 21:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
one of the things that stands out for me is the excessive use of the word "rape". its a bit over the top.

you'll notice as "video game pros" get older and get gfs ..... you'll notice they really start to lower the use of the word "rape".

Contasting this, the 17 year old "pros" that have never had a gf use the word all the time.

On September 19 2011 03:46 HereticSaint wrote:



America's prison population topped 2 million inmates for the first time in history on June 30, 2002 according to a new report from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS).

The 50 states, the District of Columbia and the federal government held 1,355,748 prisoners (two-thirds of the total incarcerated population), and local municipal and county jails held 665,475 inmates.

By midyear 2002, America's jails held 1 in every 142 U.S. residents. Males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,309 inmates per 100,000 U.S. men, while the female incarceration rate was 113 per 100,000 women residents.

Source: Source

Several studies argue that male-male prisoner rape, as well as female-female prisoner rape, might be the most common and least-reported forms of rape, with some studies suggesting such rapes are substantially more common in both per-capita and raw-number totals than male-female rapes in the general population.[2][15][16]

Research from the UK suggests that almost 3% of men reported a non-consensual sexual experience as adults and over 5% of men reported sexual abuse as a child.[17] This does not take into account the possibility of exaggeration or false reports nor of underreporting. Recognition of male on male rape in law has historically been limited; the first successful prosecution for attempted male on male rape in the UK was not until 1995.

Male on male rape has historically been shrouded in secrecy due to the stigma men associate with being raped by other men. According to psychologist Dr Sarah Crome fewer than one in ten male-male rapes are reported. As a group, male rape victims reported a lack of services and support, and legal systems are often ill equipped to deal with this type of crime.[18]

The rape of men by men has been documented as a weapon of terror in warfare.[19]

Statutory female-on-male rape

Several widely publicized cases of female-on-male statutory rape in the United States involved school teachers raping their underage students. (See e.g. Mary Kay Letourneau or Debra Lafave)

In the case of statutory rape, the victim can be legally bound to pay child support to his rapist.[20]
[edit] Non-statutory female-on-male rape

Much like female erectile response and contrary to popular opinion, male erectile response is involuntary,[21][22] meaning that a man need not consent mentally or physically for his penis to become erect and be placed in a woman's vagina. Penetration of a man by a woman is possible through use of a strap-on or other object. Rape of a man by a woman could also occur when limited sexual activities are agreed upon and a man's penis is placed in a woman in violation of the limits that had been set. Rape of a man by a woman is thus possible in several ways.

However, male victims of sexual abuse by females[23] often face social, political, and legal double standards.[24] While gender-neutral laws have combated the older perception that rape never occurs to men,[25] and other laws have eliminated the term altogether,[26] the double standards still remain. Due to these reasons, it is likely being substantially under-reported, with the probable cause being the double standard, or possibly shame.[27]

So, we learned that the most common form of rape is prison rape and it's generally unreported and that a majority of prisoners are male. Therefore we can deduce that a majority of rape is male on male rape and on the rare chance it's female on male rape and the female becomes pregnant the male can be at least in certain cases expected to pay child support. If anything overall rape seems much scarier to me, as a male.

Edit: Cleaned it up a bit.

If anything overall rape seems much scarier to me, as a male.

On September 19 2011 03:49 ChiffonAngel wrote:
It's real simple, people.

Take "sexism" out of it. It doesn't matter. No one is sexist now. Ok? Good.

Do you want more females around? If yes, try to be more mindful of the things you say. If no, keep doing what you're doing.

If you want a community to open up to cultural diversity, not pushing them away with your ugly language is a good place to start. It's offensive. It doesn't matter if *you* think it's offensive. "They" do. And "they" aren't going to want to be around you when you're offending them. "They will go do something else.

That's all there is. Plain. Simple. Real.

On September 20 2011 00:24 Kazius wrote:

I use the term "prison-rape", which implies (rather graphically) one man violently abusing another. Problem solved?

On September 20 2011 00:47 HereticSaint wrote:

When did this become a topic about not using profanity? What the hell is wrong with people?