On March 22 2012 02:12 forgottendreams wrote: I feel bad for the repubs laying low from all the shellacking going on lately
Honestly you can't get much worse then this nomination race, any good candidates stayed out for 2016 and the repubs probably hit their peak not long ago.Not only that but the party is facing an identity crisis as religion declines, gay marriage support is now the majority and environmental reform is becoming more accepted. It's probably all down hill from here with dems retaking the House in 2015 maybe. On the bright side if dems do sweep all houses it normally results with a strong dislike of the dominating party in a matter of a year so 2016 could turn out very good.
You're focusing on the wrong issues. This election isn't going to be about any of those items, which is why your analysis is all wrong. This election is going to be about economic and fiscal issues. Period. The problem for democrats is that they are very weak on these issues. Hell, they don't even have a plan for the country's fiscal issues, which is political lunacy as far as I am concerned.
Maybe you're the one focusing on the wrong issues? I know plenty of people who 6 months ago had no doubt in their mind they were going to be voting for the republican candidate whoever that ended up being, but now they have resigned themselves to the fact that they will be voting for Obama because all the other issues > economic issues to them. Just because lots of Republicans keep trying to say that this election is only going to be about economic issues doesn't mean that the rest of the country agrees with them, Republicans can't even keep their primaries about economic issues so what makes you think that they'll be able to keep it all about that in a national election when they're so weak in other areas that Democrats would have to be 100% clueless not to focus on those other areas?
You realize that all of the polls show fiscal and economic issues as being the most important, right? Democrats and Obama certainly will want to talk about social issues because they know that they're fucked on the economy right now.
Actually, anyone actually familiar with the issues and without partisan bias knows the policies of the Obama administration were the right way to go in the face of the economic crisis.
I can't tell the difference between Keynesians and the rest of the non-fringe/non-Austrian school economists.
You realize that all of the polls show fiscal and economic issues as being the most important, right?
If you have a link to something that shows Romney's plan for the budget I would greatly appreciate perusing it. Because at the moment it doesn't seem like he actually has one. Unless you are referring to the Paul Ryan plan, which is.... hilarious and sad
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edit: fixed my unhappy face
edit again: according to the washington post, none of the current candidates have accepted the Ryan budget. So, I would love to hear what their plans are!
You realize that all of the polls show fiscal and economic issues as being the most important, right?
If you have a link to something that shows Romney's plan for the budget I would greatly appreciate perusing it. Because at the moment it doesn't seem like he actually has one. Unless you are referring to the Paul Ryan plan, which is.... hilarious and sad
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edit: fixed my unhappy face
edit again: according to the washington post, none of the current candidates have accepted the Ryan budget. So, I would love to hear what their plans are!
The only presidential candidate who has openly promoted a plan to drastically slash the deficit is Ron Paul. None of the other candidates will touch it because 1) they don't have the balls, and 2) they know that democrats and the complicit media will demagogue the issue with bullshit like this.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
If pauls foreign policy wasn't abhorrent I think he would be a lot more prominent in this race. As it stands romney probably won't get enough states and we might see a resurgence of other candidates who try to get favor in the senate.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
I can't think of a single Republican president in my lifetime that did anything to lower the debt.
If you consider lip service and blowing smoke up your ass as being 'miles ahead' ...
Though some indicators have shown a little improvement, Americans don't feel the improvement yet.
there's still so much uncertainty in the market which makes growth relatively stagnant. Employers are waiting and holding their breath to see what happens over this election to figure out their next move, its been this way since Obamacare was passed.
[Citation Needed]
This is quite possibly one of the silliest, I just pulled this out of my ass and coincidentally it alligns perfectly with my political goal of getting Obama out of office economic theories I have ever seen someone unironically trying to pass off on to others.
You should write about this "world economy is bad because Obama" theory and try to get a Nobel Prize. All the nations of the world has to do to shake off the financial crisis and Great Recession is to repeal Obamacare in all of their countries and unelect Obama as their president, how simple.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
I can't think of a single Republican president in my lifetime that did anything to lower the debt.
If you consider lip service and blowing smoke up your ass as being 'miles ahead' ...
It still amazes me that Reagan is held in such high regarded, when his terms yielded both greater economic polarization and a much larger national debt, and he raised taxes 11 times. He cut taxes, then had a budget crisis and began raising them again to compensate.
Shit like that Eric Cantor CBS interview where him and his press sec. literally refused to admit that Reagan raised taxes are simply appalling. Aside from social issues, the arcs and themes of Reagan and Obama's term to this point are incredibly similar.
I'm with Romantic, that statement is basically gibberish. Employers are doing exactly what they do every election cycle. There's a large amount of uncertainty over whether they'll continue with their own plans, but that's not a crippling decision and it's not relevant to performance today. Statements like "Americans don't feel the improvements, yet" are simply meaningless and completely without evidence. Even major polling groups have a difficult time taking a national temperature on these things, and I severely doubt xDaunt has done any greater delving into the matter than they have. Some Americans haven't felt anything, some Americans have. You're literally dismissing statistics because of a feeling you have, based on your own... local engagement?
And don't bring up the inaccuracy of the unemployment rate and other indicators because we know they're inaccurate and have misleading titles. Since their introduction, they have almost always been massaged and manipulated in the same manner. Their purpose is in seeing improvements and declines, not judging an absolute value.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
I can't think of a single Republican president in my lifetime that did anything to lower the debt.
If you consider lip service and blowing smoke up your ass as being 'miles ahead' ...
The only reasons why there were balanced budgets during the Clinton years are 1) Clinton was as moderate as they come and fairly conservatively fiscally (and he bucked his own party), 2) there was a republican congress led by fiscal hawks.
But that's besides the point because it's history. Just look at the two parties as they stand now. One party has actually made numerous proposals to cut spending and put the country back on a saner fiscal track (even if those proposals don't go as far as I would like them to). The other party has offered nothing of substance on the topic other than talking about how the rich need to "pay their fair share," despite the fact that our fiscal issues are solely the result of overspending.
You realize that all of the polls show fiscal and economic issues as being the most important, right?
If you have a link to something that shows Romney's plan for the budget I would greatly appreciate perusing it. Because at the moment it doesn't seem like he actually has one. Unless you are referring to the Paul Ryan plan, which is.... hilarious and sad
:[
edit: fixed my unhappy face
edit again: according to the washington post, none of the current candidates have accepted the Ryan budget. So, I would love to hear what their plans are!
The only presidential candidate who has openly promoted a plan to drastically slash the deficit is Ron Paul. None of the other candidates will touch it because 1) they don't have the balls, and 2) they know that democrats and the complicit media will demagogue the issue with bullshit like this.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
Yeah, the democrats are the ones who refuse to attempt to rein in the debt problems, that's why Romney announced a plan to massively increase military spending over the next 5 years, because he's concerned about the debt. None of the candidates are interested in fixing it.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
I can't think of a single Republican president in my lifetime that did anything to lower the debt.
If you consider lip service and blowing smoke up your ass as being 'miles ahead' ...
It still amazes me that Reagan is held in such high regarded, when his terms yielded both greater economic polarization and a much larger national debt, and he raised taxes 11 times. He cut taxes, then had a budget crisis and began raising them again to compensate.
Shit like that Eric Cantor CBS interview where him and his press sec. literally refused to admit that Reagan raised taxes are simply appalling. Aside from social issues, the arcs and themes of Reagan and Obama's term to this point are incredibly similar.
I'm with Romantic, that statement is basically gibberish. Employers are doing exactly what they do every election cycle. There's a large amount of uncertainty over whether they'll continue with their own plans, but that's not a crippling decision and it's not relevant to performance today. Statements like "Americans don't feel the improvements, yet" are simply meaningless and completely without evidence. Even major polling groups have a difficult time taking a national temperature on these things, and I severely doubt xDaunt has done any greater delving into the matter than they have. Some Americans haven't felt anything, some Americans have. You're literally dismissing statistics because of a feeling you have, based on your own... local engagement?
And don't bring up the inaccuracy of the unemployment rate and other indicators because we know they're inaccurate and have misleading titles. Since their introduction, they have almost always been massaged and manipulated in the same manner. Their purpose is in seeing improvements and declines, not judging an absolute value.
So all of the polls out there that consistently show issues like "jobs" and the "economy" being at the forefront of the minds of American voters are meaningless? Did it occur to you that these issues would not be at the top of list if things were demonstrably improving?
More importantly, are you actually pretending that democrats and Obama aren't worried about the current state of the economy and how it is impacting their election bids? I sure hope not.
In what universe is balancing the budget not a major topic?
The only complaint is that they aren't taking their plan of choosing seriously.
So every republican and every conservative has to agree with their plan, or otherwise he isn't a real conservative/republican. Doesn't sound idiotic at all...
But honestly, the budget is one of the biggest topics. The only way you can say that "nobody is talking about it," is if you put your hands over your ears and scream "LALALA can't hear you."
Isn't Biden the real weapon when it comes to economic issues? He's the real powerhouse when it comes to appealing to middle income voters. He obviously did a lot better in Michigan than Romney.
the song at the end, I dedicate to Zalz and DeepElemBlues
This video is exactly what the tea party used to be all about.
The tea party element of the republican party is still out there. The problem is that they don't identify with any of the candidates. They'll be more motivated when the primary is over.
You realize that all of the polls show fiscal and economic issues as being the most important, right?
If you have a link to something that shows Romney's plan for the budget I would greatly appreciate perusing it. Because at the moment it doesn't seem like he actually has one. Unless you are referring to the Paul Ryan plan, which is.... hilarious and sad
:[
edit: fixed my unhappy face
edit again: according to the washington post, none of the current candidates have accepted the Ryan budget. So, I would love to hear what their plans are!
The only presidential candidate who has openly promoted a plan to drastically slash the deficit is Ron Paul. None of the other candidates will touch it because 1) they don't have the balls, and 2) they know that democrats and the complicit media will demagogue the issue with bullshit like this.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
Wouldn't the person that doesn't have any responsibility at all and no plan of what he would do once he obtains that responsibility be the person refusing to make an attempt?
Have you actually read what Ryan's plan does? Fuck the politics he's a handsome guy but seriously it seems a tiny bit extreme. And the opposite* of what little specifics Romney has laid out, especially concerning military spending. Which strikes me as strange, because a party that's about to nominate someone for president whose plan is completely at odds with all the members in of the same party in the senate seems like something crazy people would do.
edit: *not actually the opposite, but just less defense spending. Still, the two do not jive. Unless I'm missing somewhere that Romney has said he would gut welfare, unemployment, transportation, VA benefits, and the FDA. Then sure, they on the same page.
Though some indicators have shown a little improvement, Americans don't feel the improvement yet.
there's still so much uncertainty in the market which makes growth relatively stagnant. Employers are waiting and holding their breath to see what happens over this election to figure out their next move, its been this way since Obamacare was passed.
[Citation Needed]
This is quite possibly one of the silliest, I just pulled this out of my ass and coincidentally it alligns perfectly with my political goal of getting Obama out of office economic theories I have ever seen someone unironically trying to pass off on to others.
You should write about this "world economy is bad because Obama" theory and try to get a Nobel Prize. All the nations of the world has to do to shake off the financial crisis and Great Recession is to repeal Obamacare in all of their countries and unelect Obama as their president, how simple.
You can't be this out of it. Just give it some thought for 10 seconds from the perspective of anyone who owns a business. Right now this country is on the brink of enacting a policy that directly impacts one of the most costly expenditures for anyone, healthcare. For many businesses, they take responsibility for the health coverage of the employees as an incentive to get competent people to work for them. Right now that mandate almost certainly depends on whether or not Obama get re-elected. That's why people are sitting on their assets, waiting to see what will happen.
This is only one of the many variable of why the market is volatile right now (we're still recovering from the housing bubble) but it's big variable because healthcare is such a huge part of the budget for everyone.
Posts like the one you've made really infuriate me. It seems people here would rather jump to extreme conclusions instead of thinking about what I'm trying to convey. Do I really think Obamacare is the only reason people aren't hiring? Of course not, there's much more too it than that but it sure as shit isn't helping people get hired.
I shouldn't have to cite common sense because you're incapable of deducing obvious things yourself. 1 minute of a solid thought process, and I'm sure you could've drawn the same conclusions I have, minus all of the extraneous details that play much smaller roles and are better analyzed by people with more background in the field than either you or me have. Think for once in your life and stop asking for sources for everything, believe it or not, most successful people in life utilize common sense in their decision making processes. These successful people are the ones that are going to get the economy out of the shitter.
Your condescending, holier-than-thou attitude is completely uncalled for, and makes this place a terrible place for debate when you sneer at the opinions of others and talk down to them in satire. I'll make you a deal, you stop being a condescending ass, and I will too ok, I'm more than happy to talk about the issues when people actually address what I bring up instead of simply assuming the worst and insulting me. If you don't want to take that route,well two can play at that game.
Believe me, I'll freely admit that the republicans are less than perfect on fiscal issues. In fact, they're often downright horrible. However, as bad as they are, they are still miles ahead of democrats who universally refuse to even make an attempt to rein in our debt problems.
I can't think of a single Republican president in my lifetime that did anything to lower the debt.
If you consider lip service and blowing smoke up your ass as being 'miles ahead' ...
It still amazes me that Reagan is held in such high regarded, when his terms yielded both greater economic polarization and a much larger national debt, and he raised taxes 11 times. He cut taxes, then had a budget crisis and began raising them again to compensate.
Shit like that Eric Cantor CBS interview where him and his press sec. literally refused to admit that Reagan raised taxes are simply appalling. Aside from social issues, the arcs and themes of Reagan and Obama's term to this point are incredibly similar.
I'm with Romantic, that statement is basically gibberish. Employers are doing exactly what they do every election cycle. There's a large amount of uncertainty over whether they'll continue with their own plans, but that's not a crippling decision and it's not relevant to performance today. Statements like "Americans don't feel the improvements, yet" are simply meaningless and completely without evidence. Even major polling groups have a difficult time taking a national temperature on these things, and I severely doubt xDaunt has done any greater delving into the matter than they have. Some Americans haven't felt anything, some Americans have. You're literally dismissing statistics because of a feeling you have, based on your own... local engagement?
And don't bring up the inaccuracy of the unemployment rate and other indicators because we know they're inaccurate and have misleading titles. Since their introduction, they have almost always been massaged and manipulated in the same manner. Their purpose is in seeing improvements and declines, not judging an absolute value.
So all of the polls out there that consistently show issues like "jobs" and the "economy" being at the forefront of the minds of American voters are meaningless? Did it occur to you that these issues would not be at the top of list if things were demonstrably improving?
More importantly, are you actually pretending that democrats and Obama aren't worried about the current state of the economy and how it is impacting their election bids? I sure hope not.
Jobs being important and "Americans don't feel the improvement" are completely separate. How can you not see that one doesn't necessarily follow from the other?
A recently jobless person who now has a job will still consider jobs to be important. I mean, I'm in one of the most desperate States there is (Michigan) and my perspective on the state of the economy, through observing and talking to people, is opposed to yours. Since you're not using any proof, all there is is your word versus mine.
Though some indicators have shown a little improvement, Americans don't feel the improvement yet.
there's still so much uncertainty in the market which makes growth relatively stagnant. Employers are waiting and holding their breath to see what happens over this election to figure out their next move, its been this way since Obamacare was passed.
[Citation Needed]
This is quite possibly one of the silliest, I just pulled this out of my ass and coincidentally it alligns perfectly with my political goal of getting Obama out of office economic theories I have ever seen someone unironically trying to pass off on to others.
You should write about this "world economy is bad because Obama" theory and try to get a Nobel Prize. All the nations of the world has to do to shake off the financial crisis and Great Recession is to repeal Obamacare in all of their countries and unelect Obama as their president, how simple.
You can't be this out of it. Just give it some thought for 10 seconds from the perspective of anyone who owns a business. Right now this country is on the brink of enacting a policy that directly impacts one of the most costly expenditures for anyone, healthcare. For many businesses, they take responsibility for the health coverage of the employees as an incentive to get competent people to work for them. Right now that mandate almost certainly depends on whether or not Obama get re-elected. That's why people are sitting on their assets, waiting to see what will happen.
This is only one of the many variable of why the market is volatile right now (we're still recovering from the housing bubble) but it's big variable because healthcare is such a huge part of the budget for everyone.
Posts like the one you've made really infuriate me. It seems people here would rather jump to extreme conclusions instead of thinking about what I'm trying to convey. Do I really think Obamacare is the only reason people aren't hiring? Of course not, there's much more too it than that but it sure as shit isn't helping people get hired.
I shouldn't have to cite common sense because you're incapable of deducing obvious things yourself. 1 minute of a solid thought process, and I'm sure you could've drawn the same conclusions I have, minus all of the extraneous details that play much smaller roles and are better analyzed by people with more background in the field than either you or me have. Think for once in your life and stop asking for sources for everything, believe it or not, most successful people in life utilize common sense in their decision making processes. These successful people are the ones that are going to get the economy out of the shitter.
Your condescending, holier-than-thou attitude is completely uncalled for, and makes this place a terrible place for debate when you sneer at the opinions of others and talk down to them in satire. I'll make you a deal, you stop being a condescending ass, and I will too ok, I'm more than happy to talk about the issues when people actually address what I bring up instead of simply assuming the worst and insulting me. If you don't want to take that route,well two can play at that game.
I might suggest that the use of the term 'Obamacare' is also immediately infuriating and condescending. It's meant as a pejorative and its use immediately turns people off, and makes it difficult to hold a conversation with the opposition.
I'd suggest keeping the jargon out of it when you begin the argument. It's similar to when people refer to the Tea Party as Tea Baggers. I'm sure I'm guilty of it as well, and it immediately insults the other group and makes for inherently hostile discussions.
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