EPTRepublican nominations - Page 53
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
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towers
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
One problem Ron Paul has is that he looks very frail, stooped and old. Sad to say that watching his video, that was my first impression and the one that stuck with me afterward. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On August 26 2011 10:40 Savio wrote: One problem Ron Paul has is that he looks very frail, stooped and old. Sad to say that watching his video, that was my first impression and the one that stuck with me afterward. That was your first impression? Uh... ok... If you say so. Vote for Perry or Romney, they are rather good looking fellows I guess. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
You think Rick Perry is a good orator? Not particularly, but no one thinks Barack Obama is a good orator either anymore. One clip where he struggles mightily to dance around a question means so little amount more than nothing it might as well be nothing. He blindsided the Texas legislature when he became governor and has pretty much run roughshod over anyone who has gotten in his way since, he's a telegenic Chris Christie, a pugilistic candidate. Here's his announcement speech: It's long and boring but he knows how to make attack sound bites. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On August 26 2011 09:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You think Rick Perry is a good orator? I haven't seen too many interviews with him, but I see a little bit of Bush in this one: Could you post a video of him coming off as a shining star in his wordplay? I truly like a politician who seems well-educated and well-spoken. (Even the above Fox link you gave showed Perry stumbling over his words quite adamantly.) Come on, what a stupid moron?! That's what I hate, ignoring reality to fit your stupid ideology. | ||
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Sadist
United States7291 Posts
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:19 Sadist wrote: He looks like bush pt 2 Good criticism. | ||
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jdsowa
405 Posts
The more folksy-speaking candidate has won every presidential election going back as far as I can remember. Just think about it for a moment. The economy is only a factor in congressional elections. Because the public doesn't really know who they're voting for, they vote to either stay the course if things are OK or sweep out one party and replace them with the other if things are bad. The economy is not a factor in presidential elections because people vote for faces and not policies. If you don't believe me, come back and read this post in November 2012 when Obama is re-elected with 9% unemployment. | ||
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Saji
Netherlands262 Posts
On August 27 2011 00:19 jdsowa wrote: I would venture to guess that prior to August 2011, only about 2% of the US population outside of Texas had any awareness of Rick Perry. And yet here he is, the Republican frontrunner. This absurd fact is not out of the ordinary in democratic politics. There are four important factors in getting nominated and elected: 1) have a decent haircut and nice facial symmetry (sorry Ron Paul) 2) have a familiar name (ultimately I think will be Perry's undoing and will seal Romney's nomination) 3) assure everyone that you're pragmatic (you're unprincipled), uncontroversial (you toe the party line), and that you're folksy/down to earth (it's important not to sound too educated). The more folksy-speaking candidate has won every presidential election going back as far as I can remember. Just think about it for a moment. The economy is only a factor in congressional elections. Because the public doesn't really know who they're voting for, they vote to either stay the course if things are OK or sweep out one party and replace them with the other if things are bad. The economy is not a factor in presidential elections because people vote for faces and not policies. If you don't believe me, come back and read this post in November 2012 when Obama is re-elected with 9% unemployment.  | ||
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Undrass
Norway381 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 26 2011 19:19 Sadist wrote: He looks like bush pt 2 so does everyone lmbo ((including obama) On August 27 2011 00:25 Undrass wrote: The US election seems very much like a Idol contest. You vote for one man/woman, rather than a party. presidents actually have very little power and are incredibly unimportant in domestic affairs compared to congress but americans blame everything on the president every law passed or thing that goes wrong is either trashed or praised as the work of the president it's actually really frustrating if you know how the government works | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
I fear that too many people (as indicated in my personal experience and by posts in this thread) are looking for the most 'electable' nomination (smooth talker, younger, etc), when really we should be looking for the candidate who is consistent in what he says and does, and one who shares values with which we agree. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:00 dOofuS wrote: .. I fear that too many people (as indicated in my personal experience and by posts in this thread) are looking for the most 'electable' nomination (smooth talker, younger, etc), when really we should be looking for the candidate who is consistent in what he says and does, and one who shares values with which we agree. I wonder how consistent Ron Paul would be if he were to be elected and congress/house block every proposal he ever makes. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
On August 27 2011 01:00 dOofuS wrote: I just finished reading End the Fed by Ron Paul, and have started on Liberty Defined. Paul's ability to put all issues into the constitutional perspective is refreshing. I really hope he continues to gain support. He's the only one that doesn't sound like the rest of them. He's also the only one who talks about real issues and already has plans on what to do about them. The other candidates go on babbling about Iran and nukes (there is no evidence of this anywhere) and religious crap. | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I can't understand how someone like Bachmann and Perry doesn't scare the hell out of my fellow TL'ers who live in the U.S. I mean Bachmann is batshit crazy and Perry is downright dangerous. Thank you. I've never considered myself a republican or even remotely right-leaning due to people like them. However, if Ron Paul somehow miraculously gets the nomination I'd probably vote for him over Obama. This seems pertinent considering the discussion on the last few pages: I just don't understand how anybody could stand behind someone who has such a blatant and dishonest disregard for evidence-based reasoning. Perry is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with politics these days: taking a position and running with it, even if you run into a brick wall. Edit: I also find Huntsman to be an appealing candidate, but I doubt I would vote for him over Obama. | ||
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AcuWill
United States281 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I can't understand how someone like Bachmann and Perry doesn't scare the hell out of my fellow TL'ers who live in the U.S. I mean Bachmann is batshit crazy and Perry is downright dangerous. I've said this before in this thread, either we elect Ron Paul, or it doesn't matter. Bachmann, Perry, Obama, etc., will not matter. There will be no changes in foreign policy, domestic financial policy and we will continue to war monger with Iran. The continuation of the inversion of rights will also continue. We have approached a place in the United States where the people cannot do much of anything without approval from the government, whereas the government can do anything without the approval of the people. | ||
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ohnoitschrishansen
United States49 Posts
1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights. 2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable. 3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes. 4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans. --------- Not as important but a big plus. 5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from. So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for. | ||
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