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Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 26 2011 22:57 GMT
#1061
On August 27 2011 02:11 ggrrg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 01:00 dOofuS wrote:
..
I fear that too many people (as indicated in my personal experience and by posts in this thread) are looking for the most 'electable' nomination (smooth talker, younger, etc), when really we should be looking for the candidate who is consistent in what he says and does, and one who shares values with which we agree.



I wonder how consistent Ron Paul would be if he were to be elected and congress/house block every proposal he ever makes.

Uhh then Ron Paul can just veto every fuckin thing the Parlament throws at him. Simple. Plus he can use the superman powers of the executive branch to force his policies through.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
August 26 2011 23:04 GMT
#1062
Republicans are assholes, none of them deserves any votes.
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
August 26 2011 23:09 GMT
#1063
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
FearTheReaperMan
Profile Joined May 2011
154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 23:13:07
August 26 2011 23:12 GMT
#1064
On August 27 2011 08:04 Arnstein wrote:
Republicans are assholes, none of them deserves any votes.


Same with a lot of democrats. They are both wrong in many ways.
Klaca
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
318 Posts
August 26 2011 23:15 GMT
#1065
On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.

uhh how about stop the trouble alltogether?? Like instead of bicker about rich paying less taxes or taxes not progressive enough... how about fuckin abolish income tax????

0/0/0% tax bracket for everyone. fair to everyone no matter what style u prefer

and thatts what ron paul will do
FearTheReaperMan
Profile Joined May 2011
154 Posts
August 26 2011 23:18 GMT
#1066
On August 27 2011 08:15 Klaca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.

uhh how about stop the trouble alltogether?? Like instead of bicker about rich paying less taxes or taxes not progressive enough... how about fuckin abolish income tax????

0/0/0% tax bracket for everyone. fair to everyone no matter what style u prefer

and thatts what ron paul will do


BOOM! you nailed the coffin there. Not to mention that income tax is un-constitutional... .
Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
August 26 2011 23:20 GMT
#1067
On August 27 2011 08:18 FearTheReaperMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 08:15 Klaca wrote:
On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.

uhh how about stop the trouble alltogether?? Like instead of bicker about rich paying less taxes or taxes not progressive enough... how about fuckin abolish income tax????

0/0/0% tax bracket for everyone. fair to everyone no matter what style u prefer

and thatts what ron paul will do


BOOM! you nailed the coffin there. Not to mention that income tax is un-constitutional... .


Sarcasm or no? I can't tell.

Because income tax is certainly constitutionally valid.
kota
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark84 Posts
August 26 2011 23:22 GMT
#1068
Wow... Bachmann makes Danish politicians seem slighty intelligent...
Bibdy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3481 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-26 23:25:15
August 26 2011 23:25 GMT
#1069
On August 27 2011 08:20 Elegy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 08:18 FearTheReaperMan wrote:
On August 27 2011 08:15 Klaca wrote:
On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.

uhh how about stop the trouble alltogether?? Like instead of bicker about rich paying less taxes or taxes not progressive enough... how about fuckin abolish income tax????

0/0/0% tax bracket for everyone. fair to everyone no matter what style u prefer

and thatts what ron paul will do


BOOM! you nailed the coffin there. Not to mention that income tax is un-constitutional... .


Sarcasm or no? I can't tell.

Because income tax is certainly constitutionally valid.


He's one of those people that thinks tariffs worked back in the 1800s and didn't cause an enormous collection of problems prompting the US to switch to a Constitutionally ratified income tax system in 1913.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
August 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#1070
On August 17 2011 01:10 TheGlassface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 01:07 TwilightStar wrote:
I'd participate in the poll, but I don't know enough about each candidate to make an informed decision... Which of these candidates are the least 'evil'? (from what I'm hearing Bachmann is insane)


And this is where the problem is.
It's your country, your future man.
Take some pride and vote. Learn about these people who may be deciding very important steps in your life.
Don't ask others for opinions to choose from, make an honest choice after deciding for yourself.
Hell, if you end up liking Bachmann...well, I respect your right to do so even.


That makes a lot of sense because voting for the president does nothing. Learn about your government, its a Democratic Republic, thats code for they don't trust you to choose the president.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
ohnoitschrishansen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States49 Posts
August 26 2011 23:38 GMT
#1071
On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.


Right! Gotta love how many americans are still voting for priest kings. You better believe in the jesus otherwise you are the antichrist come to implant the mark of the beast RFID chips. Believing in jesus won't help us with our 14 trillion dollar deficit and trampling on personal freedoms.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
August 26 2011 23:44 GMT
#1072
--- Nuked ---
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 00:18:28
August 27 2011 00:04 GMT
#1073
Oh Rick Perry.

"I'll work every day to try to make Washington D.C. as inconsequential in your life as I can"

...unless you're gay.

Edit: Sources are common courtesy

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62147.html


I would still like to see the candidates weigh in on this payroll tax issue. I wouldn't fault them for being pragmatic in a cost vs. benefit fiscally responsible way, necessarily, but the glaring hypocrisy would probably be too much. Plus they all stood on that stage and said NO REVENUES even in a 10 to 1 scenario.

Personally, I don't like the rhetoric that letting a temporary tax cut expire is the same as raising taxes, but that's the Republicans' own definition and they fought tooth and nail to stop the Bush tax cuts from expiring so I can't feel sorry for them.
TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
August 27 2011 04:37 GMT
#1074
Yea, that's one of the things stopping me from ever voting for the current GOP frontrunners. They're all for small government except for constitutional amendments banning shit that doesn't effect anyone one bit. It's absolute bullshit how backwards they are.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#1075
On August 27 2011 05:03 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I can't understand how someone like Bachmann and Perry doesn't scare the hell out of my fellow TL'ers who live in the U.S. I mean Bachmann is batshit crazy and Perry is downright dangerous.


Keep in mind that that "scariness" is all relative in this election. In the minds of a plurality of Americans (I'm not sure that it's a majority yet, but it probably will be), neither are as scary as the thought of a second term of Obama's incompetence in the White House.
icemanzdoinwork
Profile Joined August 2010
447 Posts
August 27 2011 05:14 GMT
#1076
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


#2 can actually be pulled off quite easily. The president controls the military. He can order them home whenever he wants too. He does not need to get the approval of congress. He only needs their approval to go to war (which we haven't declared in decades, which is why there is this huge controversey over lybia.)


#5 could also be pulled off quite easily with the president's power to pardon. He can completely undermine the system and just pardon everyone arrested on drug charges. They would be forced to do it or we would just be wasting tax dollars on court costs and a few days lock up.

#4 Once the troops are home. He can have them secure the border and put the money being used on wars there. The overall immagration system might take a while if at all possible.


I'm not sure how the patriot act would be dealt with. When that was signed into law. I was completely disgusted and then Obama made it permanent and it made me even more disgusted.



I agree with whoever said that Bachmann and Perry are insane. The more I listen to them. The more it scares me that they could become president. Perry is just completely insane and he is basically running his campaign on how he created jobs. When you actually look into it though. He has created mainly minimum wage jobs. His state has the highest percent of minimum wage workers in the country. His rainy day fund/job creation was funded through the stimulus package. This country needs middle class jobs, not minimum wage jobs. Also, look into the situation where he tried to force girl's heading into 6th grade to get a std vaccine. Only later would the vaccine be found to be very dangerous and lead to cancer. Bachmann doesn't have a chance to win, so no point in really talking about her. She just steals bits and peices of Ron Paul's views and runs with them. Just a 1 line wonder who won't really get far.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
August 27 2011 11:34 GMT
#1077
On August 27 2011 08:12 FearTheReaperMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 08:04 Arnstein wrote:
Republicans are assholes, none of them deserves any votes.


Same with a lot of democrats. They are both wrong in many ways.


I totally agree, but they are still better than the republicans
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-29 02:54:52
August 29 2011 02:54 GMT
#1078
The scary thing? Perry and most of the Republican runners agree and support the same proposals:

Bachman said the United States needs to tap into all of its energy resources no matter where they exist if it can be done responsibly.

"The United States needs to be less dependent on foreign sources of energy and more dependent upon American resourcefulness. Whether that is in the Everglades, or whether that is in the eastern Gulf region, or whether that's in North Dakota, we need to go where the energy is," she said. "Of course it needs to be done responsibly. If we can't responsibly access energy in the Everglades then we shouldn't do it."

In 2002, the federal government at the urging of President George W. Bush bought back oil and gas drilling rights in the Everglades for $120 million. Bachmann, who wants to get rid of the federal Environmental Protection Agency, said she would rely on experts to determine whether drilling can be done without harming the environment.


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This guy is an idiot, I don't know why so many people think he's the Messiah:



“To give abortion-on-demand is to show there is no respect for life,” Paul told the National Right-to-Life Committee's (NRLC) annual convention. “I see abortion as an act of violence so I see it as a state issue. When we make it a national issue, we get what we’ve had.”

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/08/26/305485/ron-paul-abortion-is-the-most-important-issue-of-our-age/
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August 29 2011 03:27 GMT
#1080
On August 27 2011 08:15 Klaca wrote:
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On August 27 2011 08:09 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On August 27 2011 07:42 ohnoitschrishansen wrote:
4 things that will absolutely earn my vote but no president will ever actually pull off.

1) Repeal the Patriot Act. Whether you love the "security" it provides or you are a terrorist sympathizer this is absolutely directly against the Bill of Rights.
2)Ending the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. Oppressing a culture simply to prevent the possibility they are able to attack us on our own soil. They certainly need a working government and stabilizing the region to prevent possibly falling under Iran's control but at the cost, it is unsustainable.
3) End the Bush Tax cuts for the rich. Ridiculous how republicans are for increasing taxes and on the poor/middle classes.
4)Controlling our borders. Illegal immigration not only hurts our economy by taking away jobs from americans but hurts the immigrants themselves. From women being raped by the coyotes to workers rights and safe work conditions. The lack of documentation hurts them just as much as it hurts americans.

---------
Not as important but a big plus.
5) Legalize marijuana/hemp. Having grown/smoked it, I strongly disagree with how this plant is looked at.From drug smugglers and gangs making profit, if we legalized and controlled it, any farmer could turn a profit from it whether it is used to smoke or make textiles from.


So far Ron Paul is as close as it gets but I realize it takes more than a president to give me what I am looking for.


Amen on all of these points. I don't give a damn about the politicians looks or religious beliefs or scientific beliefs, it's these types of policies that matter. Ron Paul is perhaps one of the few politicians in the country who would actually follow through with the principles he espouses instead of giving them lip service and then backpedaling.

I would say that I think simplifying our tax code and closing the many loopholes is actually better and more profitable than simply a higher tax rate on the rich.

On point I want to make regarding issues like evolution, etc... The politicians ACTUAL opinions don't matter, and they probably only rarely match up with what they espouse. When the politicians are campaigning in Iowa, which is more evangelical than most states, they will espouse evangelical positions. So people like Perry will give half-answers in attempt to have it both ways, ie. "I think both should be taught and the students should decide." Then when he gets to states like California he can say "I never said I believe in creationism."

Huntsman is not campaigning in Iowa, which is why he has little fear of coming out and stating he believes in evolution and global warming. He's simply using different tactics and going after different states. You guys gotta look at things from a strategic perspective like they do instead of freaking out and saying "OMG in Iowa they denied evolution!" They are politicians they will say whatever it takes to get votes.

uhh how about stop the trouble alltogether?? Like instead of bicker about rich paying less taxes or taxes not progressive enough... how about fuckin abolish income tax????

0/0/0% tax bracket for everyone. fair to everyone no matter what style u prefer

and thatts what ron paul will do


No taxes is possibly the dumbest thing I can think of. How, pray tell, do you expect there to be these necessary services like the police, firemen, and other emergency services, not to mention road repairs/building and other important things without taxes?
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