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On February 29 2012 12:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Awww.... too bad Santorum is going to lose in Michigan. What a shame.
Well it's all about perception. Michigan Republican primary isn't winner takes all, so Santorum is still going to walk away with a surprising amount of delegates, and he can talk about the gains he made. Romney gets more ammunition because of Santorum's ads for democrats, but it's a negative message and he has enough of those weapons already. What he fails severely at is providing a positive message.
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Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries.
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On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both.
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Fact checking is not a strength of American reporters. Nor is reporting.
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On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both.
nobody cares about people being wrong nowadays. Something else just happens and it gets left in the dust.
In fact, just by saying something, you will find that people quote it as truth because the fallout for what they say is rarely ever as publicized as them saying it in the first place.
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On February 29 2012 13:19 Jibba wrote:
Fact checking is not a strength of American reporters. Nor is reporting.
even if they do fact check, Ala the ACORN scandal, the fact checking is never as sensationally reported as the initial report.
Its sad. The fact checking also gets rejected by some people claiming it is biased (granted it could be). America is sad.
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Alas, Americans are the worst feature of America.
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Romney wins the evening. Not very surprised in the end--- Santorum's momentum was from winning three nonbinding primaries with a vote total some 30: less than the amount he received in a third place finish in Florida. I can't emphasize that enough.
What I'm surprised by is that Paul carried 11-12% of the vote in Michigan. For a guy who made only a couple trips and spent next to no money, not too shabby indeed... he's set himself up to be a potential broker at the convention if the race stretches on for much longer. Dunno how many delegates that translates to based on the county/precinct shapes, but yeah.
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On February 29 2012 13:19 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both. nobody cares about people being wrong nowadays. Something else just happens and it gets left in the dust. In fact, just by saying something, you will find that people quote it as truth because the fallout for what they say is rarely ever as publicized as them saying it in the first place.
Surely it is not unreasonable to expect that the possible future president of the United States of America has at least the courtesy to pretend to care about being honest? It's a sad state of affairs when your leaders can celebrate blatant lies. I guess that is politics these days. Down here we have our own shit to deal with so I am not throwing stones.
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The White House must be partying over this whole race. Republicans are split between an unelectable candidate and a candidate who is making himself unelectable to beat the other one.
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On February 29 2012 13:25 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:19 Sadist wrote:On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both. nobody cares about people being wrong nowadays. Something else just happens and it gets left in the dust. In fact, just by saying something, you will find that people quote it as truth because the fallout for what they say is rarely ever as publicized as them saying it in the first place. Surely it is not unreasonable to expect that the possible future president of the United States of America has at least the courtesy to pretend to care about being honest? It's a sad state of affairs when your leaders can celebrate blatant lies. I guess that is politics these days. Down here we have our own shit to deal with so I am not throwing stones.
I don't think many americans would feel offended if you say our politics and news cycle is a joke so don't worry about that.
I think the crux of the issue is 24 hour cable news channels (24 hour sports channels as well, but thats another discussion) and the internet have ruined journalism. Headlines change every 10 minutes and because people are rushing to get headlines, there is no fact checking and "journalists" do their best to manufacture headlines/news by being sensationalist as fuck.
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On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both.
 Some people report it, just not mainstream stuff.
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On February 29 2012 13:27 ampson wrote:
The White House must be partying over this whole race. Republicans are split between an unelectable candidate and a candidate who is making himself unelectable to beat the other one.
Whilst the Democrats might win from this, ultimately the country loses. The whole point of the primary race is produce a credible alternative to Obama. He has real failings and there are aspects of his presidency that deserve scrutiny. This squabble just detracts from that task and provides him with ammunition. Whether you support the Democrats or Republicans, a strong candidate is what serves the country best as it forces Obama to work his ass off for re-election. Competition is good and right now it looks like a potential whitewash.
Of course things change and there is still plenty of time before November. What could be really tricky is if none of the candidates pick up the required number of delegates before the convention in August. You then end up with a brokered candidacy which is canon fodder for Obama. Is it likely? Probably not, but the longer this goes on, the better for him.
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On February 29 2012 13:30 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:25 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:19 Sadist wrote:On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both. nobody cares about people being wrong nowadays. Something else just happens and it gets left in the dust. In fact, just by saying something, you will find that people quote it as truth because the fallout for what they say is rarely ever as publicized as them saying it in the first place. Surely it is not unreasonable to expect that the possible future president of the United States of America has at least the courtesy to pretend to care about being honest? It's a sad state of affairs when your leaders can celebrate blatant lies. I guess that is politics these days. Down here we have our own shit to deal with so I am not throwing stones. I don't think many americans would feel offended if you say our politics and news cycle is a joke so don't worry about that. I think the crux of the issue is 24 hour cable news channels (24 hour sports channels as well, but thats another discussion) and the internet have ruined journalism. Headlines change every 10 minutes and because people are rushing to get headlines, there is no fact checking and "journalists" do their best to manufacture headlines/news by being sensationalist as fuck.
Yeah we have the same issue. My biggest problem isn't necessarily that he doesn't get hawled over the coals for it, it is that he can blatantly expect not to receive any real damage from it. I mean either he has a terrible memory which includes him being places he cannot be; or he knew he was lying. If we believe he knew he was lying, then he counted on the fact that his speech would have more power with that anecdote and would be sufficient to drown out any ensuing bad press. That kind of blatantly obvious cynicism towards truth and honesty is breathtaking. Especially for someone who may one day lead the US. It's scary to think he is considered to be the most normal of the candidates currently running.
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O man, Samantha Bee's bit was amazing.... The guy was basically saying if you can break politics down to +taxes or no raising taxes.... stupid people will vote for no raised taxes; because it sounds nice as a slogan. And unfortunately there are enough of those people to win elections X___X
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On February 29 2012 13:45 stokes17 wrote:
O man, Samantha Bee's bit was amazing.... The guy was basically saying if you can break politics down to +taxes or no raising taxes.... stupid people will vote for no raised taxes; because it sounds nice as a slogan. And unfortunately there are enough of those people to win elections X___X
But no party would ever run on a raising taxes platform.
They would shift the focus towards what they aim to do by raising the taxes. That is basic politics 101.
So you could perfectly win by raising taxes, you just talk about all the good stuff you will do with the extra money (social programs, balancing the budget, etc).
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On February 29 2012 13:42 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:30 Sadist wrote:On February 29 2012 13:25 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:19 Sadist wrote:On February 29 2012 13:08 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:03 Jibba wrote:
Ahahhaha Jon Stewart is so fucking brilliant.
The Daily Show has several clips of Romney talking about how he registered as an Independent in MA so he could vote against leading democrats in their primaries. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he recently say he was at a car rally that happened before he was born? Honestly how a potential president can talk such bullshit; not expect to be called on it and when he is people just dismiss it, is beyond me. It is either an indictment of the woeful candidates he is up against or an indictment of the people voting him in. Maybe it is both. nobody cares about people being wrong nowadays. Something else just happens and it gets left in the dust. In fact, just by saying something, you will find that people quote it as truth because the fallout for what they say is rarely ever as publicized as them saying it in the first place. Surely it is not unreasonable to expect that the possible future president of the United States of America has at least the courtesy to pretend to care about being honest? It's a sad state of affairs when your leaders can celebrate blatant lies. I guess that is politics these days. Down here we have our own shit to deal with so I am not throwing stones. I don't think many americans would feel offended if you say our politics and news cycle is a joke so don't worry about that. I think the crux of the issue is 24 hour cable news channels (24 hour sports channels as well, but thats another discussion) and the internet have ruined journalism. Headlines change every 10 minutes and because people are rushing to get headlines, there is no fact checking and "journalists" do their best to manufacture headlines/news by being sensationalist as fuck. Yeah we have the same issue. My biggest problem isn't necessarily that he doesn't get hawled over the coals for it, it is that he can blatantly expect not to receive any real damage from it. I mean either he has a terrible memory which includes him being places he cannot be; or he knew he was lying. If we believe he knew he was lying, then he counted on the fact that his speech would have more power with that anecdote and would be sufficient to drown out any ensuing bad press. That kind of blatantly obvious cynicism towards truth and honesty is breathtaking. Especially for someone who may one day lead the US. It's scary to think he is considered to be the most normal of the candidates currently running.
Even the most complex of algorithms do not have Santorum even close to winning the primary. He has a huge problems towards the moderate voters http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-rick-santorum-more-electable-than-mitt-romney/rick-santorum-repulses-independent-and-moderate-voters
Think of it this way, it's like me saying "Tony Abbott could easily become PM of Australia one day". At the end of the day we both know Tony Abbott isn't going anywhere except in a niche role. What I'm trying to say is anyone relatively literate in politics knows Santorum has no chance to "may one day lead the US".
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So after all that Romney burns a 65 million dollar hole in his campaign pocket and can't even give a moderately exciting speech.
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On February 29 2012 13:35 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:27 ampson wrote:
The White House must be partying over this whole race. Republicans are split between an unelectable candidate and a candidate who is making himself unelectable to beat the other one. Whilst the Democrats might win from this, ultimately the country loses. The whole point of the primary race is produce a credible alternative to Obama. He has real failings and there are aspects of his presidency that deserve scrutiny. This squabble just detracts from that task and provides him with ammunition. Whether you support the Democrats or Republicans, a strong candidate is what serves the country best as it forces Obama to work his ass off for re-election. Competition is good and right now it looks like a potential whitewash. Of course things change and there is still plenty of time before November. What could be really tricky is if none of the candidates pick up the required number of delegates before the convention in August. You then end up with a brokered candidacy which is canon fodder for Obama. Is it likely? Probably not, but the longer this goes on, the better for him.
How many delegates are required to secure a nomination? Could a strong showing on Super Tuesday secure enough delegates for any of the candidates at this point?
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On February 29 2012 15:57 undyinglight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 13:35 Probulous wrote:On February 29 2012 13:27 ampson wrote:
The White House must be partying over this whole race. Republicans are split between an unelectable candidate and a candidate who is making himself unelectable to beat the other one. Whilst the Democrats might win from this, ultimately the country loses. The whole point of the primary race is produce a credible alternative to Obama. He has real failings and there are aspects of his presidency that deserve scrutiny. This squabble just detracts from that task and provides him with ammunition. Whether you support the Democrats or Republicans, a strong candidate is what serves the country best as it forces Obama to work his ass off for re-election. Competition is good and right now it looks like a potential whitewash. Of course things change and there is still plenty of time before November. What could be really tricky is if none of the candidates pick up the required number of delegates before the convention in August. You then end up with a brokered candidacy which is canon fodder for Obama. Is it likely? Probably not, but the longer this goes on, the better for him. How many delegates are required to secure a nomination? Could a strong showing on Super Tuesday secure enough delegates for any of the candidates at this point?
i dont know the number but its over 1 thousand. I cant remember the last time the republicans actually went to someone winning enough instead of eveyrone else just droping out
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