EPTOn February 14 2012 04:17 koreasilver wrote:
What in the world is going on.
What in the world is going on.
Given the choice between crazy Catholic and sleazy Mormon, all roads lead to Rome.
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bonifaceviii
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Given the choice between crazy Catholic and sleazy Mormon, all roads lead to Rome. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:32 ZeaL. wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/985/chart13291151644163113.png) Things aren't looking so good for the GOP. I wouldn't put much stock in these things so far out. Just look at how volatile the primary has been. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On February 14 2012 04:19 xDaunt wrote: Oh, and for those that are wondering what real conservative republicans think about Santorum as opposed to Romney, let me fill you in. Santorum, as uninteresting as he is, does stand for things unlike Romney. No one can question his conservative credentials on most key points. Romney simply has failed to make a case for himself as a conservative beyond saying that he's a businessman. He has no vision or bold ideas that would allow people to overlook his transgressions. That said, the one thing that bugs me about Santorum is that he does have a history "compassionate conservativism," which, loosely translated, is "big government conservativism." Though Santorum is infinitely better than Obama, I'm not sure that he's materially better on the point of fixing the country's fiscal issues than either Newt or Romney. And the fact that he's fucked in the head. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:01 MethodSC wrote: How the hell is Santorum winning in Michigan? I thought we were better than this.... argh.... Maybe it's just because I'm from Ann Arbor, but seriously Santorum? Michigan wake the fuck up. Are you actually a republican? | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
Independant. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Unless you're conservative (which I'm guessing, you're not), I'm not sure why you're questioning the preferences of Michigan republicans. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:07 xDaunt wrote: Unless you're conservative (which I'm guessing, you're not), I'm not sure why you're questioning the preferences of Michigan republicans. It's just sad to think that someone like Santorum could win anything in the state I live in. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
He doesn't believe in the right to privacy. Some of talks on social issues makes it sound like he wants to make adultery illegal, not to mention porn. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
It would mark the low point for the republican party, and after a crushing defeat they will realize that they need to stop paying lip service to religious crazies and focus on the majority of Americans. With the economy growing again it will be impossible to defeat Obama anyway. Might as well throw the insane candidate at Obama. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 05:53 zalz wrote: I would like it if the republican party picked Santorum as their guy. It would mark the low point for the republican party, and after a crushing defeat they will realize that they need to stop paying lip service to religious crazies and focus on the majority of Americans. With the economy growing again it will be impossible to defeat Obama anyway. Might as well throw the insane candidate at Obama. You do realize that, policy/platform-wise, Santorum and Ronald Reagan aren't too far apart, right? In fact, they're basically identical on social issues. Nonetheless, that didn't stop Reagan from winning two elections in landslides. Sure, Santorum obviously is not the communicator that Reagan is. However, it's foolish to presume that he's unelectable. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:01 xDaunt wrote: You do realize that, policy/platform-wise, Santorum and Ronald Reagan aren't too far apart, right? In fact, they're basically identical on social issues. Nonetheless, that didn't stop Reagan from winning two elections in landslides. Sure, Santorum obviously is not the communicator that Reagan is. However, it's foolish to presume that he's unelectable. Ronald Reagan was elected over 30 years ago. Times have changed. There is also something to be said for personality. Santorum is no Reagan. Nobody is unelectable (except maybe pawlenty), but Santorum is about as much of a long shot as you can get. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:01 xDaunt wrote: You do realize that, policy/platform-wise, Santorum and Ronald Reagan aren't too far apart, right? In fact, they're basically identical on social issues. Nonetheless, that didn't stop Reagan from winning two elections in landslides. Sure, Santorum obviously is not the communicator that Reagan is. However, it's foolish to presume that he's unelectable. I'd argue that higher university attendance rates, the internet, and the general globalization of culture has made the US a lot less socially conservative. I don't think the idea of "I'm just going to govern in accordance with the bible" would fly nowadays, or ever again for that matter. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:08 zalz wrote: Ronald Reagan was elected over 30 years ago. Times have changed. There is also something to be said for personality. Santorum is no Reagan. Nobody is unelectable (except maybe pawlenty), but Santorum is about as much of a long shot as you can get. No, times really haven't changed that much. Bush was just as socially conservative, yet he had no problem winning in 2004. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:13 xDaunt wrote: No, times really haven't changed that much. Bush was just as socially conservative, yet he had no problem winning in 2004. There are certainly degrees of social conservatives. Santorum is much further right. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:10 Mohdoo wrote: I'd argue that higher university attendance rates, the internet, and the general globalization of culture has made the US a lot less socially conservative. I don't think the idea of "I'm just going to govern in accordance with the bible" would fly nowadays, or ever again for that matter. And here's the only point that I need to make to show how out of touch you are: CALIFORNIA passed Proposition 8 in 2008 -- the same election in which Obama won. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:13 xDaunt wrote: No, times really haven't changed that much. Bush was just as socially conservative, yet he had no problem winning in 2004. The internet did not even properly exist during Ronald Reagan's election. But sure, the world didn't change. Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:16 xDaunt wrote: And here's the only point that I need to make to show how out of touch you are: CALIFORNIA passed Proposition 8 in 2008 -- the same election in which Obama won. Are you unfamiliar with how exactly prop 8 got passed? :p Not to mention, more states have legalized same sex marriage lately. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On February 14 2012 06:20 zalz wrote: The internet did not even properly exist during Ronald Reagan's election. But sure, the world didn't change. Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true. And you, as a citizen of the Netherlands, are an authority on the American political electorate because of why? Seriously. I'm amazed at how rampantly delusional some of you are. Yes, America is slowly moving to the left on social issues, but it is still a very conservative country that is more than capable of electing someone like Santorum as has been demonstrated repeatedly in recent elections. And here's the other thing to consider. This election is not going to be about social issues. Poll after poll shows that fiscal and economic issues are what voters care about. Accordingly, there will be a lot of people who are willing to overlook what disagreements that they have with Santorum's social views because they prefer his other policies to Obama's. | ||
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