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On January 22 2012 10:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Ron Paul giving another passionate speech. Think his strategy might be working, albeit slowly.
Slowly isn't too good, it'll cost too much money IMO.
Although I do like his speech, makes me really believe he's the good guy in this. The problem is whether he can back those words up with actions. He doesn't have the stick-up-the-ass syndrome that Obama had when he was running, or that Palin tried to do but failed epically.
But he's being more direct on issues than Gingrich or even Romney, so not too bad if he pulls ahead. Except maybe at getting votes from Americans as a whole.
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It's all preaching to the choir tho. He's been a consistant 3rd/4th place, but has never actually spiked in the polls. There don't seem to be many gains/losses for him. He has a group of very dedicated supporters for sure, but I'm not sure its growing.
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On January 22 2012 10:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:21 aksfjh wrote:On January 22 2012 10:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Romney went down from 27 to 26.
IIRC is it that the republican who wins SC becomes the candidate, or does Romney still have a good chance if he loses? Since SC's delegates were cut in half, I have a feeling that it won't be as big of a deal this time around. This thing will probably last much longer than a lot of news outlets are suggesting. Well, we're already at 24%, shouldn't this be over by 12 (site time)?
He meant the nomination process will continue longer than the media are suggesting.
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On January 22 2012 09:54 Jibba wrote:
How effective would he be at solving anything though? His role when he was Speaker was a stonewaller. His reputation was built as an anti-solver more than anything else, which some people might prefer. But there's no question that he doesn't play well with others.
As of right now, none of them are standing toe to toe with Obama. There's three different winners for three different states and all of them have huge negative clouds surrounding them (from within their own party), and two of them aren't very good campaigners.
Eh not really, He's co-sponsored several bills with democrats during his tenure as a legislator. He's just really famous for the shutdown issue that happened when he was speaker. He plays with others far for than any of the Tea Party representatives / senators do.
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On January 22 2012 10:29 Derez wrote:
It's all preaching to the choir tho. He's been a consistant 3rd/4th place, but has never actually spiked in the polls. There don't seem to be many gains/losses for him. He has a group of very dedicated supporters for sure, but I'm not sure its growing.
Here's % of the votes he got in the three states in 2008
Iowa: 10%
New Hampshire: 8%
South Carolina: 4%
Here's those same three states in 2012
Iowa: 21%
New Hampshire: 23%
South Carolina: 13% (As of now)
Still not sure it's growing?
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The ticker tape says Gingrich won, it's already over?
EDIT: Here comes Santorum.
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On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state.
Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic.
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On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic.
And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement...
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On January 22 2012 10:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:29 Derez wrote:
It's all preaching to the choir tho. He's been a consistant 3rd/4th place, but has never actually spiked in the polls. There don't seem to be many gains/losses for him. He has a group of very dedicated supporters for sure, but I'm not sure its growing. Here's % of the votes he got in the three states in 2008 Iowa: 10% New Hampshire: 8% South Carolina: 4% Here's those same three states in 2012 Iowa: 21% New Hampshire: 23% South Carolina: 13% (As of now) Still not sure it's growing?
Yeah but this is pretty much guranteed to be his last election. (The dude is what, 78 now?)
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On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement...
Well disagreements aside 
Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run.
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On January 22 2012 10:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:29 Derez wrote:
It's all preaching to the choir tho. He's been a consistant 3rd/4th place, but has never actually spiked in the polls. There don't seem to be many gains/losses for him. He has a group of very dedicated supporters for sure, but I'm not sure its growing. Here's % of the votes he got in the three states in 2008 Iowa: 10% New Hampshire: 8% South Carolina: 4% Here's those same three states in 2012 Iowa: 21% New Hampshire: 23% South Carolina: 13% (As of now) Still not sure it's growing?
I don't deny he's doing better then in 2012, what I'm saying is that there might not be a whole lot of growth possible within the electorate this year for the Paul campaign. Paul's numbers are always very stable, with little variance. That suggests a dedicated base to me, but hardly any growth in it.
He came in 4th in a 4 man race after all, that's hardly a cause for celebration.
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Santorum is going the Evangelical path it seems.
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On January 22 2012 10:40 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement... Well disagreements aside Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run.
I think it won't make as much of a difference as it used to, I'd be leaning more on Florida.
I'm making two observations right now though:
1) Everyone in the audience for Paul, Santorum, and what little I saw of Romney is white.
2) Santorum is looking at two exact angles in the audience. Is he reading off of a teleprompter?
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On January 22 2012 10:40 forgottendreams wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement... Well disagreements aside Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run.
Maybe, because now he can ride on that momentum to florida. That americans will find out come next week when they start doing polls after the SC results are out. But romney is the only guy among the 4 who has prepared a drawn out national campaign plus he has all this $$$$$$$$$ so he has a pretty good chance of winning if the nomination process goes all the way to the end.
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So fucking embarassing to watch people actually cheer for what this idiot has to say.
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On January 22 2012 10:44 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:40 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement... Well disagreements aside Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run. I think it won't make as much of a difference as it used to, I'd be leaning more on Florida. I'm making two observations right now though: 1) Everyone in the audience for Paul, Santorum, and what little I saw of Romney is white. 2) Santorum is looking at two exact angles in the audience. Is he reading off of a teleprompter?
99% of people that voted in the republican primary were white, gingrich's rally will be even whiter. And yes, I think so.
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On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement...
I think the thing to take from this is that people are looking at the candidate performance and not playing to the endorsements. This is a different race than it has been in the past 30 years. The establishment pushes one candidate and the "grassroots" another.
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So what redeeming qualities do these SC folks see in Gingrich?
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On January 22 2012 10:45 white_horse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:40 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement... Well disagreements aside Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run. Maybe, because now he can ride on that momentum to florida. That americans will find out come next week when they start doing polls after the SC results are out. But romney is the only guy among the 4 who has prepared a drawn out national campaign plus he has all this $$$$$$$$$ so he has a pretty good chance of winning if the nomination process goes all the way to the end.
So if I understand this correctly, Romney has the most to benefit from a drawn out campaign, and Paul has second most?
On January 22 2012 10:47 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
So what redeeming qualities do these SC folks see in Gingrich?
Not being a mormon.
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On January 22 2012 10:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:45 white_horse wrote:On January 22 2012 10:40 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On January 22 2012 10:36 forgottendreams wrote:On January 22 2012 10:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In another story Newt winning SC shows that Nikky Haley has no power in SC, her own state. Don't think you can make that inference because of the effect of the debate. I think SC loved how fiery Newt was and Romney looked just pathetic. And the Romney Camp and Haley herself touted the endorsement... Well disagreements aside Does anyone out there think this means Newt will be the new favorite for nominee? It's a loaded question on my part but just curious if anyone thinks the SC primary even matters in the long run. Maybe, because now he can ride on that momentum to florida. That americans will find out come next week when they start doing polls after the SC results are out. But romney is the only guy among the 4 who has prepared a drawn out national campaign plus he has all this $$$$$$$$$ so he has a pretty good chance of winning if the nomination process goes all the way to the end. So if I understand this correctly, Romney has the most to benefit from a drawn out campaign, and Paul has second most? Show nested quote +On January 22 2012 10:47 SoLaR[i.C] wrote:
So what redeeming qualities do these SC folks see in Gingrich? Not being a mormon.
That's the way it seems. Any long drawn out battle that goes to the last state will favor Romney, and then Paul. Paul went all the way to the convention 4 years ago as well.
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