EPTwhat's more sad is that people harvest these bears just for the bile, and there are more humane ways to make the drug then torturing bears. that's why i'm never going to eat foig gras either, my god it's crazy how they make that shit.
Mother Bear kills cub then self at chinese farm - Page 31
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
what's more sad is that people harvest these bears just for the bile, and there are more humane ways to make the drug then torturing bears. that's why i'm never going to eat foig gras either, my god it's crazy how they make that shit. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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cryL
Australia77 Posts
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:57 travis wrote: Well the fairness of that statement is arguable - but anyways I don't think the levels of cruelty are the same. (not that I think kfc's chickens are treated humanely) lol Damn, I wasn't aware that animals had an advanced enough level of understanding of death to kill others out of pity and commit suicide. I knew of some instance where birds would eat/throw off the baby birds that can't fly and stuff like that but I think this is way different. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On August 13 2011 08:57 cz wrote: I don't know if China is the worst, but I'd certainly put it far behind any country in Western Europe / North America. I don't have directly relevant statistics, but I'm also quite sure I'm right - from what I'm heard, from the general nature of Chinese abuses with respect to other rights and so on. I was too until I looked around. Now Im not so sure. Theres a part of me that still feels that youre right, but the critical thinking part of my brain keeps reminding me that I dont have nearly enough evidence to even begin coming to a conclusion about this. I mean, heres an example of me being wrong. Based on what I heard, I was sure that North Korea was a completely backwards country with no internet and barely functioning infrastructure. Sure there are probably many areas that are like that, but they definitely have infrastructure, they have internet, they got subways, they even allow tourists. I dont want to turn this into a discussion about North Korea, but my point is that there are certain countries were we will only get news about them if it fits a certain criteria. In North Koreas case, its about how badly its people are being oppressed. In Chinas case, well, really anything that might seem threatening to our (USA) current position in the world | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Did i say everything is good in other country's or anything? America has a long way to go on animal rights as well... but still not as bad as China. And unlike China i know of a lot of organisations who counteract animal abuse in America. | ||
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Mczeppo
Germany319 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lololol. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. Everytime you eat KFC you're supporting animal cruelty! Don't come into these threads and shed tears of ignorance. You're part of the problem. You're pretty fucked up! gratz Not everyone is eating KFC you know? Humanity is pathetic in many ways! On topic: I dont think the bear did that on purpose. It just wasnt healthy anymore (psychologically) because of all that torture... It was just some kind of disturbed behaviour i think. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On August 13 2011 09:10 Technique wrote: Did i say everything is good in other country's or anything? America has a long way to go on animal rights as well... but still not as bad as China. And unlike China i know of a lot of organisations who counteract animal abuse in America. Im gonna go out on a limb here and agree that China is worse when it comes to animal welfare LAW. They only just legislated their first animal welfare law in 2009: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterwedderburn/100010449/china-unveils-first-ever-animal-cruelty-legislation/ However, I would argue against the idea that the culture/people in China are inherently so much worse than the rest of the world: http://www.care2.com/causes/animal-activists-protest-chinas-first-rodeo-a-sino-u-s-event.html There are many people who care in China. That Jackie Chan video earlier shows that. The above article doesnt mention by name, but it does mention 68 Chinese animal rights charities are campaigning against this US-China rodeo event being held. They even seem to think that rodeos are "trashy US culture", as if it represents our country. Ironic huh? | ||
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warblob004
United States198 Posts
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ShaunO
United States44 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7595 Posts
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
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Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 13 2011 10:00 Livelovedie wrote: I find some of comments interesting in their view of how the mother bear was compassionate in killing their young and I wondered; would those same people ever consider it to be okay to kill their child and then themselves to be the right thing to do? Depends really on the situation. And their personal values. Of course I see it as you only have one life, if you live painfully you still have a chance but if you're dead then it's just gg. | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
On August 12 2011 14:53 travis wrote: Bears have very thick skulls. I doubt it could run into a wall and kill itself. That said, is what is attested to here actually legal? They can run at 60 km/hr no? | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
Bears are pretty damn fast. If it was like a concrete/cinderblock wall I think it's very possible. Sad story | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On August 13 2011 11:13 FusionCutter wrote: Can't find any verification of the suicide and cub killing part. No doubt about the animal cruelty, but was this story sensationalized? probably just so it makes the story look beter | ||
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Alexstrasas
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a) It’s almost impossible to get a formula containing wild animal parts in modern days, almost all formulas have been altered to avoid this exact same situations. There are however a lot of shady stuff going on, with a lot of rich guys wanting the “original recipe” and paying big cash for a lot of illicit stuff like tiger poaching etc, this “farm” thing most likely falls into the same category. b) Somebody needs to go torch that "farm" c) I don’t understand why people, that have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, like so much, making retarded comments. Its 2011, you have the internet and shit, its time to wake the fuck up. FYI: Did you know that the “avian flu” pandemic in china was squelched using a TCM formula? Did you also know that later on, the main ingredient for a TCM formula effective in combating the “swine flu” vanished from the Chinese market when the scare started? It was later found out that this ingredient was mainly bought by a western pharmaceutical. The ingredient was Chinese Star Anise and the medicament for what it was used is Tamiflu, the most widely used treatment for swine flu in the west. It’s plain stupid to say science dismisses TCM, simply because there are no real hard studies. It’s simple, money will only be invested on stuff that can be patented, plants with minerals or acupuncture can’t be patented Fortunately, the medical community is adhering more and more to TCM, for example I recently have been to a medical congress, one of the speakers revealed that the creator of the modern chemotherapy cocktail is working on a new version that has imbued a TCM formula that aims to drastically reduce the side-effects of chemotherapy. Also if anyone is wondering, I personally started studying TCM as soon as I finished school, but my teachers and the most prominent TCM specialists in my country all have a medical degree. d) We also treat animals!! ![[image loading]](http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/dec2008/1/8/409F5FFF-031B-2C21-179E4626F271B536.jpg) | ||
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