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On August 13 2011 07:47 brain_ wrote: The biggest joke is that this is all this abuse is for the sake of bullshit holistic medicine that does nothing. I mean, mistreating a stupid, domesticated animal shortly before you eat it is sort of understandable, although still undesirable. Surgically modifying and imprisoning a non-domesticated wild animal, and a higher mammal to boot, seems like a different story. Not defending it supposely it's suppose to make you fearless and used as a ritualistic thing I guess? when people go into battle. Something like that hence when someone does something outrageous you say "did you eat bear bile or something?"
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On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china.
doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths
sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ...
yours included
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On August 13 2011 07:49 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote: "It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote: [quote] It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it.
The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense. Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion. How is it not an opinion.... have you read the posts before you? obviously there is evidence against your hypothesis
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On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included
This.
Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post.
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On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post.
You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened.
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On August 13 2011 07:53 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:49 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote: [quote] Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are...
Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it.
But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote: [quote] So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense. Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion. How is it not an opinion.... have you read the posts before you? obviously there is evidence against your hypothesis Are you really that ignorant?
Compare written animal rights in Netherlands opposed to written animal rights in China... perhaps you will get why i say it's not an opinion then?
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On August 13 2011 07:56 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post. You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened. If I said "Black people has a significantly worse record on going to jail than other people (e.g. Asian people) and is a large part of the US population. There for there's a decent chance if a crime happened. A black person did it before reading what happened"
What would you say?
just giving an example
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On August 13 2011 07:58 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:53 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:49 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote: [quote] But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote: [quote] Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty?
I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it.
Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense. Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion. How is it not an opinion.... have you read the posts before you? obviously there is evidence against your hypothesis Are you really that ignorant? Compare written animal rights in Netherlands opposed to written animal rights in China... perhaps you will get why i say it's not an opinion then? Have you read the proposals? tell me after you've read it
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Monkeys too busy flinging shit to notice a non-human mammal had the consciousness to save it's child and itself from impending torment.
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On August 12 2011 21:22 Crushgroove wrote: OP is silly... No. Bears do not have self-aware sentience just because one bear killed itself. As for killing the cub, it sounds as though the mother was just trying to free it, but killed it. Lemmings run off cliffs all the time. We should infer from this that they have read too much Chaucer and believe paradise truly is lost and the only way to save it is to fly.....
Thanks for sharing the news story though.
Very very doubtful that the bear ran into a wall with intention of inflicting self-harm, rather, it was kept in a cage its whole life and was very unfamiliar with the whole concept of running and object permanence in the first place. It hit the wall and died. It was a messed up bear. Farmer's fault. End of story. Let's attempt not to personify animals because of this.
No lemming ever jumped to his death, sorry bro. + Show Spoiler +Misconceptions about lemmings go back many centuries. In the 1530s, the geographer Zeigler of Strasbourg proposed the theory that the creatures fell out of the sky during stormy weather (also featured in the folklore of the Inupiat/Yupik at Norton Sound), and then died suddenly when the grass grew in spring.[5] This description was contradicted by the natural historian Ole Worm, who accepted that the lemmings could fall out of the sky but claimed that they had been brought over by the wind rather than created by spontaneous generation. It was Worm who first published dissections of a lemming, which showed that they are anatomically similar to most other rodents, and the work of Carl Linnaeus proved that the animals had a natural origin.[6][7] When large numbers of lemmings get on the move, some of them will inevitably drown while crossing rivers and lakes, like this one in Norway.
Lemmings became the subject of a popular misconception that they commit mass suicide when they migrate. Actually, it is not a mass suicide but the result of their migratory behavior. Driven by strong biological urges, some species of lemmings may migrate in large groups when population density becomes too great. Lemmings can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many may drown if the body of water is so wide as to stretch their physical capability to the limit. This fact combined with the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings gave rise to the misconception.[8]
The misconception of lemming "mass suicide" is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. In 1955, Disney Studio illustrator Carl Barks drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title "The Lemming with the Locket". This comic, which was inspired by a 1954 American Mercury article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.[9][10] Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film White Wilderness, which won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature, in which staged footage was shown with lemmings jumping into certain death after faked scenes of mass migration.[11] A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, Cruel Camera, found that the lemmings used for White Wilderness were flown from Hudson Bay to Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where they did not jump off the cliff, but were in fact launched off the cliff using a turntable.[12]
This same act was also used in the Apple Computer 1985 Super Bowl commercial "Lemmings" and the popular 1991 video game Lemmings, in which the player must stop the lemmings from mindlessly marching over cliffs or into traps. In a 2010 board game by GMT games, "Leaping Lemmings," players must maneuver lemmings across a board while avoiding hazards and successfully launch them off a cliff.
Because of their association with this odd behavior, lemming suicide is a frequently used metaphor in reference to people who go along unquestioningly with popular opinion, with potentially dangerous or fatal consequences. This metaphor is seen many times in popular culture, such as in the video game Lemmings, and in episodes of Red Dwarf and Adult Swim's show Robot Chicken. The Blink 182 song "Lemmings" also uses this metaphor as does the 1973 stage show National Lampoon's Lemmings starring John Belushi and mocking post-Woodstock groupthink.[13]
Straight from wikipedia, although I could find that documentary about Lemmings NOT jumping off cliffs. I am pretty sure the Mother Bear noticed the shackles that impeded its own freedom many many times before, and upon realizing it could not release its cub and escape it took the next best escape route. You seem to underestimate the intelligence of life.
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On August 13 2011 08:00 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:58 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:53 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:49 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote: [quote] No we are not... what are you talking bout?
Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:[quote] Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense. Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion. How is it not an opinion.... have you read the posts before you? obviously there is evidence against your hypothesis Are you really that ignorant? Compare written animal rights in Netherlands opposed to written animal rights in China... perhaps you will get why i say it's not an opinion then? Have you read the proposals? tell me after you've read it Reply to what i say for once... can't keep dodging everything i say constantly by spewing out nonsense.
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On August 13 2011 07:59 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:56 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post. You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened. If I said "Black people has a significantly worse record on going to jail than other people (e.g. Asian people) and is a large part of the US population. There for there's a decent chance if a crime happened. A black person did it before reading what happened" What would you say? just giving an example
If you were talking about a crime in the United States, you would be statistically correct. There is a decent chance. That's just basic logic and statistics from the premises given. It of course depends on the crime rates between races and the percentage of the minority race with respect to the total population. It's just math given the premises.
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On August 13 2011 07:47 brain_ wrote: The biggest joke is that this is all this abuse is for the sake of bullshit holistic medicine that does nothing. I mean, mistreating a stupid, domesticated animal shortly before you eat it is sort of understandable, although still undesirable. Take chickens, for example... I've owned chickens; they're stupid, fairly hopeless in the wild, and not very easy to sympathize with. And they taste great, because we've bred them for thousands of years to taste great. I don't really mind offing a few chickens for dinner. I won't lose sleep if they are in fear or slight pain for a few minutes in the process. And this is coming from someone who loves animals, has fostered dozens of abandoned kittens and found homes for them, and personally cared for every injured or ostracized chicken (one who is picked on by the rest of the chickens) I owned.
Surgically modifying and imprisoning a non-domesticated wild animal, and a higher mammal to boot, seems like a different story. This is pretty unforgivable, especially since the purpose is complete horse shit - ancient "medicine" that doesn't cure anything. Well the mass market meat industry certainly does not take your approach to raising animals. Oh no, that would be unprofitable. The treatment in animal sheds and slaughterhouses is comparable to whats happening to these bears.
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On August 13 2011 07:49 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote: "It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote: [quote] It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it.
The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense. Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion. So, the fact that you guys are improving animal rights makes you guys at the forefront of animal rights...In my earlier post, I mentioned that the article that you yourself posted mentioned China improving its animal rights laws.
Ok, how about you just go back to address my earlier post? That would just make things a lot easier
EDIT: And how does the data about people complaining about animal abuse make you somehow leagues better than China? Animal abuse is still going on frequently enough in Netherlands to land them near the top of that list. Youre ignoring that simple fact.
EDIT: oh and I love your quote:
If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints... pure conjecture based off of already biased preconceptions about China and hopeful thinking about your own country
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Man I'm glad I'm a vegetarian(almost vegan), I personally chose to not be part of the problem but rather the solution by not supporting inhumane treatment of animals in anyway (clothing,food etc.). It's not fair to an animal to be raised to die with no freedom but the cage they live in. Although it happens every where America is under constant surveillance by PETA so there is a source of small justice and they do bring awareness to people. China on the other hand doesn't necessarily have that so they get away with a lot or call it "scientific research"(I call it BS).
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On August 13 2011 08:03 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:59 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:56 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post. You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened. If I said "Black people has a significantly worse record on going to jail than other people (e.g. Asian people) and is a large part of the US population. There for there's a decent chance if a crime happened. A black person did it before reading what happened" What would you say? just giving an example If you were talking about a crime in the United States, you would be statistically correct. There is a decent chance. That's just basic logic and statistics from the premises given. It of course depends on the crime rates between races and the percentage of the minority race with respect to the total population. It's just math given the premises. It would be statistically correct but If I said that with a serious face I would be branded as a racist.
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On August 13 2011 08:10 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:03 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:59 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:56 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post. You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened. If I said "Black people has a significantly worse record on going to jail than other people (e.g. Asian people) and is a large part of the US population. There for there's a decent chance if a crime happened. A black person did it before reading what happened" What would you say? just giving an example If you were talking about a crime in the United States, you would be statistically correct. There is a decent chance. That's just basic logic and statistics from the premises given. It of course depends on the crime rates between races and the percentage of the minority race with respect to the total population. It's just math given the premises. It would be statistically correct but If I said that with a serious face I would be branded as a racist.
So you're saying that people shouldn't bring up the truth as part of an argument because of how society might respond to it? That's your rebuttal - that the truth might offend people, so, like, I guess it doesn't count?
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On August 13 2011 08:13 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 08:10 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 08:03 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:59 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:56 cz wrote:On August 13 2011 07:53 Misanthrophic13 wrote:On August 13 2011 07:52 sanya wrote:On August 13 2011 06:45 Urnhardt wrote: amazingly awesome behavior yet unbelievably sad at the same time. probably sound pretty disciminatory but i'm honestly not surprised this happened in china. doing horrible bullshit in the name of pseudoscience or bronze age myths sounds like every country on this planet to me not just china ... yours included This. Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy in his post. You are looking for 'ignorance', not hypocrisy. And he's not being too unaware - China has a significantly worse record on animal rights and abuse than a lot of other nations (e.g. Western nations), and it has 1/5 of the world's population. There's a decent chance this happened in China before reading where it happened. If I said "Black people has a significantly worse record on going to jail than other people (e.g. Asian people) and is a large part of the US population. There for there's a decent chance if a crime happened. A black person did it before reading what happened" What would you say? just giving an example If you were talking about a crime in the United States, you would be statistically correct. There is a decent chance. That's just basic logic and statistics from the premises given. It of course depends on the crime rates between races and the percentage of the minority race with respect to the total population. It's just math given the premises. It would be statistically correct but If I said that with a serious face I would be branded as a racist. So you're saying that people shouldn't bring up the truth as part of an argument because of how society might respond to it? That's your rebuttal - that the truth might offend people, so, like, I guess it doesn't count? I am saying it strongly discourages one from bringing up the statistical value of something that might invite unfavorable responses from the masses
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On August 12 2011 14:55 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Lololol. This kind of stuff happens everywhere. Everytime you eat KFC you're supporting animal cruelty!
Don't come into these threads and shed tears of ignorance. You're part of the problem.
First i dont eat KFC, i eat Popeyes.
Second, A bear is an Wild animal, while a chicken has been domesticated for many millenia. Why don't you tell your greatx100 grandfather that he should release his flock of chikens and starve? im sure hell understand that hes being cruel to animals.
Finally, i tend not to eat factory farmed meat anyway, because its unhealthy and as more and more ppl know this, demand will fall, and so will supply.
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On August 13 2011 07:50 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:48 Eknoid4 wrote:On August 12 2011 15:04 kaisen wrote:On August 12 2011 15:03 Pointillism wrote: If this did truly happen then it proves that the bear is conscious enough to know that she prefers death for her and her cub over the horrid conditions that they would be kept in for the rest of their lives. Which raises the question, how is it legal to hold bears like this? when they would literally rather kill themselves than go through it. Simple. This happened in China. Place where even basic human rights are sometimes ignored. basic human rights are sometimes ignored in every country There's a difference in magnitude. People get murdered in every country - that doesn't mean the murder rate is the same in every country. Then people shouldn't make such blanket antagonistic posts that don't actually mean anything.
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