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On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid.
On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:30 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:20 mustache wrote:On August 12 2011 23:15 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:12 Judicator wrote:
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Because there is a disparity in the treatment of the situation...dog fighting goes on through the US, very little action until shit went down with Vick, farm animals treated inhumanely, nobody says anything until their own personal health is at risk. Don't be selective with your memory.
Like I wonder how the response would be if this happened elsewhere and didn't involve a bear (like a chicken instead). To be certain, this story is absolutely sickening. But I do think that this "Chinese people are so inhumane" mentality has gotten the better of the entire Western world... you don't see sweeping generalizations about any other country's people when something unfortunate occurs there. On August 12 2011 23:14 Deadlyhazard wrote:
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A little bit, but that's the way it seems to me. China has a looooooooooooong way to go before I respect them as a country concerning both human and animal rights. Not everyone in China is like that I'm sure, but they have such a grouped mentality that it seems like the majority don't care. Otherwise, there would be protesting. There is. All over the internet. actually you always see sweeping generalizations about countries when something occurs there. Are you new to the web? or global news in general? Really now. Did we call out Americans in general as inhumane for the whole dogfighting incident? I think not. But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs.
Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty?
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this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc...
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On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc...
I am used to it, everytime something comes up it turns to something like this, really sucks to be Asian on a European website
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On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:30 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:20 mustache wrote:On August 12 2011 23:15 synapse wrote:
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To be certain, this story is absolutely sickening. But I do think that this "Chinese people are so inhumane" mentality has gotten the better of the entire Western world... you don't see sweeping generalizations about any other country's people when something unfortunate occurs there.
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There is. All over the internet. actually you always see sweeping generalizations about countries when something occurs there. Are you new to the web? or global news in general? Really now. Did we call out Americans in general as inhumane for the whole dogfighting incident? I think not. But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty?
Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud.
I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off.
http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.html
And a link bout the animal party in NL:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm
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On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc...
It always happens in animal rights/abuses threads. It brings out the racist/cultural warrior/raving hypocrite in many people.
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On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:30 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:20 mustache wrote:
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actually you always see sweeping generalizations about countries when something occurs there. Are you new to the web? or global news in general?
Really now. Did we call out Americans in general as inhumane for the whole dogfighting incident? I think not. But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm
What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do?
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On August 13 2011 07:31 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc... It always happens in animal rights/abuses threads. It brings out the racist/cultural warrior/raving hypocrite in many people.
*sigh
I guess I was hoping for TL to be a little different.
I am still interested to know if what that bear did was out of self awareness or not. IDK why I am so damn intrigued but I really wanna discuss about this
not about MY FUCKING COUNTRY IS BETTER THEN YOURS CAUSE BLARGITY BLARGITY BLARG BLARG
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On August 13 2011 07:35 heroyi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:31 andrewlt wrote:On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc... It always happens in animal rights/abuses threads. It brings out the racist/cultural warrior/raving hypocrite in many people. *sigh I guess I was hoping for TL to be a little different. I am still interested to know if what that bear did was out of self awareness or not. IDK why I am so damn intrigued but I really wanna discuss about this not about MY FUCKING COUNTRY IS BETTER THEN YOURS CAUSE BLARGITY BLARGITY BLARG BLARG
I wonder, I think it was out of self awareness. because that would be awesome
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On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:30 synapse wrote:
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Really now. Did we call out Americans in general as inhumane for the whole dogfighting incident? I think not. But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do?
Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point.
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On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:
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But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point.
You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense.
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On August 13 2011 07:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:35 heroyi wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 andrewlt wrote:On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc... It always happens in animal rights/abuses threads. It brings out the racist/cultural warrior/raving hypocrite in many people. *sigh I guess I was hoping for TL to be a little different. I am still interested to know if what that bear did was out of self awareness or not. IDK why I am so damn intrigued but I really wanna discuss about this not about MY FUCKING COUNTRY IS BETTER THEN YOURS CAUSE BLARGITY BLARGITY BLARG BLARG I wonder, I think it was out of self awareness. because that would be awesome
I would like to think so cause this is an interesting event that took place.
if the bear was indeed a sentient being, then a lot of question will be answered/born. And I am really intrigued in this possibility
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On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:32 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:30 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:20 mustache wrote:
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actually you always see sweeping generalizations about countries when something occurs there. Are you new to the web? or global news in general?
Really now. Did we call out Americans in general as inhumane for the whole dogfighting incident? I think not. But dog fighting is illegal and torturing bears is apparently not, so how are you gonna compare the 2? How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm
Ok....so heres another link with the exact same list:
http://www.dutchdailynews.com/animal-cruelty/
Oh and Im a little confused. You have a problem with censorship in China and the lack of google, but you just posted a link that you probably just googled up. I hope you realize that theres no way to prove or disprove that China blocks enough negative news on its own country to make it hard to search for info on them, given that we live outside of China and can only search online.
And even so, within that article that you yourself posted, heres an interesting quote:
"Many of these laws are being challenged and currently rewritten to allow for better treatment of animals in The People’s Republic. Animal cruelty reforms currently under consideration are aimed at protecting pets, laboratory animals, and how farm animals are treated, moved, and killed for food."
So what happened to no one is doing anything about it in China? You also ignored the fact that the US is right there with China in that list too, but you seem to direct all your hate towards China. You obviously have some heavy biases and stereotypes that you just absolutely don't want to give up. Why cant you just look at the facts and use some logical reasoning and see that China isnt so much worse compared to the rest of the world? Yea, this bear bile stuff is terrible. Yea theres other animal cruelty issues in China as well, but dont even pretend that some bullshit on the same level isnt going on in many different parts of the world.
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Leave the animal rights and treatment discussion out of this topic. Thanks. -Nyovne
But it's about the abuse of animals - what else is there to talk about?
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On August 13 2011 07:41 heroyi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:36 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:35 heroyi wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 andrewlt wrote:On August 13 2011 07:26 heroyi wrote:
this thread got from amazing story to just retard culture bashing crap fest :/
so is anyone willing to get back on the thread and see if what the bear did was with self awareness....or are we gonna keep bashing on America and China and etc... It always happens in animal rights/abuses threads. It brings out the racist/cultural warrior/raving hypocrite in many people. *sigh I guess I was hoping for TL to be a little different. I am still interested to know if what that bear did was out of self awareness or not. IDK why I am so damn intrigued but I really wanna discuss about this not about MY FUCKING COUNTRY IS BETTER THEN YOURS CAUSE BLARGITY BLARGITY BLARG BLARG I wonder, I think it was out of self awareness. because that would be awesome I would like to think so cause this is an interesting event that took place. if the bear was indeed a sentient being, then a lot of question will be answered/born. And I am really intrigued in this possibility
If we can prove the bear to be self-aware there can be alot of possibilties for the new ceiling of bestial intelligence. If they are self-aware there must be was to communicate with them, no matter how simple
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The biggest joke is that this is all this abuse is for the sake of bullshit holistic medicine that does nothing. I mean, mistreating a stupid, domesticated animal shortly before you eat it is sort of understandable, although still undesirable. Take chickens, for example... I've owned chickens; they're stupid, fairly hopeless in the wild, and not very easy to sympathize with. And they taste great, because we've bred them for thousands of years to taste great. I don't really mind offing a few chickens for dinner. I won't lose sleep if they are in fear or slight pain for a few minutes in the process. And this is coming from someone who loves animals, has fostered dozens of abandoned kittens and found homes for them, and personally cared for every injured or ostracized chicken (one who is picked on by the rest of the chickens) I owned.
Surgically modifying and imprisoning a non-domesticated wild animal, and a higher mammal to boot, seems like a different story. This is pretty unforgivable, especially since the purpose is complete horse shit - ancient "medicine" that doesn't cure anything.
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On August 12 2011 15:04 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:03 Pointillism wrote:
If this did truly happen then it proves that the bear is conscious enough to know that she prefers death for her and her cub over the horrid conditions that they would be kept in for the rest of their lives. Which raises the question, how is it legal to hold bears like this? when they would literally rather kill themselves than go through it. Simple. This happened in China. Place where even basic human rights are sometimes ignored.
basic human rights are sometimes ignored in every country
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who freaking cares? let's take care of humanity before we start saving all the bears/other animals. honestly, I am sick to death of all the animal rights people. do they realize that there are humans suffering terrible shit all over the world? how about them?
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On August 13 2011 07:39 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 07:37 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:31 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:29 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:12 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:10 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 07:09 Blasterion wrote:On August 13 2011 07:05 Technique wrote:On August 13 2011 06:15 Blasterion wrote:
"It always feels like fighting out of turf when the Europeans say something about Asia, mind it be China. Korea, North South, or Japan, they always got shit to bitch about, Like thinking they're better or something or give the "lol communist remark." (You all know it's true) Just think of it as standard European junk people throw at people because they can. I'll try to ignore at disregard them from now on."
Yes this is generalizing, the some people always post about other people on the threads
Just giving an example you know Well we are better when it comes to animal rights, so we don't need to ''act'' like we are... Problem is that in Netherlands for example we are improving animal rights through the animal party (first in the world) step by step... but in China animal rights are basically non existent and never improve either... no1 gives a fuck and the ones that do don't do anything bout it. But sure stick your head in the sand. But right now you're worse. and with evidence too. Problem? No we are not... what are you talking bout? Ps stop trolling with your ''problem?''... it only makes you look even more stupid. On August 13 2011 06:54 Supamang wrote:On August 12 2011 23:46 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:45 synapse wrote:On August 12 2011 23:38 Technique wrote:On August 12 2011 23:35 synapse wrote:
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How does legality change how inhumane an action is? It means it's not condoned by the majority and it's a criminal action that can then be punished... getting at least some kind of justice and stop the people who do it. The action itself is just as inhumane of course. So you are assuming that because bear torture is not illegal in China, then most Chinese people must be okay with it? Well feel free to link me to all the protests there have been in China against animal cruelty? I'm not saying every1 is ''okay'' with it, i'm saying no1 seems to do anything about it. Heres a friendly repost of a Dutch list of worst countries for animal cruelty. http://www.dierenhulp.nl/html/nl/nieuws.php?id=1303135033Oh dear, looks like your Netherlands are ahead of China in terms of animal cruelty! Care to present your case? EDIT: I came into this thread with the exact same stereotypes of China having awful animal cruelty problems. I did some research and now have come to the obvious conclusion that this shit goes on everywhere, but us Westerners are just so ready to eat up any negative hype about China to feed our already heavily biased beliefs. Do you have the balls to bash my country even though it seems from this post your country ranks higher interms of animal cruelty? Do you even know what that article is about? It's complaints coming through animal vets, busting people that trade animals through internet and the hunting license for the royal family etc... we act on it... that's the difference... besides anything to do with statistics... we are honest... in China everything is censored and true data that reflects bad on them won't come out... Can't even have google in China for crying out loud. I think this is a better link for what you where trying to spin off. http://answers.yourdictionary.com/answers/animal-life/countries-most-animal-cruelty-cases.htmlAnd a link bout the animal party in NL: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6198676.stm What does that shit have anything to do with this thread? You seem to be bashing my country for the sake of bashing it. What reason do you have to do nothing but to kick dirt on the name of my nation. Do you Jesuits have nothing better to do? Well i haven't said anything that is not true and was just replying to your nonsense at this point. You reply to animal rights with censorship tell me that makes sense.
Because you quoted a dutch article that had a collected data of people putting in complaints about animal abuse... If you had the whole bear/tiger thing in Netherlands, the organisations taking these type of phone calls (which you probably don't even have in China) wouldn't have enough employees to take in all the complaints...
Lists like that are favorable here in the Netherlands for getting more support for improving animal rights, you can easily twist it either way... fact is we are at the forefront of animal rights and China's animal rights are basically still non existent... and that's not an opinion.
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On August 13 2011 07:48 Eknoid4 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:04 kaisen wrote:On August 12 2011 15:03 Pointillism wrote:
If this did truly happen then it proves that the bear is conscious enough to know that she prefers death for her and her cub over the horrid conditions that they would be kept in for the rest of their lives. Which raises the question, how is it legal to hold bears like this? when they would literally rather kill themselves than go through it. Simple. This happened in China. Place where even basic human rights are sometimes ignored. basic human rights are sometimes ignored in every country
There's a difference in magnitude. People get murdered in every country - that doesn't mean the murder rate is the same in every country.
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