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archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
October 28 2011 19:42 GMT
#321
when can we get results from the anonymous buyer? tonight/morrow?
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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 28 2011 19:44 GMT
#322
If this is indeed a scam, then the purchasing company deserves it. With the amount of coverage and exposure this got from both the scientific & non-scientific community, it would've been foolish of the buyer(s) not to hire independant checkers to verify what they're purchasing. Yes they might not know the details of how it works, but they should at least be able to check that a certain amount of energy is being produced from a certain amount of materials. I still cannot fathom how this can be a scam though. It's so out in the open.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 19:49:03
October 28 2011 19:48 GMT
#323
On October 29 2011 04:44 Telcontar wrote:
If this is indeed a scam, then the purchasing company deserves it. With the amount of coverage and exposure this got from both the scientific & non-scientific community, it would've been foolish of the buyer(s) not to hire independant checkers to verify what they're purchasing. Yes they might not know the details of how it works, but they should at least be able to check that a certain amount of energy is being produced from a certain amount of materials. I still cannot fathom how this can be a scam though. It's so out in the open.


Lets assume that this is pretty fucking expensive. Then lets assume that this company obviously has a bunch of money. Then lets assume that this company was understandably cautious.

Considering there are probably multiple people in this company who are directly overseeing this whole negotiation/purchase, I am going to assume they had some sort of 3rd party to help verify their claims and whatnot. If this company bought it, I think it might be about time to be happy.

I'm just thinking that it would take a huge lapse of judgement from a lot of people to somehow spend that much money on a fake. When is it time to start considering this might be the real deal? Don't we expect that such a feat will be accomplished at some point? I realize you agree with what I am saying, I am just expanding on your thoughts.

I for one am very optimistic.
spiz
Profile Joined June 2010
United States32 Posts
October 28 2011 19:49 GMT
#324
If it does work, hopefully it wasn't bought by someone with a vetted interest in current energy sources who would find it advantageous if this device never becomes available to public.

It is exciting though.
They say there is a thin line between genius and insanity; my goal is to erase this line
d9mmdi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany179 Posts
October 28 2011 19:51 GMT
#325
would be very interesting in watching that live stream the edited op speaks of, is there a mailing list or something of that sort?
You gotta step over dead bodies - Momma Plott
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 28 2011 20:02 GMT
#326
Hope this is true, we need this so bad.
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 28 2011 20:08 GMT
#327
18:06 GMT
From PESWiki: Q & A just finished; reading of results; 470 kW maintained continuously during self-sustain; customer satisfied; sale made; more later.
– SilverThunder 11:07, 28 October 2011 (PDT)

saw this on e-catworld.com

what?? :D
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Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 20:10:13
October 28 2011 20:08 GMT
#328
On October 29 2011 04:51 d9mmdi wrote:
would be very interesting in watching that live stream the edited op speaks of, is there a mailing list or something of that sort?


Apologies, the live stream thing was outdated info. Expect coverage very soon though, possibly still today.

Ny Teknik is certain to report as soon as possible:
http://www.nyteknik.se/taggar/?tag=Cold Fusion

There should also be other reports coming up since the Associate Press has acquired rights to today's event and the plant was apparently sold. Associate Press services 5000 radio and TV channels around the globe.

The Italian magazine Focus was also present.

A, in my opinion, fair discussion and introduction to the whole story so far can be found here http://ecatnews.com/?p=84 and here http://ecatnews.com/?p=174 (it's a primer in two parts, read the first link first)
rajssten
Profile Joined July 2010
Ethiopia34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:25:36
October 28 2011 21:46 GMT
#329
there is first video


EDIT: "Its just an excerpt from Rossi's report. Hope to have a story up at PESN by 1 am Italy {+1GMT}" PESNetwork@Twitter

EDIT2:
A short video of the test of the one megawatt plant.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 22:13:08
October 28 2011 22:06 GMT
#330
LOL good ol Andrea Rossi is back! And of course he has some new amazing gadget that will revolutionize everything! I can't wait to see what kind of crap he is going to trick people into this time.

EDIT: and I'm ready eat my words if it actually proves to be something of value, I highly doubt it though.

EDIT: Response to the so called experiment and report that "proved" that it worked according to some people with scientific knowledge: Still no evidence for nuclear reactions(copy and paste)

"...1. Your subtitle, or summary statement, is misleading. Two of the three analysts said that the data suggest excess energy is produced, by which is meant nothing more than the 100-kg ecat produced heat. But "anomalous heat" usually means heat that can't be accounted for by chemical means. Since the contents of the ecat was only superficially examined, there is no evidence at all that the heat produced, if any, comes from nuclear reactions.


2. So, Rossi can't even convince 2 electrical engineers and 1 software engineer (who is a LENR advocate). Where are the detailed analyses from people with advanced degrees in physics, and in particular with expertise in fluid flow and calorimetry? Wasn't that the idea of this demonstration, and all the high level physicists that were to be present?

3. The thermocouple placement is such an obvious shortcoming, that detailed analyses seem like wasted effort, when there is nothing stopping Rossi from doing it with more appropriate placement of the thermocouples. Moreover, the unnecessarily high flow rate in the secondary flow results in a temperature difference only a little larger than the inexplicably erratic temperature fluctuations (probably also because of the poor placement of the probes). It seems Rossi is deliberately making interpretation difficult, to prolong the uncertainty.

4. One thing that is clear from this demonstration, that has not been mentioned by ny teknik, is that although this is a later model ecat, that is both larger and heavier than previous ecats, the claims are much more modest than in previous public tests. In January, Rossi used a 30 kg device, and he claimed 12 kW, and a gain of something like 20. The device was also said to be capable of operating (dangerously) without input. In the Oct 6 test, the device is 100 kg, and the claimed output is only 3 or 4 kW, giving a claimed power density 10 times lower. The overall gain, by the most optimistic estimates is on the order of 6.

So, by finally persuading Rossi not to depend on a controversial phase change to demonstrate energy output, the claimed performance has been drastically reduced. Besides the fact that the more modest claim does not require nuclear reactions to explain it (even if valid), this should also be seriously damaging to Rossi's credibility, since it suggests that the previous steam tests were grossly mis-analyzed."
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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 23:32:16
October 28 2011 23:31 GMT
#331
I'm disappointed in his "report" he just released. It is here for anyone interested. (the link by Mr. "Caps Lock" Rossi)

The fact the customer still isn't identified is dumb. The fact he sold it to "someone" doesn't help anything.
Initiative
Profile Joined July 2011
United States131 Posts
October 28 2011 23:35 GMT
#332
Why is the buyer remaining anonymous? What exactly is there to hide?

This sounds real fishy.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
October 28 2011 23:53 GMT
#333
On October 29 2011 08:35 Initiative wrote:
Why is the buyer remaining anonymous? What exactly is there to hide?

This sounds real fishy.

He's hiding because he doesn't want to be the one in this story: "who's more foolish, the fool, or the one to follow the fool?"
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
Desti
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany138 Posts
October 29 2011 03:59 GMT
#334
Again, why was no observer allowed to use his own measuring instruments?
Why were the heat exchangers hidden behind high walls, so no one could control their temperature?
Why was the "test" only running 3 hours and not for several days?
Perdac Curall
Profile Joined June 2011
242 Posts
October 29 2011 04:10 GMT
#335
On October 29 2011 07:06 Integra wrote:
LOL good ol Andrea Rossi is back! And of course he has some new amazing gadget that will revolutionize everything! I can't wait to see what kind of crap he is going to trick people into this time.


What other scams has Rossi pulled? I have never heard of any of them.
If a Black Death could spread throughout the world once in every generation, survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full. The state of affairs might be unpleasant, but what of it? -Sith Lord Bertrand Russell
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 29 2011 04:17 GMT
#336
On October 29 2011 13:10 Perdac Curall wrote:
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On October 29 2011 07:06 Integra wrote:
LOL good ol Andrea Rossi is back! And of course he has some new amazing gadget that will revolutionize everything! I can't wait to see what kind of crap he is going to trick people into this time.


What other scams has Rossi pulled? I have never heard of any of them.

I doubt there has been a single one. Otherwise everybody would know about it, and nobody would care about this in the slightest. He's under some pretty heavy scrutiny.

han_han
Profile Joined October 2010
United States205 Posts
October 29 2011 06:17 GMT
#337
I honestly don't think this guy is for real. Anyone with a real breakthrough like this would have shown everyone that his shit is genuine, then everyone would want a piece of his technology and he'd be getting tons of offers.

Honestly, if you really had something that worked, you wouldn't black box it and give everyone room to doubt you.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
October 29 2011 06:26 GMT
#338
On October 29 2011 15:17 han_han wrote:
I honestly don't think this guy is for real. Anyone with a real breakthrough like this would have shown everyone that his shit is genuine, then everyone would want a piece of his technology and he'd be getting tons of offers.

Honestly, if you really had something that worked, you wouldn't black box it and give everyone room to doubt you.


He's still waiting on a patent. He doesn't want to release the technology to the world and then have everyone steal it and patent it before he could. It's a smart move on his part.
On my way...
Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 08:09:24
October 29 2011 07:35 GMT
#339
Good morning

Yesterday's test was very significant, even if it was too short for us internet critics to rule out a possible deception. That is not important however - what matters is that the scientific advisers of the customer were convinced that it worked. The test was not made for us, but for them, and frankly, they are certainly in a better position to judge whether it works or not.

So the outcome of this is:
Rossi will get the 500k Euro necessary to start independent testing at the University of Bologna (or run away laughing in the unlikely chance that he did somehow pull off a fraud)

Either way we will find out.

Also, as usual the overt skeptics are faster than those carefully analyzing the situation - more info and opinions will come out in the next days
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1686 Posts
October 29 2011 08:46 GMT
#340
500k euro doesn't sound really that ridiculous, I would think he'd be able to get off with more if he was really trying his best to scam someone.

Here's to hoping that his independent testing produces something.
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